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Title: 8 Values (i.e. yet another political ideology quiz)
Post by: Art Vandelay on April 26, 2017, 10:47:52 am
So apparently 8 Values (https://8values.github.io/), one of those political quizzes (as I already mentioned), has been making the rounds on the interwebs. It's a fun way to kill a few moments, so why not?

Anyway, take the quiz, share your results and discuss. I'm sure you're all familiar with how this stuff works. As for my fine self, I am apparently a social liberal overall, as you can see. Make of that what you will.

So yeah. Enjoy.
Title: Re: 8 Values (i.e. yet another political ideology quiz)
Post by: dpareja on April 26, 2017, 10:56:27 am
I'm more extreme than you, Art.
Title: Re: 8 Values (i.e. yet another political ideology quiz)
Post by: Svata on April 26, 2017, 10:58:08 am
Huh. I seem to be a bit extreme. Maybe I should reconsider my opinions and temper them accordingly.
Title: Re: 8 Values (i.e. yet another political ideology quiz)
Post by: dpareja on April 26, 2017, 11:01:19 am
Huh. I seem to be a bit extreme. Maybe I should reconsider my opinions and temper them accordingly.

Being extreme isn't necessarily a bad thing.
Title: Re: 8 Values (i.e. yet another political ideology quiz)
Post by: Art Vandelay on April 26, 2017, 11:06:21 am
Yeah, by and large, I'd be pretty centrist with only the slightest of leanings one way or the other if not for my big old "religion and everything it stands for can fuck right off" streak padding out my progressive rating.
Title: Re: 8 Values (i.e. yet another political ideology quiz)
Post by: Svata on April 26, 2017, 11:18:22 am
Huh. I seem to be a bit extreme. Maybe I should reconsider my opinions and temper them accordingly.

Being extreme isn't necessarily a bad thing.


Of course it is. You never hear about the people who are moderates causing terrible things to happen, only those who take ideologies too far or are too extreme about things. Everything should be done in moderation, and wanting more than that will invariably end in disaster.
Title: Re: 8 Values (i.e. yet another political ideology quiz)
Post by: dpareja on April 26, 2017, 11:42:13 am
Huh. I seem to be a bit extreme. Maybe I should reconsider my opinions and temper them accordingly.

Being extreme isn't necessarily a bad thing.


Of course it is. You never hear about the people who are moderates causing terrible things to happen, only those who take ideologies too far or are too extreme about things. Everything should be done in moderation, and wanting more than that will invariably end in disaster.

Done in moderation. That doesn't mean your true views have to be moderate.
Title: Re: 8 Values (i.e. yet another political ideology quiz)
Post by: SCarpelan on April 26, 2017, 11:43:30 am
Huh. I seem to be a bit extreme. Maybe I should reconsider my opinions and temper them accordingly.

Being extreme isn't necessarily a bad thing.


Of course it is. You never hear about the people who are moderates causing terrible things to happen, only those who take ideologies too far or are too extreme about things. Everything should be done in moderation, and wanting more than that will invariably end in disaster.

Abolition.
Title: Re: 8 Values (i.e. yet another political ideology quiz)
Post by: Svata on April 26, 2017, 12:00:41 pm

Done in moderation. That doesn't mean your true views have to be moderate.



Abolition.


Fair enough. Thanks.
Title: Re: 8 Values (i.e. yet another political ideology quiz)
Post by: RavynousHunter on April 26, 2017, 12:37:18 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/prkihnd.png)

In the words of the Gunny: "...Well, no shit."
Title: Re: 8 Values (i.e. yet another political ideology quiz)
Post by: dpareja on April 26, 2017, 12:40:13 pm

Done in moderation. That doesn't mean your true views have to be moderate.



Abolition.


Fair enough. Thanks.

Well, at the same time, sometimes you have to push for policies that are extreme relative to the status quo, but only because the status quo is itself extreme...

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We have also come to this hallowed spot to remind America of the fierce urgency of Now. This is no time to engage in the luxury of cooling off or to take the tranquilizing drug of gradualism. Now is the time to make real the promises of democracy.

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First, I must confess that over the last few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of goodwill is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.

