I too thought calling this rape was a stretch. I'm not saying it isn't terrible what they're doing, but rape? And anyone who agrees is a rape apologist? Give me a break. Isn't it enough that we all agree it's unnecessary and should be done away with? Do you have to agree it's rape to not be scum?
It is rape. It's coerced penetration of the vagina. It's rape. I don't know what you want me to do about it, I can't make it not rape. You know who can make Nickerson look like less of an asshole? Nickerson. I'm not covering for him, I don't particularly like the guy either. But I do like you, so I'm going to do you a favor & eplain something: "We still think it's wrong" is a cute sentiment, but what happens when you get an activist group who claims it's rape? How do you handle their concerns? Do you tell them they're full of shit because of one or more legal loopholes? Or do you concede that it's institutionalized rape by coercion? You're not going to be able to remain neutral, they're going to feel like you're making an extremely important concern into something much less important.
You will be their enemy, their arguments will be made to prove
you wrong. If you can't handle it here, on an internet forum, with me, who does not feel like he's been raped, then I'd hate to see how your position holds up in the real world.
Yes, everyone can call it rape if they want to. Just like the pro-life side calls abortion murder. They're in the same vein. You know the one where people use words loosely so to make the other side as horrible as possible. I know it's not possible at all for anyone to express how much they think this law is wrong without calling it rape, so you all have fun with that.
Of course you can think the law is incorrect without being rape. That doesn't make you right. It also doesn't make your analogy to abortion accurate, because there is a lot more to that issue that makes it much different to walking up & shooting a guy. You have issues with rights to bodily autonomy, the difference between a fully formed human & a bunch of cells, & Roe vs. Wade, just to name a few. But if you want to get mad, & claim persecution when people are offended by your illogical arguments & lack of tact, be my guest. All it will mean for me is that I need to go make some Pop-Corn.
Or he could be correct, under Virginia law....
This is a stupid argument. This is effectively saying that it can't be rape if it's legal. So say, for the sake of the argument, Congress somehow & for some reason legalized using rufelin to drug someone into unconsciousness & have sex with them. According to this line of reasoning, you have no right to question the law as state-sanctioned rape, because it's legal. Hey, look at the shape that argument makes! It's a circle!
People have long been arguing that the definition of rape is invalid. Do you consider man-on-man penetration to be rape? Because that's a fairly recent change to the legal definition.
With your last thing, I have to wonder if VA also does not recognize getting someone drunk, or having sex with someone who's underaged as some form of sexual assault. Because if they do, then that means you don't have to be using overt violence to be convicted.
That might be true if the doctors were the ones making that decision. They are not. They will be following that law. They will not have an option to just preform the abortion.
Plus I might think that actual victims of rape might disagree that having this procedure done is rape. Hell, lets just call routine pap-smears rape as well. I hear those are uncomfortable.
First of all, I never said the doctors were the guilty party, so don't get smart with me when you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Secondly, you just made the "few minutes of discomfort" argument with no sense of irony. Yeah, it's not like this is the same argument used by people claiming "rape is just sex," or anything.
All I said was that it was unlikely you could make an argument that this isn't rape without using rape apology arguments. For the backlash you're getting from not only proving it, but by coming across as a belittling asshole to anyone who doesn't fit your definition of "actual rape," that's on you.
