Arkansas Heartbeat Bill

[Rabbit of Caerbannog]

Ever since the right to procure an abortion was deemed a constitutionally-protected right by the Supreme Court in Roe v. Wade (and more or less reiterated in Planned Parenthood v. Casey), the anti-choice pro-life movement has concocted a slew of inventive ways to restrict womens' reproductive rights in the U.S. One of these measures, known informally as the "Heartbeat Bill", would "ban most abortions if a fetal heartbeat is detected within six weeks of a pregnancy." Any doctor found in violation of this law would be charged with a Class D Felony, and could be sentenced to six years in prison and slapped with a fine of up to $10,000. In order to detect a heartbeat at such an early stage of the pregnancy, an invasive probing of the woman's vagina would most likely be necessary. How fitting, then, that State Senator Jason Rapert (seen here decrying the rule of dirty minorities) is the bill's chief sponsor. Frankly, his Twitter background should've tipped us off.

[Captain Jack Harkness]

So out of curiosity, how accurate are the invasive probings that I've heard about?

[Auggziliary]

Isn't a fetus's heartbeat not technically a heart at first?

[Sleepy]

So out of curiosity, how accurate are the invasive probings that I've heard about?

Not sure what you mean by accurate, but I had an ultrasound (to test for a medical condition, not for pregnancy) and they shove a wand in your vagina and twist it around. It's not fun.

[Dakota Bob]

I have a better idea for a heartbeat bill. if a politician suggests another fucking heartbeat bill, you can punch them to death.

[Captain Jack Harkness]

So out of curiosity, how accurate are the invasive probings that I've heard about?

Not sure what you mean by accurate, but I had an ultrasound (to test for a medical condition, not for pregnancy) and they shove a wand in your vagina and twist it around. It's not fun.

Well, I mean "How good is it at detecting an actual heartbeat with a high rate of precision?"  How effective is the actual ultrasound.  For that matter, what affect (if any) does it have on the fetus?

You mention that the ultrasound thing isn't fun.  So that raises one question for me.  With the way new discoveries are being made in science, will there ever be a new and less invasive technique that could do the same thing as these ultrasounds?

[ironbite]

Because gotta punish the whores.

Ironbite-it's the only way they'll learn.

[Cerim Treascair]

I'll make the low-lying joke here, since no one else has:

"The guy even has 'Rape' in his name! No wonder he's all for this!"

[Rabbit of Caerbannog]

I'll make the low-lying joke here, since no one else has:

"The guy even has 'Rape' in his name! No wonder he's all for this!"

It's on his Twitter background. So I beat everyone to it 

EDIT:

[Vypernight]

Whenever they come up with a stupid anti-abortion/anti-gay bill, I feel as if it's a way to distract people from the fact that they have no fucking clue what to do to fix the economy without screwing themselves over.

And they wonder why they lost the last election.

[Old Viking]

They're going to look for a fetal heartbeat in an embryo?  Go, Arkansas.  Soooo-ey!

[Captain Jack Harkness]

So out of curiosity, how accurate are the invasive probings that I've heard about?

Not sure what you mean by accurate, but I had an ultrasound (to test for a medical condition, not for pregnancy) and they shove a wand in your vagina and twist it around. It's not fun.

Well, I mean "How good is it at detecting an actual heartbeat with a high rate of precision?"  How effective is the actual ultrasound.  For that matter, what affect (if any) does it have on the fetus?

You mention that the ultrasound thing isn't fun.  So that raises one question for me.  With the way new discoveries are being made in science, will there ever be a new and less invasive technique that could do the same thing as these ultrasounds?

You know, nobody trying to really address posts like this is the very fucking reason I started the "On Trivializing Abortion" thread.  FFS.  I understand that you guys don't like this, but I have questions that would be cool to be answered.  Hell, I think that you'd do right by helping people with real questions by addressing them.  That is, instead of mocking this bill, maybe you should actually fucking help people understand why it's so shitty.

[Sleepy]

So out of curiosity, how accurate are the invasive probings that I've heard about?

Not sure what you mean by accurate, but I had an ultrasound (to test for a medical condition, not for pregnancy) and they shove a wand in your vagina and twist it around. It's not fun.

Well, I mean "How good is it at detecting an actual heartbeat with a high rate of precision?"  How effective is the actual ultrasound.  For that matter, what affect (if any) does it have on the fetus?

You mention that the ultrasound thing isn't fun.  So that raises one question for me.  With the way new discoveries are being made in science, will there ever be a new and less invasive technique that could do the same thing as these ultrasounds?

You know, nobody trying to really address posts like this is the very fucking reason I started the "On Trivializing Abortion" thread.  FFS.  I understand that you guys don't like this, but I have questions that would be cool to be answered.  Hell, I think that you'd do right by helping people with real questions by addressing them.  That is, instead of mocking this bill, maybe you should actually fucking help people understand why it's so shitty.

Dude, you only posted it a few hours ago. One, people may not feel like immediately researching that subject, and two, such a bill is so enraging that it's hard to avoid initially mocking it.

[Rabbit of Caerbannog]

So out of curiosity, how accurate are the invasive probings that I've heard about?

Not sure what you mean by accurate, but I had an ultrasound (to test for a medical condition, not for pregnancy) and they shove a wand in your vagina and twist it around. It's not fun.

Well, I mean "How good is it at detecting an actual heartbeat with a high rate of precision?"  How effective is the actual ultrasound.  For that matter, what affect (if any) does it have on the fetus?

You mention that the ultrasound thing isn't fun.  So that raises one question for me.  With the way new discoveries are being made in science, will there ever be a new and less invasive technique that could do the same thing as these ultrasounds?

You know, nobody trying to really address posts like this is the very fucking reason I started the "On Trivializing Abortion" thread.  FFS.  I understand that you guys don't like this, but I have questions that would be cool to be answered.  Hell, I think that you'd do right by helping people with real questions by addressing them.  That is, instead of mocking this bill, maybe you should actually fucking help people understand why it's so shitty.

I viewed it as one of those bills that was self-evidently shitty. From a constitutional perspective, there's no way this could pass the undue burden test laid out by Casey. It's just a fail from the get-go.

[Sylvana]

So out of curiosity, how accurate are the invasive probings that I've heard about?

Not sure what you mean by accurate, but I had an ultrasound (to test for a medical condition, not for pregnancy) and they shove a wand in your vagina and twist it around. It's not fun.

Well, I mean "How good is it at detecting an actual heartbeat with a high rate of precision?"  How effective is the actual ultrasound.  For that matter, what affect (if any) does it have on the fetus?

You mention that the ultrasound thing isn't fun.  So that raises one question for me.  With the way new discoveries are being made in science, will there ever be a new and less invasive technique that could do the same thing as these ultrasounds?

The thing is, those questions are irrelevant within the debate of abortion. regardless of the medical technologies invasive nature or accuracy the final choice still belongs to the woman involved. As such, all things like these bills and the person-hood bills do is attempt to shame, guilt trip, badger and traumatize pregnant women as well as deny access to healthcare for poor women.

If the technology becomes much more accurate and less invasive it would be great for any pregnant woman especially those who wish to see how the development is going and such, however doing such things with women who are trying to seek an abortion is just plain anti-woman abuse.