A B.C. couple are furious after public health nurses vaccinated their teenage daughter at school without parental consent.
Dean Bootsma said his 14-year-old daughter was pulled out of her Grade 9 class and inoculated against tetanus, diphtheria and pertussis (whooping cough) without checking her medical history, calling him or his wife, or having them sign a consent form.
"The fact that they did this without our knowledge or consent sickens me, sickens me. I've never felt so violated," said Bootsma.
Bootsma said he and his wife are not against vaccines in general, but have chosen not to vaccinate their children out of worry they may be predisposed to an adverse reaction. The couple say their first daughter developed a high fever hours after being inoculated.
Bootsma said he had no idea children are allowed to make their own medical decisions in B.C.
Under the B.C. Infants Act, however, parents do not need to sign a consent form for children 14 years of age and older to be inoculated, as long as a doctor or nurse believes the child is mature enough to understand the risks and benefits of the treatment.
Bootsma's 14-year-old daughter, who did not want to be named to protect her privacy, told CBC News she was not asked about any medical history of an adverse reaction. Had she been asked, she said, she would have told nurses, "My sister in the past had an allergic reaction to it. So I would have said yes, but they never asked me."
Bootsma also said his daughter is not mature enough to make medical decisions and was too shy to question nurses.
"I didn’t really know what to do, and she didn’t really give me an option to not get a vaccine," said the girl.
"She tried explaining it to me, I guess, but I couldn’t really hear her over everyone else."
The Fraser Health Authority would not talk about this particular case, but said its nurses followed the legal procedure for obtaining mature minor consent.
Kendall said that with inoculation rates in Canada down to just 84 per cent, public health nurses are just doing their job. He said they are actively trying to boost those numbers when they visit schools for routine Grade 9 booster shots.
It is kinda fucked up that they didn't ask about any medical history prior to giving the kids the vaccines...isn't such a thing standard operating procedure? If you're going to punish the nurses who did this for anything, punish them for not following proper procedure that's in place to keep people fucking safe.
It is kinda fucked up that they didn't ask about any medical history prior to giving the kids the vaccines...isn't such a thing standard operating procedure? If you're going to punish the nurses who did this for anything, punish them for not following proper procedure that's in place to keep people fucking safe.
Thing is, the nurses (or at least the Health Authority) claim they did follow proper procedure.
My grandmother had 10 children and ALL of them had the measles as children and NONE of them died or had any lasting consequences from the disease! My grandmother herself had the measles as well along with her 13 siblings and NONE died or had any lasting consequences. Suck it up!! Back in those days, no one went to the hospital for measles...The only ones at risk for dying from any infectious disease are the weak members of society. How do you become a strong member of society who can fight off disease without a hitch??? iT starts with your diet!! Until people realize that our bodies are not stupid and that it biologically wants nothing more than to survive, the pharmaceutical industry will have you all by the balls. My son is not vaccinated and will never be vaccinated and guess what? HE NEVER GETS SICK...EVER! I'm not scared of any disease not even polio because I have studied all about infectious diseases and I know my boy is strong enough and healthy enough to fight off anything. I take care of him with an impeccable organic, home cooked diet. My son doesn't know what a chicken mcnugget is and never will as long as I can control what he consumes. I give my son fermented cod liver oil, probiotics, briar rose, elderberry syrup and he was breastfed, just to name a few of the things I do to keep him healthy! Now think about your diseased child's last meal, probably now even close to my son's meal. It was probably some sort of fast food garbage with some sort of soda....that is irresponsible and negligent in my book. vaccines aren't going to keep you healthy people! When diet is wrong, medicine is of no use. When diet is right, medicine is of no need. Many scholars have linked the polio epidemic to the beginning wide spread use of DDT and the beginning of a high refined sugar diet!! but you all are so busy listening to your shit head pediatrician that you choose to not read any relevant historical information.