(Both quotes from Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., the first from his "I Have a Dream" speech, the second from "Letter from a Birmingham Jail.")
Title: Re: 8 Values (i.e. yet another political ideology quiz)
Post by: Eiki-mun on April 26, 2017, 12:46:15 pm
Here's my scores:

(http://i.imgur.com/WGisIS6.png)

It's a little extreme, but I think I'm fine, honestly.

Note:

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: 8 Values (i.e. yet another political ideology quiz)
Post by: Zygarde on April 26, 2017, 03:40:28 pm
Yeah this is no surprise to me,  still dislike being called a Libertarian considering the assholes I know who claim that but whatever.
Title: Re: 8 Values (i.e. yet another political ideology quiz)
Post by: dpareja on April 26, 2017, 04:04:56 pm
Yeah this is no surprise to me,  still dislike being called a Libertarian considering the assholes I know who claim that but whatever.

Social libertarian, not economic. ("I don't give a shit what people do, but I don't trust corporations.")

Also, I posted this on another forum (which has plenty of conservatives), and one of them got "Neo-Liberalism."

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I had to look it up, and the term has been redefined so many times over the years, I'm not sure if I agree with it as applied to me or not.

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Let me explain what you are... you're a Liberal, but you aspire to be a rich, cocksucker Republican.
Title: Re: 8 Values (i.e. yet another political ideology quiz)
Post by: Sigmaleph on April 26, 2017, 07:49:49 pm
I find it hilarious that 'libertarian socialism' and 'social libertarianism' are apparently different ideologies

(http://i.imgur.com/iCc3b8V.png)
Title: Re: 8 Values (i.e. yet another political ideology quiz)
Post by: davedan on April 26, 2017, 07:58:13 pm
I think its simply a matter of degree and appears to be determined by the economic axis, probably actually is dependent on whether you think the means of production should be owned by the workers.
Title: Re: 8 Values (i.e. yet another political ideology quiz)
Post by: dpareja on April 26, 2017, 07:58:36 pm
I find it hilarious that 'libertarian socialism' and 'social libertarianism' are apparently different ideologies

(http://i.imgur.com/iCc3b8V.png)

It's the difference in economic views.
Title: Re: 8 Values (i.e. yet another political ideology quiz)
Post by: Sigmaleph on April 26, 2017, 09:50:55 pm
I know. I'm apparently way centrist compared to y'all on economic issues

I also don't object to being called a libertarian, so.
Title: Re: 8 Values (i.e. yet another political ideology quiz)
Post by: RavynousHunter on April 26, 2017, 10:14:13 pm
Straight up commie, yo.
Title: Re: 8 Values (i.e. yet another political ideology quiz)
Post by: dpareja on April 26, 2017, 10:25:27 pm
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This test is like any personality test: the questions don't ask the right things, and the answers are too vague to be meaningful. Neither are a meaningful replacement for just talking to someone for 5 minutes.

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You just scored 0% for Fun.

Overall: stick in the mud.
Title: Re: 8 Values (i.e. yet another political ideology quiz)
Post by: davedan on April 26, 2017, 10:38:39 pm
Is that neo-liberal guy?
Title: Re: 8 Values (i.e. yet another political ideology quiz)
Post by: dpareja on April 26, 2017, 10:41:43 pm
Is that neo-liberal guy?

No.
Title: Re: 8 Values (i.e. yet another political ideology quiz)
Post by: The_Queen on April 26, 2017, 11:40:44 pm
Oh, I sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo want to see Lana's scores; I suspect they mirror Eiki-munn's.
Title: Re: 8 Values (i.e. yet another political ideology quiz)
Post by: davedan on April 26, 2017, 11:46:53 pm
You have to actually have an ideology to be a fascist.
Title: Re: 8 Values (i.e. yet another political ideology quiz)
Post by: Svata on April 26, 2017, 11:55:28 pm
I mean, say what you want about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos.
Title: Re: 8 Values (i.e. yet another political ideology quiz)
Post by: The_Queen on April 27, 2017, 12:08:19 am
I mean, say what you want about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos.

