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Title: What annoys you in video games?
Post by: ironbite on March 29, 2014, 09:26:10 pm
Now this can be anything really.  From story, to characters, to just something that irks you.

Ironbite-I'll give mine in a few.
Title: Re: What annoys you in video games?
Post by: Zygarde on March 29, 2014, 09:39:32 pm
The things that annoys me the most is when games (specifically open world games) don't have skippable tutorials
Title: Re: What annoys you in video games?
Post by: chad sexington on March 29, 2014, 09:44:10 pm
On a similar note, unskippable cutscenes.
Title: Re: What annoys you in video games?
Post by: Alehksunos on March 29, 2014, 10:03:36 pm
The "Pay-to-play" model.

When a game offers a ridiculously long cool down for even basic commands, which can be sped up if you acquire the item that are rare in the game and can be purchased.

I am turned off by games that do this shit.
Title: Re: What annoys you in video games?
Post by: Art Vandelay on March 29, 2014, 10:33:02 pm
Single player features that are only unlockable in multiplayer.
Title: Re: What annoys you in video games?
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on March 29, 2014, 10:36:49 pm
DRM.  Just DRM.
Title: Re: What annoys you in video games?
Post by: chitoryu12 on March 29, 2014, 10:48:44 pm
Games that make you physically touch items to automatically pick them up, but don't have very good detection and then place items on tables or boxes where they're slightly too far for the game to tell that you're picking them up. So you need to awkwardly hop up onto a crate to pick up something within reach.
Title: Re: What annoys you in video games?
Post by: Ghoti on March 30, 2014, 08:01:49 am
Continuity errors. I don't like retons either, but at least it's (usually) acknowledged that "yeah, we said that, but we're not going to continue on that line of thought". But when a game makes errors that could have been prevented by simply glancing at what you already wrote, I'm gonna be fucking pissed.
Title: Re: What annoys you in video games?
Post by: RavynousHunter on March 30, 2014, 09:50:36 am
Continuity errors. I don't like retons either, but at least it's (usually) acknowledged that "yeah, we said that, but we're not going to continue on that line of thought". But when a game makes errors makes errors that could have been prevented by simply glancing at what you already wrote, I'm gonna be fucking pissed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQUVfo_kBMU

Spread the outrage!
Title: Re: What annoys you in video games?
Post by: Danarth on March 30, 2014, 10:01:40 am
Incoherent stories.

I can handle a minimal story, so long as it is coherent.
Title: Re: What annoys you in video games?
Post by: SpaceProg on March 30, 2014, 10:25:52 am
Most of the things I could think of have been said, so...

Lack of variety in enemies and environments.
Title: Re: What annoys you in video games?
Post by: Dakota Bob on March 30, 2014, 11:24:04 am
Bad voice acting. That can really ruin an experience
Title: Re: What annoys you in video games?
Post by: I am lizard on March 30, 2014, 01:30:46 pm
/trilby/ when bitched don't show their tits /trilby/
Title: Re: What annoys you in video games?
Post by: Vypernight on March 30, 2014, 04:21:51 pm
On a similar note, unskippable cutscenes.

THIS so much.  Also, having 2-3 actions assigned to the same button (such as ME3's roll/attach to wall), way more focus on multiplayer than SP even when SP is available in the game (Payday 2), enemies that lvl up with you (Dead Island, Oblivion), lack of save spots.
Title: Re: What annoys you in video games?
Post by: Alehksunos on March 30, 2014, 04:43:32 pm
Bad voice acting. That can really ruin an experience

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5FTJxfV3pc

(I really seriously felt like posting that video at the right moment.)

Also, in older games, doors that are open, yet you cannot enter them, so they serve no purpose.

But really seriously, when there are even doors and they are just details. We players are naturally drawn to rooms in video games and when there is nothing, there is no reason they should be there.

(I am looking at you, Half-life 2 and Portal 1 & 2. I know where Valve were going in those games, realism and realistic proportions of buildings, yada yada...)
Title: Re: What annoys you in video games?
Post by: Flying Mint Bunny! on March 30, 2014, 04:59:39 pm
I hate games where the direction buttons are mixed up and you have to press the down button to go up.

My brain just can't handle it.