My grandmother had 10 children and ALL of them had the measles as children and NONE of them died or had any lasting consequences from the disease! My grandmother herself had the measles as well along with her 13 siblings and NONE died or had any lasting consequences. Suck it up!!
The only ones at risk for dying from any infectious disease are the weak members of society.
How do you become a strong member of society who can fight off disease without a hitch??? iT starts with your diet!!
Until people realize that our bodies are not stupid and that it biologically wants nothing more than to survive, the pharmaceutical industry will have you all by the balls.
My son is not vaccinated and will never be vaccinated and guess what? HE NEVER GETS SICK...EVER!
I'm not scared of any disease not even polio
healthy diet wharrgarbl
Even otherwise reasonable people tend to drink the antivax kool-aid when it comes to flu shots. It's anecdotal on my end, but I've heard more people talk about flu shot conspiracies than the other vaccines.
Even otherwise reasonable people tend to drink the antivax kool-aid when it comes to flu shots. It's anecdotal on my end, but I've heard more people talk about flu shot conspiracies than the other vaccines.
I've seen it as well. I'm required to get a flu shot for my job, and every single year I get lectured on the "dangers" by friends and family.
My family still believes in this whole "cocktail of poisons such as mercury" crock. Should I try to disprove them with sources or is the whole "mercury" thing true?
Another big problem (and it comes up a lot) is the "if vaccines work like you claim, then you should have nothing to worry about with everyone refusing to vaccinate their kids" argument. This completely ignores people who can't, rather than won't, get vaccines.
My brother is an anti-vaxxer who claims that vaccines gave me autism (they didn't) and that they contain dangerously high levels of mercury (they don't). He refuses to vaccinate any of his kids, so to protect them I got my flu shot and a couple booster shots (notably, the one for pertussis) ahead of schedule. A lot of his bullshit is just annoying or stupid, but the notion that "your kids will be neurotypical if you just follow Woo Weekly's advice about not protecting your children against potentially fatal diseases!" is flat out insulting. I'm not autistic because of something my parent's did or didn't do; I'm autistic for no easily discernible reason whatsoever. Sometimes, shit happens and it's only much later that anyone at all understands why. Blaming vaccines or fast food or demons only prolongs the period of "well fuck why'd that happen", delaying a real explanation or treatment plan.Apologies for channeling my tumblrite here but, anti-vaxxers are privileged ableist nerotips.
Anti-vaxxers are definitely ableist. They're implying they'd rather have a dead child than an autistic one.My brother is an anti-vaxxer who claims that vaccines gave me autism (they didn't) and that they contain dangerously high levels of mercury (they don't). He refuses to vaccinate any of his kids, so to protect them I got my flu shot and a couple booster shots (notably, the one for pertussis) ahead of schedule. A lot of his bullshit is just annoying or stupid, but the notion that "your kids will be neurotypical if you just follow Woo Weekly's advice about not protecting your children against potentially fatal diseases!" is flat out insulting. I'm not autistic because of something my parent's did or didn't do; I'm autistic for no easily discernible reason whatsoever. Sometimes, shit happens and it's only much later that anyone at all understands why. Blaming vaccines or fast food or demons only prolongs the period of "well fuck why'd that happen", delaying a real explanation or treatment plan.Apologies for channeling my tumblrite here but, anti-vaxxers are privileged ableist nerotips.
I bet most of them are against abortion whenever the baby could have serious genetic issues as well.Anti-vaxxers are definitely ableist. They're implying they'd rather have a dead child than an autistic one.My brother is an anti-vaxxer who claims that vaccines gave me autism (they didn't) and that they contain dangerously high levels of mercury (they don't). He refuses to vaccinate any of his kids, so to protect them I got my flu shot and a couple booster shots (notably, the one for pertussis) ahead of schedule. A lot of his bullshit is just annoying or stupid, but the notion that "your kids will be neurotypical if you just follow Woo Weekly's advice about not protecting your children against potentially fatal diseases!" is flat out insulting. I'm not autistic because of something my parent's did or didn't do; I'm autistic for no easily discernible reason whatsoever. Sometimes, shit happens and it's only much later that anyone at all understands why. Blaming vaccines or fast food or demons only prolongs the period of "well fuck why'd that happen", delaying a real explanation or treatment plan.Apologies for channeling my tumblrite here but, anti-vaxxers are privileged ableist nerotips.