It's about ethos in genocidal journalism.
Title: Re: 8 Values (i.e. yet another political ideology quiz)
Post by: davedan on April 27, 2017, 01:14:50 am
I wasn't suggesting that Para-anal was an nihilist so much as they don't actually hold any views.
Title: Re: 8 Values (i.e. yet another political ideology quiz)
Post by: Svata on April 27, 2017, 02:11:58 am
I figured you weren't, but the reference was too good and too easy to pass up on.
Title: Re: 8 Values (i.e. yet another political ideology quiz)
Post by: davedan on April 27, 2017, 02:18:37 am
Oh I agree, the quote was too good to pass up I just wanted to be clear.
Title: Re: 8 Values (i.e. yet another political ideology quiz)
Post by: SomeApe on April 27, 2017, 05:37:38 am
Seems we're all not that different. But then, the test only scratches the surface.
I hope it works with the attachment from my phone.
Title: Re: 8 Values (i.e. yet another political ideology quiz)
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on May 01, 2017, 10:42:07 pm
Here are my results. thought it would be a little different, but I'd say its the right ballpark.
Title: Re: 8 Values (i.e. yet another political ideology quiz)
Post by: Svata on May 02, 2017, 01:03:11 am
Huh. They changed the second axis.
Title: Re: 8 Values (i.e. yet another political ideology quiz)
Post by: dpareja on May 02, 2017, 01:38:17 am
Huh. They changed the second axis.

And added ten more questions.

Title: Re: 8 Values (i.e. yet another political ideology quiz)
Post by: Svata on May 02, 2017, 02:05:04 am
Seems similar to last time.
Title: Re: 8 Values (i.e. yet another political ideology quiz)
Post by: Art Vandelay on May 02, 2017, 03:16:19 am
Huh, so they did. Didn't make a huge amount of difference to my results.
Title: Re: 8 Values (i.e. yet another political ideology quiz)
Post by: Zygarde on May 02, 2017, 01:45:20 pm
Not much of a difference to me, though I'm now more of a revolutionary than I used to be.
Title: Re: 8 Values (i.e. yet another political ideology quiz)
Post by: TheContrarian on May 19, 2017, 06:08:56 pm
(http://i68.tinypic.com/2jg8exg.png)

I guess, given that 98% of the horseshoe is now considered to be "facists who should be smacked with a bike lock" this makes me literally hitler or something?
Title: Re: 8 Values (i.e. yet another political ideology quiz)
Post by: Eiki-mun on May 20, 2017, 06:36:36 pm
(http://i68.tinypic.com/2jg8exg.png)

I guess, given that 98% of the horseshoe is now considered to be "facists who should be smacked with a bike lock" this makes me literally hitler or something?

Snarky comments aside, that actually looks pretty reasonable to me.
Title: Re: 8 Values (i.e. yet another political ideology quiz)
Post by: dpareja on May 20, 2017, 06:45:11 pm
One criticism I've seen of it is that it assumes that there are certain positions only people on one end of a spectrum hold; for instance, it assumes that progressivism and distrust of corporations are directly correlated, when in fact plenty of conservatives are mightily distrustful of corporations.
Title: Re: 8 Values (i.e. yet another political ideology quiz)
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on May 26, 2017, 05:41:02 am
One criticism I've seen of it is that it assumes that there are certain positions only people on one end of a spectrum hold; for instance, it assumes that progressivism and distrust of corporations are directly correlated, when in fact plenty of conservatives are mightily distrustful of corporations.

Wasn't this same issue also present in that 'classic' Political Compass test?
Title: Re: 8 Values (i.e. yet another political ideology quiz)
Post by: Askold on May 26, 2017, 06:03:35 am
The classic political compass was also built for people in USA and many of the questions there (and some in this one) simply do not match politics in other countries. The way religous or gun related questions are phrased for example.
Title: Re: 8 Values (i.e. yet another political ideology quiz)
Post by: Sigmaleph on May 26, 2017, 06:02:16 pm
Yeah. Basically american left and right are coalitions, not actually positions based on coherent ideology (the hell does Christianity have to do with capitalism, for instance), and elsewhere lines will be drawn differently.

