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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #3600 on: November 11, 2020, 08:17:33 pm »
Yeah, let's not forget - we are not dealing with a super-genius here. We're dealing with Donald Trump, a senile sputtering COVID patient who'll probably go right back to death's door the minute he's off the steroids.
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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #3601 on: November 11, 2020, 09:27:28 pm »
I wonder if in 2024 he'll break Eugene Debs' century-old record for "most votes received for a Presidential candidate in prison".
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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #3602 on: November 11, 2020, 11:35:55 pm »
Wouldn't be surprised if he's got a nice, long flight planned to a non-extradition country.  Hopefully, one that he didn't piss off and would subsequently just shoot him on arrival and huck him in a hole, somewhere.

Fuck, who am I kidding?  The slow-witted cunt probably thinks he can just barricade himself inside Trump Tower.  After all, it means moving less.

He's going to Russia to get Trump Tower Moscow off the ground.

Ironbite-is what I would've said had the rumors that Putin's done being the power on the throne.

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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #3603 on: November 12, 2020, 01:23:42 am »
Yeah, Putin is the one with a relationship with Donald. Whoever succeeds him does not have any inkling to help him.

So Trump is up shit creek without a paddle. He has utterly no choices left. He's made no real allies, only enemies.
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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #3604 on: November 12, 2020, 02:53:08 am »
Fuck, who am I kidding?  The slow-witted cunt probably thinks he can just barricade himself inside Trump Tower.  After all, it means moving less.

I may have a solution...

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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #3605 on: November 12, 2020, 02:55:02 am »
Excellent! Just lead him out of the White House with burgers, then when he comes back he's just not allowed in.
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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #3606 on: November 12, 2020, 05:17:30 pm »
He's going to go to Mar a lago for Christmas and never go back to the Whitehouse. Then he will go to Trump Tower. He won't run anywhere he will stay at Trump Tower and will almost certainly be left alone and never charged for what he did while President. The State of New York will come for him though

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« Reply #3607 on: November 12, 2020, 06:01:37 pm »
No US President ever faces consequences for what they did as President. Ford pardoned Nixon. Further, as Chomsky pointed out, every US President from Truman through Bush Sr. is a war criminal, and every one from Clinton since is also.
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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #3608 on: November 12, 2020, 08:25:18 pm »
I think the Biden presidency will be more focused on retaining power, which won't be easy. Winning formerly Republican voters in the suburbs of Atlanta, Detroit, Milwaukee, Philadelphia and Phoenix who were turned off by Trump but not necessarily the GOP was a big factor in winning the presidency but so was the activism of minority voters, particularly black women. There were also, I'd imagine plenty of people who were motivated primarily by the desire to get the orange bastard gone as well as the opposed camps of Biden and Bernie supporters. Keeping all of those folks happy once Trump is history will be challenging.

A lot depends on Georgia in the coming months, the GOP will be gunning hard for the mid terms in 2022 and taking full advantage of the conservative activist judges Trump placed to stymie Biden's agenda. Trump may be disappearing behind the curtain but he revealed how many people in America are ok with racism, authoritarianism and the notion that only one party has a legitimate claim to power. That's not to say that all Trumpies are racists, but all Trumpies were prepared to give it a pass when it suited their interests, more than a few were straight out, up front racists and there are still over 70,000,000 Americans who were fine and dandy with all the appalling shit he did.

IMO America dodged a bullet and that's reason for celebration, but this victory won't necessarily last forever. As with most things, Trump was BAD at doing the whole wanna be dictator thing because he's a lazy, stupid slob. The Coronavirus presented the perfect opportunity to cement his position and he flubbed it. A national crisis where people will forgive attacks on civil liberties until the crisis passes so long as the leader musters the resources of a nation to do what 'must be done'? Please, even George Bush Jr understood that! Trump had a golden opportunity and he...tweeted and golfed. The next right wing populist with Fascist tendencies waiting in the wings could be a lot more competent.

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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #3609 on: November 12, 2020, 08:58:52 pm »
No US President ever faces consequences for what they did as President. Ford pardoned Nixon. Further, as Chomsky pointed out, every US President from Truman through Bush Sr. is a war criminal, and every one from Clinton since is also.

Well, I see no reason much to pay heed to this, since I do not think much of Chomsky. Chances are, you'll go to the grave banging on that drum you alone maintain.

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Considering how monumental Trump was in the Republican Party, the Republicans have two choices; drive down turnout by going for more moderate choices and thus making it easier for following Democratic Presidencies - or, double down and select increasingly racist and xenophobic candidates that will activate the Democratic base more and more.

And Demography is against the Republicans.

And keep in mind how instrumental mail in votes were. What we need to do is expand mail in voting, make it even easier, and further empower Stacy Abrams' organization, spread it nationwide.
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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #3610 on: November 12, 2020, 09:44:07 pm »
Believe it or not, niam, people are capable of having principles, such as the principle that your actions should be judged by the same standard by which you judge your adversaries' actions, as was done at Nuremberg.

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As for the Republican Party, maybe. But the Cult of Trump isn't as strong as you might at first think. Consider that in 2016, Trump became the Republican nominee not because he had majority support among Republican primary voters, but because the party uses delegate allocation rules that hand a disproportionate advantage to anyone who can command a plurality share of the vote, which he did. If the other candidates had gotten out of each other's way and the non-Trump vote had coalesced around someone like Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, or John Kasich, 2016 would have gone very differently. (If nothing else, one of those three would have been President for the last four years. Which would still have been terrible, but at least they're minimally competent at governing.)

Then in the general election you got people voting for Trump because they might have hated both him and Hillary Clinton, but they hated him less.

There's other points I could make but I'm going to wait until full results have been certified.

EDIT: https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/trump-four-fronts-1.5798857

More world leaders have acknowledged Joe Biden as US President-elect than US Senate Republicans.
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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #3612 on: November 14, 2020, 10:26:39 am »
When the dead rise just to get you out of office, ya know you've done fucked up.
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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #3613 on: November 14, 2020, 10:45:16 am »
No US President ever faces consequences for what they did as President. Ford pardoned Nixon. Further, as Chomsky pointed out, every US President from Truman through Bush Sr. is a war criminal, and every one from Clinton since is also.


Yes, but war crimes from a sitting president are a dignified tradition, tax evasion is just tacky.
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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #3614 on: November 14, 2020, 01:56:38 pm »
No US President ever faces consequences for what they did as President. Ford pardoned Nixon. Further, as Chomsky pointed out, every US President from Truman through Bush Sr. is a war criminal, and every one from Clinton since is also.


Yes, but war crimes from a sitting president are a dignified tradition, tax evasion is just tacky.

Trump evaded taxes long before he became President, though.
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It doesn't concern you, Sister, that kind of absolutist view of the universe? Right and wrong determined solely by a single all-knowing, all powerful being whose judgment cannot be questioned and in whose name the most horrendous acts can be sanctioned without appeal?

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Being required by someone else’s religious beliefs to behave contrary to one’s sexual identity is degrading and disrespectful.