I don't think they're actually saying they'd rather have a dead child than an autistic one. They're ignorant of the potential effects of not vaccinating children and don't appear to understand herd immunity. Not that I'm trying to defend them in any way, as they piss me off more than most groups.They still talk about Autism like it's a bad thing.
They still talk about Autism like it's a bad thing.Well... It kind of is a rather bad thing, much like any other disability.
I meant they talk about it in a condescending way that turns those suffering from it into idiots.They still talk about Autism like it's a bad thing.Well... It kind of is a rather bad thing, much like any other disability.
They're also pricks and idiots for not realizing that even if their kid catches something and "is just fine!!!!!", that kid could and like as not will pass it on to someone who can't fight it off. That someone could be their friend who's undergoing chemo, it could be their preemie baby brother, it could be their great-grandma Gertrude. I remember a massive fight between two high school friends, one with a compromised immune system and one with no understanding of what a vaccine is. She legitimately thought vaccines were like herbicides in that they'd kill whatever they touched and "just so happened" to mostly kill "bad cells". Our bio teacher smacked her with the Cluebat of Great Justice, but not before answering a hundred stupid questions and facepalming a bunch of times. Homeschooling is a hell of a drug*.LETS BICKER ANYWAY!
*before anyone jumps down my throat, I was homeschooled for eight years. This is self-deprecating humor.
*before anyone jumps down my throat, I was homeschooled for eight years. This is self-deprecating humor.
Home schooling is, more likely than not, a complete sham designed by parents to keep their children as sheltered as possible.
I don't think they're actually saying they'd rather have a dead child than an autistic one. They're ignorant of the potential effects of not vaccinating children and don't appear to understand herd immunity. Not that I'm trying to defend them in any way, as they piss me off more than most groups.
I don't think they're actually saying they'd rather have a dead child than an autistic one. They're ignorant of the potential effects of not vaccinating children and don't appear to understand herd immunity. Not that I'm trying to defend them in any way, as they piss me off more than most groups.
I think you mean they don't mean to say that. All the information is out there on vaccines. A quick search on your favorite browser will lay it all out there for you. If they are ignorant of potential effects, then we're talking about willed ignorance. But for all that, intentions don't count the same as outcomes.
When I was a small boy back in the '40s, I thought that if you caught German Measles, you would break out in Swastikas.
Hey, Measles! I got an email from your cousin TB! He told me he's makin' big inroads in native communities and the poorer sections of our big cities!
But nobody seems to care (guess why?).
Anyhow cousin TB got some great new defences against all those drug-peddling medical folks- they can't stop him anymore.
Why don't join him? He's a real killer!
(cough cough) oops, Sorry! Excuse this bit of blood spattering.. Hey- is that part of my lung?
We actually don't have a direct policy. People should do their due diligence and make the choice that's best for them.
I think it's a grey issue because it's an issue about children and about health and about parents' choices and that in this country, of course, we have the choice to vaccinate or not.
We know that vaccines are effective, we know they're safe and, you know, this is a matter of public health and protection of citizens generally, but in particular children and people in the population who are more susceptible.
These diseases kill people.
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For me personally, I weep more for the families struggling with autism. THIS is an epidemic/pandemic and a travesty that needs to be addressed. If 1 in 68 children in North America has autism, then what does that mean in a city of one million like Calgary? WAY too many. This measles outbreak that the media is hammering away at? Eight. Count them. Eight individual cases.