I also agree with the unskippable cut scenes. It's really annoying when you know how you fucked up and want to go straight back to the game, but instead you just feel the knowledge slowly leaking out of you whilst you rewatch a cut scene for the billionth time.
Title: Re: What annoys you in video games?
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on March 30, 2014, 05:01:41 pm
Bad voice acting. That can really ruin an experience

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5FTJxfV3pc
I don't think that counts, since it was intentionally awful.
Title: Re: What annoys you in video games?
Post by: Alehksunos on March 30, 2014, 05:31:50 pm
They fucked that up on purpose?

Wow.
Title: Re: What annoys you in video games?
Post by: Igor on March 30, 2014, 06:00:33 pm
If you watch the scene in context, it's quite obvious. Tidus is upset, and Yuna says that forcing a smile/laugh always helps her feel better, so he does, but you'll notice it's so ridiculous they break into real laughter right afterwards. Also he rest of the group looks at them like they lost their minds right after, so..

Why yes, it is one of my favourite games, why do you ask?
Title: Re: What annoys you in video games?
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on March 30, 2014, 06:02:26 pm
If you watch the scene in context, it's quite obvious. Tidus is upset, and Yuna says that forcing a smile/laugh always helps her feel better, so he does, but you'll notice it's so ridiculous they break into real laughter right afterwards. Also he rest of the group looks at them like they lost their minds right after, so..

Why yes, it is one of my favourite games, why do you ask?
Exactly.
Title: Re: What annoys you in video games?
Post by: Patches on March 30, 2014, 06:03:39 pm
Buying really expensive equipment that turns out to be worse than what you've already got, due to not being able to see the equipment's stats before you buy it.

Along the same vein, buying a really expensive item, then proceeding a little ways into the game only to have an NPC give you the same thing or better for free.
Title: Re: What annoys you in video games?
Post by: chitoryu12 on March 30, 2014, 06:12:08 pm
Surprisingly, the most annoying unskippable cutscenes for me are the ones in Call of Duty. Specifically the Black Ops series.

Why?

Because it's not really a game you play for the cutscenes. Black Ops II made better strides toward an interactive experience instead of being 100% scripted from start to finish and has the most detailed storyline of all the games, but you still play them because they're dumb action movies where you blow shit up and shoot a dozen people as a response to a stubbed toe, and if you get shot in the head with a .50 BMG rifle you just duck behind a wall to catch your breath for a few seconds and it heals itself.

The games are basically the next step up from the original Doom in terms of gameplay and are meant to be replayed multiple times, and unskippable cutscenes just break up the fun parts. Black Ops 1 is a major offender, because the game will suddenly flash forward to the interrogation room in the middle of gameplay.
Title: Re: What annoys you in video games?
Post by: Igor on March 30, 2014, 06:15:44 pm
Also, as long as were talking about cutscenes, one word for ya: Xenosaga.
Title: Re: What annoys you in video games?
Post by: Sleepy on March 30, 2014, 06:40:09 pm
Bad AI can really kill a game. The worst is when your goal is to keep another character alive, usually during an escort, and the character enjoys blindly walking towards your enemies rather than having any sort of sensible reaction like fighting or fleeing. The game becomes painfully frustrating and difficult at that point, and you end up hating that potentially likeable character.
Title: Re: What annoys you in video games?
Post by: SpaceProg on March 30, 2014, 08:54:25 pm
^  "Dammit, woman!  Stop hitting those baby head things and come the hell on!   That's it, no purse or riding crop for you..."

If you play lots of horror type games and don't know what I'm talking about... you're probably more sane for it.
Title: Re: What annoys you in video games?
Post by: Alehksunos on March 30, 2014, 10:45:19 pm
And yet another set of current pet peeves of mine in gaming:

Title: Re: What annoys you in video games?
Post by: Dakota Bob on March 31, 2014, 12:01:39 am
I hate that I found out pretty much all DVD covers now use the blue/teal and orange combo, because now I CAN'T STOP SEEING IT
Title: Re: What annoys you in video games?
Post by: chitoryu12 on March 31, 2014, 01:27:01 am
  • Games that try to follow nostalgic graphics, notably from the NES and SNES era. It does not turn me off outright, but I have had enough of these games and almost everything faux-retro as it is becoming so overdone. Also, if you developers are all are doing "Retraux" graphics games, where is my faux-Playstation-era game of my dreams?

