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Re: The Pirate Bay sunk in the UK
« Reply #75 on: May 05, 2012, 09:14:41 am »
Yes, I do know that. I've known that for years. What does that have anything to do with my post?

From a legal standpoint, streaming a copyrighted video and downloading it are the same thing. You seem to think that somehow, streaming a copyrighted song from YouTube without permission of the copyright holder is legal while downloading it without permission of the copyright holder is not legal.

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I've all ready agreed with this.


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Thanks for agreeing with me. You are right, it's not illegal. That's exactly what I was saying.

I have no idea what point you were trying to make here.

I think you might be confused. You should probably go back and re-read my post until you fully understand what I was saying.

Not agreeing with you.  My point is your analogy does not work.  You can't pick up a road and move it, but you can move content.

There is a reason that the US is seeking the extradition of people from MegaUpload.

I will give you another example.  There is a death metal band that I particularly like, called The Chasm.  They are from Mexico, and their stuff is hard to find in the USA.  Most of their titles are out of print, and were produced on a very limited basis in their initial run.  I tracked down two of their albums used, but I downloaded the rest.  If those albums were to be reissued and offered for sale in the States, you bet your ass I would buy them.  Unfortunately, pirating was the only option I had to hear their excellent work.

As for looking on Ebay, I wasn't able to find their stuff on CD there.  What little I saw of their stuff on Ebay was being offered for $100 and up.  I'm not going to pay that much when the money will just go to some greasy neckbearded shut-in, rather than the band.  Fuck that noise.

Still not a justification for piracy.  You have a legal way to get the music, you are simply unwilling to pay that price.  Just because a album, or game is no longer being sold or made does not give you the right to take it. 
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Re: The Pirate Bay sunk in the UK
« Reply #76 on: May 05, 2012, 12:00:30 pm »
Ok, in my first couple posts... the reason for my harsh tone was unrelated to the thread (not entirely but mostly). I was having a bad day as it was, and seeing some of the opinions on this thread hit my Berserk Button. So I take back the harshness of how I said things - but not the points themselves.

I'm not totally against the idea of piracy - or at least, I don't think less of people simply for doing it. I'm sympathetic to the fact that people might not be able to afford something they like or want, or that they may not feel comfortable supporting a company that also supports the very restrictive DRM that pisses people off or that support SOPA-like bills. I get that you might think the price of something is unfairly high. I understand all the reasons that might lead people to piracy, and if I'm being brutally honest, I've indulged in the practice once or twice in regard to songs. (I've later purchased all the songs in question though.) Or maybe something you want isn't available where you live and you can't find a way to legally buy it online. So believe me, I'm not saying there aren't reasons for piracy.

I'm saying there aren't justifications.

When you sit here and tell me that you have the right to bypass our nation's copyright laws (for international users: There's a reason software mentions international treaties in the copyright legalese) simply because of the reasons above is bullshit. I'm not saying that to be harsh; it simply is. You may not like the way the copyright laws are written; I sure as hell don't. You may not like the RIAA or the MPAA and their ilk for what they do; again, I hate those guys. That said, just because I think the RIAA and MPAA are scumbags the likes of which are almost cartoonish in nature, doesn't mean I condone piracy. Tragically, both piracy and the *AA brothers fuck over artists looking to profit from their work. It's unfair, yes, and renovation is required. But trust me when I say that when you pirate, you don't resemble Batman, the vigilante justice-giver. You more resemble the two burglars from Home Alone, though perhaps more competent.
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Re: The Pirate Bay sunk in the UK
« Reply #77 on: May 05, 2012, 09:21:37 pm »
When you buy something off of Ebay, none of that money goes to the people who created it. They are no better off financially than if you had just downloaded it. That is what this argument is about, isn't it?
Like it or not, that's generally how you go about legally acquiring stuff that's no longer in production.
Game makers would love to disagree with that, as they'd rather games never get resold at all.
I don't think they'd disagree that it's currently a legal alternative to piracy, which is what I'm saying.
You misunderstand me.

I'm saying that they don't want it to be a legal alternative.  They want it to be considered more or less the same.

Not necessarily all game makers, just the tripe like EA and shit like that.
I don't misunderstand, I was hoping to confer that it's a whole separate issue. That is unless of course you're saying that it justifies piracy.

No, not saying it justifies piracy.

Just that some game makers consider it the same as piracy.
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Re: The Pirate Bay sunk in the UK
« Reply #78 on: May 05, 2012, 09:28:59 pm »
No, not saying it justifies piracy.

Just that some game makers consider it the same as piracy.
Like I said, that's a whole separate issue.

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Re: The Pirate Bay sunk in the UK
« Reply #79 on: May 06, 2012, 04:27:54 am »
As for looking on Ebay, I wasn't able to find their stuff on CD there.  What little I saw of their stuff on Ebay was being offered for $100 and up.  I'm not going to pay that much when the money will just go to some greasy neckbearded shut-in, rather than the band.  Fuck that noise.
Still not a justification for piracy.  You have a legal way to get the music, you are simply unwilling to pay that price.  Just because a album, or game is no longer being sold or made does not give you the right to take it. 

There's a distinction between something being technically illegal and morally wrong.  This is a good example.

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Re: The Pirate Bay sunk in the UK
« Reply #80 on: May 06, 2012, 05:07:20 am »
That is the real issue, isn't it?  And it's the point where what moral relativity exists comes clashing together and creates division.

Which is what we see here, on these very forums.
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Re: The Pirate Bay sunk in the UK
« Reply #81 on: May 06, 2012, 07:05:05 am »
As for looking on Ebay, I wasn't able to find their stuff on CD there.  What little I saw of their stuff on Ebay was being offered for $100 and up.  I'm not going to pay that much when the money will just go to some greasy neckbearded shut-in, rather than the band.  Fuck that noise.
Still not a justification for piracy.  You have a legal way to get the music, you are simply unwilling to pay that price.  Just because a album, or game is no longer being sold or made does not give you the right to take it. 

There's a distinction between something being technically illegal and morally wrong.  This is a good example.

I get the point here. While it's morally wrong to take it, is it really that illegal? Whether you pay that 100 bucks for it off someone or take it, is it really going to effect the band or their label in any way what so ever?
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