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Also, with all the risks children go through every day, why are vaccines the unacceptable one? They're probably more at risk riding in the car with you than they are getting an adverse reaction from a vaccine.
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Because Penn and Teller are awesome.(click to show/hide)
Prime Minister Stephen Harper says he doesn’t understand why people in the developed world don’t get vaccinated.
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“It's hard for me not to get very emotional about this because we know, we scientifically know, what vaccinations and immunizations have done for us, personally, in our generation and for generations after us,” he said on the second day of the government's maternal, newborn and child health summit.
“I frankly don't understand people who are walking away in our society from something that's proven to work.”
Measles outbreaks seem to be accelerating, and in the last five months have caused more U.S. illnesses than in any entire year since 1996.
Health officials say 307 cases have been reported since New Year's Day. About half have been in the past month — most from a huge outbreak in unvaccinated Amish communities in Ohio.
Okay. That's it. Fuck it. I don't care about preferences or philosophies or whatever other such bullshit. These diseases are deadly and preventable. Everyone gets three options: get vaccinated, get proof that you cannot be vaccinated for medical reasons, or be quarantined until you do one of the previous two things. Letting people who have no medical reason not to be vaccinated run around picking up these illnesses and spreading them, especially to the people in that second group, has to stop.
Vaccine, proof, or quarantine. That's it.
These people are idiots. Vaccines are GOOD, they keep you from dying of diseases. I mean seriously.
Though to be fair, I don't get flu shots, but that's not because they're bad, just because I have only gotten the flu once (I had gotten bitten by a snake earlier that year, and between that and the antivenin, my immune system was WRECKED), and because I am irrationally terrified of needles. I knw it's dumb, and there's no reason to be, but I am.
This year, if I am not flat broke, I will try to make myself go get a flu shot.
This year, if I am not flat broke, I will try to make myself go get a flu shot.
Kinda sucks living in a country where vaccinations aren't free even though they are so necessary, doesn't it?
I imagine that these people will probably say something when they find a way to make a HIV vaccine.
The small-pox so fatal and so general amongst us is here entirely harmless by the invention of ingrafting (which is the term they give it). There is a set of old women who make it their business to perform the operation. Every autumn in the month of September, when the great heat is abated, people send to one another to know if any of their family has a mind to have the small-pox. They make parties for this purpose, and when they are met (commonly fifteen or sixteen together) the old woman comes with a nutshell full of the matter of the best sort of small-pox and asks what veins you please to have opened. She immediately rips open that you offer to her with a large needle (which gives you no more pain than a common scratch) and puts into the vein as much venom as can lye upon the head of her needle, and after binds up the little wound with a hollow bit of shell, and in this manner opens four or five veins. . . . The children or young patients play together all the rest of the day and are in perfect health till the eighth. Then the fever begins to seize them and they keep their beds two days, very seldom three. They have very rarely above twenty or thirty in their faces, which never mark, and in eight days time they are as well as before the illness. . . . There is no example of any one that has died in it, and you may believe I am very well satisfied of the safety of the experiment since I intend to try it on my dear little son. I am patriot enough to take pains to bring this useful invention into fashion in England, and I should not fail to write to some of our doctors very particularly about it if I knew any one of them that I thought had virtue enough to destroy such a considerable branch of their revenue for the good of mankind, but that distemper is too beneficial to them not to expose to all their resentment the hardy wight that should undertake to put an end to it. Perhaps if I live to return I may, however, have courage to war with them.
I found this yesterday and almost couldn't contain my laughter.