You ever noticed how the "retro" games exclusively go for 8 bit or more primitive? When are we going to reach the point where "retro" games are copying the graphics and style of the Nintendo 64?

I'll be happy when "retro" is like, PS2.
Title: Re: What annoys you in video games?
Post by: Stormwarden on March 31, 2014, 01:53:56 am
Any game where you have to lose a fight to progress the story. I like the Disgaea games, but can't help but hate the fact that I have to throw fights in order to progress the plot.
Title: Re: What annoys you in video games?
Post by: Askold on March 31, 2014, 02:20:37 am
Any game where you have to lose a fight to progress the story. I like the Disgaea games, but can't help but hate the fact that I have to throw fights in order to progress the plot.

That can be done in a good way or bad way. If it is just a fight that starts and cannot be won it has to be over quickly. Maybe have the fightscene start and the main villain one hit KO's everyone. At least then it won't be a long and painful experience and it does the job of showing that the villain is just so much better than the hero.

EXAMPLE: The player is some 10 year old brat who has just seen his parents murdered by the BBEG and picks up his/her fathers sword and challenges the villain. 10 second fight and later he wakes up being treated by some old guy who becomes his mentor and helps him/her through the tutorials (which can be skipped,) Insert themontage of hero growing up and you have a decent (if cliche) start of an adventure rpg.

Or if it is dragged out fight the objective should be something other than winning.

EXAMPLE: A pretty good one is one of the Lich king fights in WoW. The players finally reach the Lich king and try to defeat him but it turns out that they are utterly outmatched and instead spend the rest of the fight running away. I like the whole idea of that fight as it shows that the villain is really powerful but the players can "win" as  they fight their way through the lesser mooks and escape from the BBEG.

EXAMPLE B: The base of the heroes is attacked by a superiour enemy force and they must fight their way out and evade capture. Again, this would either be near the start of the game and the next part would be rebuilding the forces of the heroes (maybe this is the point where the player takes command of the ragtag bunch) or it would be near the end and the next part would be the final desperate push at the enemies main fortress.
Title: Re: What annoys you in video games?
Post by: Art Vandelay on March 31, 2014, 02:38:21 am
You ever noticed how the "retro" games exclusively go for 8 bit or more primitive? When are we going to reach the point where "retro" games are copying the graphics and style of the Nintendo 64?
Probably because you can make 2D sprite based graphics (particularly 16-bit style graphics) look rather nice with a bit of competence. 1st generation 3D, on the other hand, just looks like total ass. Nothing short of a master artist can make that shit look good.
Title: Re: What annoys you in video games?
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on March 31, 2014, 08:59:24 am
You ever noticed how the "retro" games exclusively go for 8 bit or more primitive? When are we going to reach the point where "retro" games are copying the graphics and style of the Nintendo 64?
Probably because you can make 2D sprite based graphics (particularly 16-bit style graphics) look rather nice with a bit of competence. 1st generation 3D, on the other hand, just looks like total ass. Nothing short of a master artist can make that shit look good.
That, and maybe it's not nostalgic enough yet.
Title: Re: What annoys you in video games?
Post by: IanC on March 31, 2014, 10:04:50 am
Day one patches for console games.
Forced installs for console games.
Paid DLC that has to be bought or else you can't access the majority of the online modes.
The fact that games still can't be used as a story telling medium when it comes to sex/love.
The fact that there is no Start button the PS4 control.
Germany forcing us in the rest of the EU to have censored games (looking at Beyond Two Souls and South Park Stick of Truth here).
Steam sales, meaning i have too many games in an already too big backlog.
Replacing voice actors for stunt casting purposes. (MGS5, I'm looking at you).
GTA. Just... GTA.
Whiny voiced American kids playing games that are rated too high for them.
People that think Japan makes better games.

Err, sure theres more.

Oh wait, one more, games that are released on disc/cart in one area, but download only in others.
Title: Re: What annoys you in video games?
Post by: chitoryu12 on March 31, 2014, 10:10:46 am
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Paid DLC that has to be bought or else you can't access the majority of the online modes.