Title: Re: 8 Values (i.e. yet another political ideology quiz)
Post by: Askold on May 27, 2017, 12:43:32 am
"Do you support GUN CONTROL or do you accept that the 2nd amendment is a universal right created by GOD ALMIGHTY" ...Well gee, I think the 2nd amendment in Finnish constitution has something to do with building stuff on your own property and I think there's like 3 different questions mixed into this one, but because I support some sort of regulation of firearms this random test on the internet has now labeled me as a communist and atheist.

...That's not too much of an exaggeration with some of these tests.
Title: Re: 8 Values (i.e. yet another political ideology quiz)
Post by: Art Vandelay on May 27, 2017, 02:42:18 am
I do recall the gun control question is "Gun ownership should be prohibited for those without a valid reason". In other words, "gun ownership should be prohibited to those who you think should be prohibited from owning guns". Stellar wording there, guys.
Title: Re: 8 Values (i.e. yet another political ideology quiz)
Post by: Sigmaleph on May 27, 2017, 05:43:19 pm
"Gun ownership should be prohibited for those without a valid reason" implies that you need a reason, which is not generally something we demand of people before we let them own things.
Title: Re: 8 Values (i.e. yet another political ideology quiz)
Post by: dpareja on May 27, 2017, 06:02:17 pm
"Gun ownership should be prohibited for those without a valid reason" implies that you need a reason, which is not generally something we demand of people before we let them own things.

Most things don't make it easy to deliberately or accidentally kill people.
Title: Re: 8 Values (i.e. yet another political ideology quiz)
Post by: RavynousHunter on May 27, 2017, 07:21:19 pm
Yeaaah...I mean, one needs a license to fish in America, and the worst thing not related to the various nasty things that can be done by fish hooks that can happen to you whilst fishing is setting yourself up for a deep-vein thrombosis.
Title: Re: 8 Values (i.e. yet another political ideology quiz)
Post by: Art Vandelay on May 27, 2017, 10:19:50 pm
"Gun ownership should be prohibited for those without a valid reason" implies that you need a reason, which is not generally something we demand of people before we let them own things.
I would disagree. For most things, we simply agree that "I want it" is a perfectly valid reason.
Title: Re: 8 Values (i.e. yet another political ideology quiz)
Post by: Sigmaleph on May 27, 2017, 10:46:24 pm
"Gun ownership should be prohibited for those without a valid reason" implies that you need a reason, which is not generally something we demand of people before we let them own things.

Most things don't make it easy to deliberately or accidentally kill people.


yes, I know? I'm not arguing against gun control, I'm saying that the sentence quoted by Art is meaningful and not a tautology

I would disagree. For most things, we simply agree that "I want it" is a perfectly valid reason.

I don't think people should not be allowed to buy ordinary things if they don't want them, either. Owning most things does not have a 'check the validity of reasons' step.

But this is kind of a tangent, the real reason that question is there is because people are more likely to say yes if they are in favour of gun control, independently of what you could precisely parse the phrasing to mean.
Title: Re: 8 Values (i.e. yet another political ideology quiz)
Post by: Askold on May 28, 2017, 01:19:29 am
"Gun ownership should be prohibited for those without a valid reason" implies that you need a reason, which is not generally something we demand of people before we let them own things.

But it is not an uncommon thing with firearm laws. In Finland you need to state what you plan to do with your gun. But as "hunt things that are legal to hunt with it" used to be the only answer needed it was pretty much a formality. Nowadays you also have to prove that you have been training for 2 years before buying your own gun. (Don't know people who can borrow you guns? Don't have a firing range nearby? Well, sucks to be you, you aren't getting a gun.)

On the other hand, proof of being a safe gun owner would be a good thing to have as a requirement. We demand drivers license from people before we let them drive a car and something similar would go a long way towards reducing accidental firearm injuries (and I assume it would help reduce suicide-by gun at least among people who don't have a gun yet.)
Title: Re: 8 Values (i.e. yet another political ideology quiz)
Post by: Katsuro on May 29, 2017, 05:09:43 am
I got Libertarian Socialism and to be honest I had to look that up...

...and I disagree.   The wikipedia page I don't think describes me at all.  But for a lot of those questions my real answers would be "Err I never really thought about it, mate..." and/or "Well that depends..." which obviously aren't options.  That might have affected my score.