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Offline mellenORL

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Re: Ferguson murder
« Reply #210 on: September 28, 2014, 12:23:10 pm »
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Ferguson residents complained about the bracelets, which are black with "I am Darren Wilson" in white lettering, at a meeting with federal officials this week.

Love the subtlety of white lettering on black bands. Just scrap the entire Ferguson PD and hire private security companies to patrol, instead. After a few months, poll the residents as to which company they want to buy out and convert into their new police department.




Yup. Much more like it. That's actually a small but highly regarded security company from Atlanta. No body armor. No AR's. No murdering.
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Re: Ferguson murder
« Reply #211 on: September 28, 2014, 01:20:25 pm »
Just scrap the entire Ferguson PD and hire private security companies to patrol, instead.

Not to downplay the ongoing disaster in Ferguson, but that sounds like a disaster waiting to happen. You're trading out a force that is (supposed to be) accountable to the citizens with forces accountable to whatever maximizes profits.

No AR's. No murdering.

New Orleans tried that experiment after Hurricane Katrina and they had a lot of armed goons doing a lot of murdering. I do not trust these companies enough to assume the same thing wouldn't happen again.
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Re: Ferguson murder
« Reply #212 on: September 28, 2014, 01:55:40 pm »
Just scrap the entire Ferguson PD and hire private security companies to patrol, instead.

Not to downplay the ongoing disaster in Ferguson, but that sounds like a disaster waiting to happen. You're trading out a force that is (supposed to be) accountable to the citizens with forces accountable to whatever maximizes profits.

No AR's. No murdering.

New Orleans tried that experiment after Hurricane Katrina and they had a lot of armed goons doing a lot of murdering. I do not trust these companies enough to assume the same thing wouldn't happen again.

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Re: Ferguson murder
« Reply #213 on: September 28, 2014, 02:02:04 pm »
Ironchew, did you see where I suggested that the "winning" security firm would be bought out by the City of Ferguson and the personnel incorporated into a new Department? I meant that as a regular, City government police department. In many states, to qualify for a license, armed security personnel must get their basic training under contract with local Sheriff's or even Highway Patrol police academies...but typically not the full 9 week boot camp, so not enough to "militarize" their mindsets. Any random group of licensed and surety bonded armed security guards could arguably be better than the institutionalized racial profiling, automatic stop-and-frisk, empty-your-clip-at-the-first-imagined-excuse modus operandi of all of the notorious commando PD's we keep seeing in the news. Regardless, just wiping clean an entire "problem" PD is a good idea, since that totally disrupts the interpersonal workplace dynamics that engendered and sustained corruption in the first place. Re-build the PD with all new hires from far outside of the community. And make sure they all pass background checks, personality and psych screening!
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Re: Ferguson murder
« Reply #214 on: September 28, 2014, 02:47:18 pm »
Re-build the PD with all new hires from far outside of the community.

That's just the trick, isn't it? Part of the problem the Ferguson police had in the first place was that a lot of them lived outside the community, which encouraged them to treat the place like a warzone full of scary black men.

Whatever they decide to do over there, the people that live there need to be in control of the process. Private firms are not accountable to them at the end of the day.
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Re: Ferguson murder
« Reply #215 on: September 28, 2014, 03:50:44 pm »
Re-build the PD with all new hires from far outside of the community.

That's just the trick, isn't it? Part of the problem the Ferguson police had in the first place was that a lot of them lived outside the community, which encouraged them to treat the place like a warzone full of scary black men.

Whatever they decide to do over there, the people that live there need to be in control of the process. Private firms are not accountable to them at the end of the day.

Ironchew's right.  I'd say a major cause of police brutality is cops viewing themselves as apart from the community.

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Re: Ferguson murder
« Reply #216 on: September 28, 2014, 06:10:40 pm »
And now a cop's been shot.

http://news.yahoo.com/authorities-police-officer-shot-ferguson-033939406.html

Why do I get the feeling things are gonna get even worse?

The media and Twitter were in hysterics, but the two officers who have been shot were totally unrelated to the protests. One was an off-duty cop out of uniform in their civilian vehicle who had a bullet through the window and the other was pursuing a burglary suspect. They're as related to the protests as every other crime in the town.

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Re-build the PD with all new hires from far outside of the community.

That is the absolute worst idea. Police departments already often suffer from a disconnect between the police and the community, resulting in them viewing the civilians as a group of "others" that they feel little attachment to and simply treat as potential threats. The vast, vast majority of conflict between current Ferguson PD and Ferguson residents is caused by the Ferguson police having little to no connection to the community that they ostensibly protected. A major complaint among Ferguson residents (some of whom I actually talk to over on Something Awful) is that their government is predominately white and has zero connection to the people that they govern. Bringing in an outside security firm to take over policing duties would be about as effective as hiring a PMC to act as your national military.

If you want to solve the town's policing problem, the only way to do that is by populating the police AND the government with Ferguson residents who actually have relationships with the people they serve.
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Re: Ferguson murder
« Reply #217 on: September 28, 2014, 07:29:23 pm »


This is 2014, people...
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Re: Ferguson murder
« Reply #218 on: September 28, 2014, 08:08:48 pm »
Why not just an independent anti-corruption commission outside the police force funded through some revenue stream that cannot be tinkered with by the government and with appointments made on a bipartisan, state-wide, basis?
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Re: Ferguson murder
« Reply #219 on: September 28, 2014, 11:57:22 pm »
So how long until the Ferguson Riots start?
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Re: Ferguson murder
« Reply #220 on: September 29, 2014, 12:24:49 am »
So how long until the Ferguson Riots start?
Huh?

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Re: Ferguson murder
« Reply #221 on: September 29, 2014, 12:32:23 am »
So how long until the Ferguson Riots start?
Huh?

You know, when the Wilson asshole goes free and the whole city explodes. Kinda like the LA Riots from 20 years ago.

No wait, almost exactly like the LA Riots from 20 years ago.
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Re: Ferguson murder
« Reply #222 on: September 29, 2014, 12:45:04 am »
Whenever the Grand Jury comes back.

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Re: Ferguson murder
« Reply #223 on: September 29, 2014, 01:29:23 am »
So how long until the Ferguson Riots start?
Huh?

You know, when the Wilson asshole goes free and the whole city explodes. Kinda like the LA Riots from 20 years ago.

No wait, almost exactly like the LA Riots from 20 years ago.
Doubt that will happen.

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Re: Ferguson murder
« Reply #224 on: September 29, 2014, 08:38:02 am »


This is 2014, people...

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So where's the skepticism towards these people receiving threats?

After all, they can just as easily be faking all of this shit.  Even/especially the syringe.

Somebody started trusting random people on Twitter? After all, the evidence may be there for you to see but it doesn't exist unless you acknowledge it!

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