Ubisoft and I think some other companies have started doing that as part of an attempt to make money from used games. You need an "online pass" to access the online modes (or in some cases advance farther than an arbitrary limit in multiplayer), which is normally included in the price of the game; you buy the game and there's a slip inside the case with the code you need to enter to unlock it.

Should you buy the game used (like I did with Far Cry 3), however, you're SOL if that paper is missing. And I'm willing to bet that the codes are one-use, so they can't be entered if the previous owner used it. Which forces you to spend $10 on a new one.
Title: Re: What annoys you in video games?
Post by: Veras on March 31, 2014, 03:08:48 pm
I love open-world games, but they can be somewhat overwhelming if there are too many quests.  Skyrim is the worst offender that I've seen at this.  You can hardly walk through the woods without coming across a mysterious leaf with an ancient and powerful spell written on it.  And it seems like about every third person that you meet offers you gold in exchange for carrying something somewhere.
Title: Re: What annoys you in video games?
Post by: Dakota Bob on March 31, 2014, 04:45:02 pm
Also, if you don't include an FOV slider in your graphics option, you deserve to be beaten with a stick. Just tried playing Bioshock 2 on PC and my eyes couldn't handle more than 30 minutes. now I gotta dick around in some .ini files.
Title: Re: What annoys you in video games?
Post by: chitoryu12 on March 31, 2014, 08:49:52 pm
I love open-world games, but they can be somewhat overwhelming if there are too many quests.  Skyrim is the worst offender that I've seen at this.  You can hardly walk through the woods without coming across a mysterious leaf with an ancient and powerful spell written on it.  And it seems like about every third person that you meet offers you gold in exchange for carrying something somewhere.

One of the available mods for Skyrim is actually something to fix that. You still hear rumors and such around the realm, but stuff doesn't enter your quest journal unless you specifically seek it out based on what you overhear or if you actually willingly talk to someone and take a job from them.
Title: Re: What annoys you in video games?
Post by: Veras on March 31, 2014, 11:16:05 pm
I don't usually do mods.  Can you get them for PS3, because that sounds great?
Title: Re: What annoys you in video games?
Post by: chitoryu12 on March 31, 2014, 11:35:16 pm
I don't usually do mods.  Can you get them for PS3, because that sounds great?

Not unless you have a physically modified console, which is a good way to get yourself banned from PSN.
Title: Re: What annoys you in video games?
Post by: IanC on April 01, 2014, 12:09:26 pm
Replacing voice actors for stunt casting purposes. (MGS5, I'm looking at you).
Now I've played Ground Zeroes, I can say Sutherland was alright, but i stand by this.
Title: Re: What annoys you in video games?
Post by: RavynousHunter on April 01, 2014, 04:12:32 pm
Of course, Ground Zeroes comes rightfully under fire for potentially setting a rather dangerous precedent: paying near-full price for what amounts to a demo.
Title: Re: What annoys you in video games?
Post by: chitoryu12 on April 01, 2014, 09:23:37 pm
Of course, Ground Zeroes comes rightfully under fire for potentially setting a rather dangerous precedent: paying near-full price for what amounts to a demo.

Who the hell paid full near full price? I got mine two days after release for $20 on PSN, and Xbox Live had it for the same price.
Title: Re: What annoys you in video games?
Post by: RavynousHunter on April 02, 2014, 08:27:30 am
Of course, Ground Zeroes comes rightfully under fire for potentially setting a rather dangerous precedent: paying near-full price for what amounts to a demo.

Who the hell paid full near full price? I got mine two days after release for $20 on PSN, and Xbox Live had it for the same price.

Even then, that's about twice what the demo is worth in terms of reasonable play time, not playing it until you know every tiny detail of the map down to the brown stains on the backs of your enemies' pants.

I get wanting to recoup some of the costs of making a huge game like this, and selling a demo is a fair way to do it and to drum up expectation at the same time.  However, if its release price is above $5-10 US, then unless you're a hardcore fan, you're likely getting screwed out of your money.  This is especially true if a newbie to the franchise can best all your content in less than 4 hours.  What's there looks amazing, but there's so little of it that its not worth asking above $10.  But, since its Kojima, since you guys haven't gotten a new Metal Gear Solid in a long time, the incredibly poor value seems to be ignored by a lot of people.

