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Re: Ferguson murder
« Reply #75 on: August 17, 2014, 10:17:57 am »
I hate to sound naive, but don't cops have tazers and/or pepper spray and/or a baton for dealing with criminals in a non-lethal way?

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(I almost misspelled shotgun as "shitgun", but autocorrect caught it.)
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Re: Ferguson murder
« Reply #76 on: August 17, 2014, 10:37:46 am »
I hate to sound naive, but don't cops have tazers and/or pepper spray and/or a baton for dealing with criminals in a non-lethal way?

... And beanbag shotgun shells, LRAD, pepperballs...

(I almost misspelled shotgun as "shitgun", but autocorrect caught it.)
I meant that even if the kid was charging at him he should have been able to deal with him via tazer or something.

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Re: Ferguson murder
« Reply #77 on: August 17, 2014, 12:26:42 pm »
I hate to sound naive, but don't cops have tazers and/or pepper spray and/or a baton for dealing with criminals in a non-lethal way?

... And beanbag shotgun shells, LRAD, pepperballs...

(I almost misspelled shotgun as "shitgun", but autocorrect caught it.)
I meant that even if the kid was charging at him he should have been able to deal with him via tazer or something.

They do. Not all officers carry all less-lethal options, but it's highly doubtful that Wilson had nothing but a handgun to subdue criminals.

Also, the ongoing claim is that Brown attempted to grab Wilson's gun and that escalated the situation to require deadly force. Never mind the improbability of this claim (Wilson was sitting in his car when it occurred, which would have required Brown to reach around Wilson's body to try and yank it out of a retention holster that likely would not give up the gun at all to him), the situation would have deescalated as soon as Brown was no longer attempting to gain control of the gun. There's no legal justification for shooting him purely for grabbing at the gun unless he's in the process of taking it when shot.

Of course, we live in a world where "the ground under your feet" and "the curb" are classified as deadly weapons and someone punching you in the face is now cause for deadly force.
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Re: Ferguson murder
« Reply #78 on: August 17, 2014, 12:54:12 pm »
The report from the police are that Brown and the officer were struggling in the car when the first shot took place, the officer than continued to fire as Brown fled.  The whole incident probably took only a few seconds, if it did play out as the police said.  In that case the officer is not going to be guilty of any wrongdoing.  Brown being 35 feet away is not going to matter.  Police are trained that once they decide to use dealy force to continue until the threat is neutralized.
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Re: Ferguson murder
« Reply #79 on: August 17, 2014, 01:28:30 pm »
The report from the police are that Brown and the officer were struggling in the car when the first shot took place, the officer than continued to fire as Brown fled.  The whole incident probably took only a few seconds, if it did play out as the police said.  In that case the officer is not going to be guilty of any wrongdoing.  Brown being 35 feet away is not going to matter.  Police are trained that once they decide to use dealy force to continue until the threat is neutralized.

No, police are trained to use deadly force against someone who is a threat that requires deadly force. As soon as the situation deescalates, they must stop attempting to kill the target. If someone is holding a knife and you shoot them and they drop the knife after being shot, you can no longer shoot them.

As soon as the unarmed Brown fled, he was no longer a threat that required deadly force and nothing will make shooting him legal except the ridiculous corruption in our legal system.

This is the same police department that arrested the wrong man, held him in a one-person cell with another inmate, beat him until he had a concussion and charged him with property destruction for bleeding on their uniforms, then let him go.

This is the same country in which a federal court dismissed the charges against the officers despite them perjuring themselves on the stand, as it determined that the perjury and injuries were "too minor" to bother dealing with.

In short, ha ha fuck your statement. Cops can easily get away with illegal actions as long as the courts keep letting them get away with it and apologists keep trying to excuse their behavior. Police officers are the only people in the world who can shoot an unarmed person while they're fleeing or surrendering and they get people trying to excuse their behavior instead of prosecuting them.
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Re: Ferguson murder
« Reply #80 on: August 17, 2014, 01:45:22 pm »
Not to mention that Brown and the police officer were struggling in the first place because the police officer attempted to drag him into the car.

It was the police officer who initiated conflict in the first place.  All because a couple of black people were walking down the middle of the street.
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Re: Ferguson murder
« Reply #81 on: August 17, 2014, 01:54:33 pm »
Not to mention that Brown and the police officer were struggling in the first place because the police officer attempted to drag him into the car.

It was the police officer who initiated conflict in the first place.  All because a couple of black people were walking down the middle of the street.

That is one of the other things that does not make sense.  Unless you are competing in a Brazilian Jiu Jitsu you don't try and pull someone on top of you.   
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Re: Ferguson murder
« Reply #82 on: August 17, 2014, 02:32:22 pm »
Not to mention that Brown and the police officer were struggling in the first place because the police officer attempted to drag him into the car.

It was the police officer who initiated conflict in the first place.  All because a couple of black people were walking down the middle of the street.

That is one of the other things that does not make sense.  Unless you are competing in a Brazilian Jiu Jitsu you don't try and pull someone on top of you.   

You're assuming the policeman acted with logic instead of emotion.
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Re: Ferguson murder
« Reply #83 on: August 17, 2014, 03:40:09 pm »
The report from the police are that Brown and the officer were struggling in the car when the first shot took place, the officer than continued to fire as Brown fled.  The whole incident probably took only a few seconds, if it did play out as the police said.  In that case the officer is not going to be guilty of any wrongdoing.  Brown being 35 feet away is not going to matter.  Police are trained that once they decide to use dealy force to continue until the threat is neutralized.
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Re: Ferguson murder
« Reply #84 on: August 17, 2014, 08:18:01 pm »
The report from the police are that Brown and the officer were struggling in the car when the first shot took place, the officer than continued to fire as Brown fled.  The whole incident probably took only a few seconds, if it did play out as the police said.  In that case the officer is not going to be guilty of any wrongdoing.  Brown being 35 feet away is not going to matter.  Police are trained that once they decide to use dealy force to continue until the threat is neutralized.
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Re: Ferguson murder
« Reply #85 on: August 17, 2014, 08:18:59 pm »
That's the thing that struck me too...whatever version he either was shot while running away (no threat) or  surrendering with his hands up (no threat).

Regardless of the intervening events it sounds like murder/manslaughter to me. Also incredibly bad policing to fire randomly after a fleeing suspect. The police should be banned from watching Holywood cop movies.

Although this reminds me of the Naked Gun movie I saw on TV last night where Lelsie Nielsen says: "To think the next time I shoot a man I could be charged with murder!"
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Re: Ferguson murder
« Reply #86 on: August 17, 2014, 10:43:28 pm »
Frankly, with this cops, at this point I wouldn't believe them if they told me rain was wet.
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Re: Ferguson murder
« Reply #87 on: August 17, 2014, 11:09:15 pm »
Reports are trickling in that the cops are using tear gas and sonic weapons on people walking around town.  2 HOURS BEFORE CURFEW IS SUPPOSED TO START!

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Re: Ferguson murder
« Reply #88 on: August 17, 2014, 11:52:47 pm »
For those with a little faith in humanity left, sorry I have to squelch some of it.

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Re: Ferguson murder
« Reply #89 on: August 17, 2014, 11:54:46 pm »
And you know what type of cops showed up to this one?

BIKE COPS!

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