Creationist Rape Apologetics with John Mackay.

[the_ignored]

Here you go:

In a conversation about the Bible after the lecture, a student pointed out that the Bible condones rape in the following passage from Numbers 31:

“17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that has known man by lying with him. 18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.”

Mackay argued that this is not rape, because the girls were forced to enter a “legitimate Jewish marriage” first (after having their family murdered by their soon-to-be husbands), and obviously you can’t rape your own wife. Not only is it not rape, but Mackay believes this is apparently not even immoral for God to command this and for the Israelites to carry it out.

And it goes on, with a link to MacKay's website (see article) and more:

"This goes further than an opinion about the Bible. Mackay sincerely believes that even today, rape within marriage is a contradiction, and that forced marriage can be legitimate. The idea that rape is wrong is apparently a recent secular invention."

They quote MacKay here:

“The modern atheist mind wants to use modern their [sic] definition of rape as an absolute, such that a woman both before and after marriage is an autonomous being who has rights to resist any man including the man she married, and if he insists on sex, then that is rape and the male is legally guilty of a crime.”"

Uh, aren't those people the ones who pretend to have "absolute morality"?

[Ghoti]

That last sentence there? Yeah, that's how the world works. People of all ages, genders, marital statuses, etc have the right to refuse sex (whether it be with their spouse, a stranger, their favorite pornstar, whatever) and this douchebag acts like that's a bad thing.
And people say patriarchy isn't real. Fucking hell.

[ironbite]

*head desks, a lot*

Ironbite-think I may have broken something.

[JohnE]

He seriously said that it's wrong to consider a married woman an autonomous being? Seriously?!

[Witchyjoshy]

*head desks, a lot*

Ironbite-think I may have broken something.

What's to break?

Joking aside, this guy deserves to be put on a few watch lists.  I wouldn't be surprised if he thinks spousal abuse is not only okay, but a man's solemn duty.

[Random Gal]

“The modern atheist mind wants to use modern their [sic] definition of rape as an absolute, such that a woman both before and after marriage is an autonomous being who has rights to resist any man including the man she married, and if he insists on sex, then that is rape and the male is legally guilty of a crime.”"

Uh, aren't those people the ones who pretend to have "absolute morality"?

Dear John MacKay:

[Witchyjoshy]

Hey now, that's insulting to douchebags.

[Barbarella]

He seriously said that it's wrong to consider a married woman an autonomous being? Seriously?!

Yeah, that part made me facepalm so hard that my hand is now inside my cranial cavity!

At least he's honest, he believes human females of any age are not autonomous human beings. He needs a baseball bat to the nuts....HARD!

[Ultimate Paragon]

He seriously said that it's wrong to consider a married woman an autonomous being? Seriously?!

Yeah, that part made me facepalm so hard that my hand is now inside my cranial cavity!

At least he's honest, he believes human females of any age are not autonomous human beings. He needs a baseball bat to the nuts....HARD!

Preferably done by a woman.

[R. U. Sirius]

Nah...too merciful, and phallic. Make it a bear trap.

[Raymond Dullaghy]

What is it with fundies and rape? It's as if you're not a real fundie if you haven't advocated rape/domestic abuse at least once. At this point, I've heard so much of their crap that I fear I'm becoming desensitized to this evil.

[Witchyjoshy]

What is it with fundies and rape? It's as if you're not a real fundie if you haven't advocated rape/domestic abuse at least once. At this point, I've heard so much of their crap that I fear I'm becoming desensitized to this evil.

As long as you can still recognize it as evil, you're healthy.

Meanwhile, I'm going to be here cringing in a corner because of the mental imagery of a bear trap doing its work.

[ironbite]

What is it with fundies and rape? It's as if you're not a real fundie if you haven't advocated rape/domestic abuse at least once. At this point, I've heard so much of their crap that I fear I'm becoming desensitized to this evil.

Because it's something that can be done to control women.  Think about how most, and I do mean most, rape victims act after a rape.  Scared, confused, shattered.  You can take a super-strong, independent woman who don't need no man and break her down to a scared fawn of a woman and then swoop in to be her protector, her controller, her savior.  That's a power trip.

Ironbite-and a lot of fundies get off on power trips.

[Barbarella]

He seriously said that it's wrong to consider a married woman an autonomous being? Seriously?!

Yeah, that part made me facepalm so hard that my hand is now inside my cranial cavity!

At least he's honest, he believes human females of any age are not autonomous human beings. He needs a baseball bat to the nuts....HARD!

Preferably done by a woman.

YEAH!

[guizonde]

He seriously said that it's wrong to consider a married woman an autonomous being? Seriously?!

Yeah, that part made me facepalm so hard that my hand is now inside my cranial cavity!

At least he's honest, he believes human females of any age are not autonomous human beings. He needs a baseball bat to the nuts....HARD!

Preferably done by a woman.

YEAH!

i'd go with getting flayed alive. in public. by dominatrixes. while men laugh. twice, but the second time by male dom's while women laugh.