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Offline niam2023

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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #3570 on: November 07, 2020, 03:33:28 pm »
What can we take away from this election?

Well, first of all, the whole "phenomenon" candidate idea has been dealt a decidedly strong blow today. Ideologues and populists will persist, but this election demonstrated that they are far from all powerful. Biden, an establishment candidate willing to hear the reasonable ideas of the further Left, has won. He has a lot of work to do and we need to hold him to promises and necessary steps, but this represents something.

Everyone on here predicted a Trump win, or a Bernie blow-out of everyone else in the primaries, and now we have President Biden.

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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #3571 on: November 07, 2020, 03:42:56 pm »
I didn't predict a Trump win. I was just jaded. It's still very sad that Trump gained 10 million voters.
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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #3572 on: November 07, 2020, 04:26:30 pm »
What's really important is not letting what happened in 2010 happen again in 2022.

Democrats have to hold the House, and the decreased majority gives far less room for failure there. Having Governors in states like Wisconsin and Michigan will help, but there will likely be a seat lost in Maryland to Hogan's veto over a 7-1 map as currently exists, and Arizona Republicans will probably try to draw a map that won't sometimes result in a 5-4 Democratic majority, etc.

As for the Senate, Mark Kelly still has to win again in Arizona, while Michael Bennet, Catherine Cortez Masto, and Maggie Hassan are all up for re-election in close states. Meanwhile some of Marco Rubio, Richard Burr, Pat Toomey and Ron Johnson need to be knocked off, plus Kelly Loeffler if she wins in Georgia (otherwise, Raphael Warnock's seat will need defending).

Given the historical performance of the President's party in midterm elections, this could be a very tall order.
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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #3573 on: November 07, 2020, 04:43:08 pm »
Democrats have a stronger chance to take the Senate in 2022 due to more Republicans being up for reelection than Democrats. The house is a different story.
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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #3574 on: November 07, 2020, 04:49:03 pm »
Quote from: Id82 on November 07, 2020, 04:43:08 pm
Democrats have a stronger chance to take the Senate in 2022 due to more Republicans being up for reelection than Democrats. The house is a different story.

Didn't a lot of people think that this time, too, though?

And unless both Georgia seats flip, Republicans will still control the Senate, and Democrats will have more marginal seats to defend than they did this time around.
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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #3575 on: November 07, 2020, 05:31:46 pm »
Quote from: dpareja on November 07, 2020, 04:49:03 pm
Quote from: Id82 on November 07, 2020, 04:43:08 pm
Democrats have a stronger chance to take the Senate in 2022 due to more Republicans being up for reelection than Democrats. The house is a different story.

Didn't a lot of people think that this time, too, though?

And unless both Georgia seats flip, Republicans will still control the Senate, and Democrats will have more marginal seats to defend than they did this time around.

I am really hoping that we will get the two Georgia Democrats in the runoff. I would like to see a Democratic majority in the Senate, we can start to get things done that we haven't been able to in the past 4 years. Glad that Social Security is safe for now for one thing.
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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #3576 on: November 07, 2020, 05:37:21 pm »
Quote from: Radiation on November 07, 2020, 05:31:46 pm
Quote from: dpareja on November 07, 2020, 04:49:03 pm
Quote from: Id82 on November 07, 2020, 04:43:08 pm
Democrats have a stronger chance to take the Senate in 2022 due to more Republicans being up for reelection than Democrats. The house is a different story.

Didn't a lot of people think that this time, too, though?

And unless both Georgia seats flip, Republicans will still control the Senate, and Democrats will have more marginal seats to defend than they did this time around.

I am really hoping that we will get the two Georgia Democrats in the runoff. I would like to see a Democratic majority in the Senate, we can start to get things done that we haven't been able to in the past 4 years. Glad that Social Security is safe for now for one thing.

That assumes Manchin and/or King don't flip anyway.

EDIT: https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/us-election-biden-result-1.5790534

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Trump's supporters are fuming over the results. Michael Brietenbach attended a protest in Philadelphia on Friday, insisting the vote count was being conducted unfairly.

"We will drag this fight on until our president concedes," he said.

"When our president concedes, his people will concede. Because that's how we are. We follow him. And that's what it is."

So... that's basically a cult, right?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/us-election-biden-trudeau-wherry-1.5792300

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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #3577 on: November 08, 2020, 01:56:30 am »


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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #3578 on: November 08, 2020, 02:05:40 am »
Q Anon will be... interesting to watch.

They're not going away. I think their influence is going to start shrinking, but they're going to be there. And they're likely going to continue to inspire white nationalist terrorism. Especially since a Q Anon supporter was "elected" to the House.
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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #3579 on: November 08, 2020, 03:01:38 am »
Why did you put "elected" in scare quotes? Did the candidate win by acclamation?
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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #3580 on: November 08, 2020, 04:50:17 am »
She was running unopposed.
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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #3581 on: November 08, 2020, 07:18:42 am »
Quote from: Cloud3514 on November 08, 2020, 04:50:17 am
She was running unopposed.

Well, in that case, it would've been up to someone else to step up and run against her. Election by acclamation is no less legitimate than any other form of election.
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Being required by someone else’s religious beliefs to behave contrary to one’s sexual identity is degrading and disrespectful.

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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #3582 on: November 08, 2020, 09:23:41 am »
Its a problem Democrats have.  If they feel they can't win in certain areas, they just don't waste the money.  It's a pragmatic view of things and one that anyone can take but I feel that seat was up for grabs.

Ironbite-and as the saying goes, you miss 100% of the shots you don't take.
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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #3583 on: November 08, 2020, 02:46:28 pm »
There's also plenty of seats Republicans don't contest, and not just because they've drawn the maps to make a few of them so safely Democratic that there's no point; go look at Massachusetts.

They too miss 100% of the shots they don't take.
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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #3584 on: November 08, 2020, 04:03:59 pm »
Quote from: ironbite on November 08, 2020, 09:23:41 am
Its a problem Democrats have.  If they feel they can't win in certain areas, they just don't waste the money.  It's a pragmatic view of things and one that anyone can take but I feel that seat was up for grabs.

Ironbite-and as the saying goes, you miss 100% of the shots you don't take.

She did briefly have an opponent. He dropped out of the race and moved out of the state suddenly.
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