Letter by Lady Montagu, the woman who brought variolation (vaccination's predecessor) to England in 1717.QuoteThe small-pox so fatal and so general amongst us is here entirely harmless by the invention of ingrafting (which is the term they give it). There is a set of old women who make it their business to perform the operation. Every autumn in the month of September, when the great heat is abated, people send to one another to know if any of their family has a mind to have the small-pox. They make parties for this purpose, and when they are met (commonly fifteen or sixteen together) the old woman comes with a nutshell full of the matter of the best sort of small-pox and asks what veins you please to have opened. She immediately rips open that you offer to her with a large needle (which gives you no more pain than a common scratch) and puts into the vein as much venom as can lye upon the head of her needle, and after binds up the little wound with a hollow bit of shell, and in this manner opens four or five veins. . . . The children or young patients play together all the rest of the day and are in perfect health till the eighth. Then the fever begins to seize them and they keep their beds two days, very seldom three. They have very rarely above twenty or thirty in their faces, which never mark, and in eight days time they are as well as before the illness. . . . There is no example of any one that has died in it, and you may believe I am very well satisfied of the safety of the experiment since I intend to try it on my dear little son. I am patriot enough to take pains to bring this useful invention into fashion in England, and I should not fail to write to some of our doctors very particularly about it if I knew any one of them that I thought had virtue enough to destroy such a considerable branch of their revenue for the good of mankind, but that distemper is too beneficial to them not to expose to all their resentment the hardy wight that should undertake to put an end to it. Perhaps if I live to return I may, however, have courage to war with them.
Vaccination, today's diabolical money-making scheme of Orthodox Medicine (TM), was once considered the simple, natural alternative to the former. Oh, the irony.
Despite scientific evidence proving there is no correlation between autism and vaccines, as the students prepared to debut their film months ago, they received vocal opposition from groups who believe otherwise, according to The Los Angeles Times. The groups called the film a piece of propaganda accused the students of taking bribes from pharmaceutical companies.
Scientists with the Biointerfaces Institute at McMaster University are using a compound found in the breath-freshening film to create what they say is a simpler, more cost-effective method of administering vaccines in low-income countries.
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Typically, vaccines contain genetic material from the viruses or bacteria — like polio or diphtheria, for example — that they’re designed to combat. But currently, most vaccines need to be refrigerated so their active ingredients don’t deteriorate.
This is a problem in parts of the developing where electricity service isn’t very reliable, Filipe said. “If you think of a place like India where there are more power outages, and you keep a vaccine in the refrigerator, you never know how much of it still remains active.”
However, the McMaster team found they could preserve live vaccines at room temperature by infusing them into a mixture containing pullulan, an edible polymer that’s found in breath strips. Derived from a common type of fungus, this compound normally rests in a solid state but dissolves rapidly in water.
The CNN host then asked Wolfson if he could live with himself if his unvaccinated child got other children, like Sacks’ daughter, fatally sick.
“I could live with myself easily. It’s an unfortunate thing that people die, but people die. And I’m not going to put my child at risk to save another child,” he said.
“I’m not going to sacrifice the wellbeing of my child,” he added. “My child is pure.”
An east Ottawa daycare that bills itself as "vaccine-free" is being criticized by Ottawa Public Health, which says it’s a health risk for students who go there.
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They said they set up their daycare for other parents who are worried about their child's health when they're around recently vaccinated people.
"The live vaccine that's administered to you, you carry that vaccine. It's a virus," Paapa said.
"You're a walking, living, breathing virus for at least 30 days, and in some cases longer. Your body is built to be able to fight it off; that's why [for] a lot of people there's no problem with the vaccine. But in cases where you have someone who is already immunodeficient and they get a vaccine, it's sometimes a recipe for trouble, that's where a vaccine injury happens a lot of the time."
I dunno, unlike the Taliban, Scientology is an actual threat.
SHOTS FIRED, AWW SHIT!
North and South America have become the first regions of the world to eradicate rubella, or German measles, after no home-grown cases in five years.
The virus - spread by sneezes or coughs - can lead to serious birth defects if contracted by pregnant women.
Up to 20,000 children were born with rubella in the Americas every year until mass vaccinations started.
But the last endemic cases registered in the region were in Argentina and Brazil in 2009.
However, about 120,000 new cases of rubella emerge every year, particularly in south-east Asia and Africa.
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