I dunno, maybe I'm finally becoming old, but I seem to distinctly remember a time, not too long ago, when demos were mostly free, or at most cost as much as the magazine with which they were bundled.  Again, I get wanting to recoup your costs for making a huge game, but I...I just can't find myself agreeing with paying for a fucking demo.  Red Faction: Guerrilla had a demo, and it was fucking free!  I got my demo of Thief II, which introduced me to a franchise I've been in love with ever since, from an issue of PC Gaming magazine.

[Separate Rant]
Another thing that irritates the fuck outta me?  Companies that spend more time developing a cadre of features, many of which are only half-working at release, instead of fixing glaring issues in their game.  The worst offender has got to be Mojang.  Having talked to mod makers and seen/heard/read commentary from some of the Minecraft Forge team, I have come to the inescapable conclusion that Minecraft's greatest core problem is Mojang and its nearly-criminal incompetence.

They focus so much on so many near-worthless features like horses and the villages that are only made useful thru mods instead of their barely working engine that chokes under the strain of its own content.  It has almost no multithreading to speak of, I believe the latest report was that Minecraft runs in a staggering two threads.  This means that even if you had an eight-core CPU, you'd have fuck all for performance if it doesn't have exceptional per-thread performance.  Threading was fucking created to make things more efficient: you break up a single, monolithic program into smaller strands of execution that can all run asynchronously, dividing the workload up and improving performance.  This is not rocket surgery; I've bothered to look it up, and Java makes threading almost as simple as C# does, which is to say that its about as close to piss-easy as one can make threading.

Their rendering engine is, according to Reika (author of RotaryCraft), still a largely broken, half-working mess that lags under the horrific strain of a model more complex than a fucking piston.  Their sound engine is still an immense source of ungodly amounts of lag, likely also attributable to the fact they seem to think Ogg is anything other than a joke format made by the FOSS crowd.

These are problems that have existed, as far as I can find, since the dawn of fucking Minecraft.  A game that forces a GPU to chug a metaphorical can of Monster to keep up while running with a texture resolution lower than the first-gen 3D consoles, all while using the most simplistic graphical approach available: volumetric pixels, also known as voxels.  This game is so fucking simplistic, why the fuck does it lag my machine more than fucking Guild Wars 2?  Oh, right...GUILD WARS 2 WAS MADE BY A TEAM OF FUCKING COMPETENT PROGRAMMERS, THAT'S WHY.
Title: Re: What annoys you in video games?
Post by: chitoryu12 on April 02, 2014, 10:53:37 am
I really don't view it as a "demo." The main mission provides about 2 hours of content the first time you play it and you can get another few hours out of the side ops. The total play time just to beat every mission once (including the bonus mission) is about as much time as it'll take you to beat the campaign on Black Ops II. The game is also streamlined and set up for replayability, with rankings for unlocks and leaderboards to encourage replaying the missions for better times.

I'd call it a demo if it was nothing but that initial story mission. In terms of actual content, it's on par or above a lot of indie games that charge that much. Actual demos ARE available for free download on PSN and Xbox Live, by the way, and are correspondingly much shorter and have less replay factor than Ground Zeroes. I would know, since I actually tried them.
Title: Re: What annoys you in video games?
Post by: R. U. Sirius on April 05, 2014, 11:37:35 am
  • Games that try to follow nostalgic graphics, notably from the NES and SNES era. It does not turn me off outright, but I have had enough of these games and almost everything faux-retro as it is becoming so overdone. Also, if you developers are all are doing "Retraux" graphics games, where is my faux-Playstation-era game of my dreams?

You ever noticed how the "retro" games exclusively go for 8 bit or more primitive? When are we going to reach the point where "retro" games are copying the graphics and style of the Nintendo 64?

I'll be happy when "retro" is like, PS2.

I don't know if it really counts, but the PS3 network has some PS1 and PS2 games that you can download.
Title: Re: What annoys you in video games?
Post by: chitoryu12 on April 05, 2014, 09:31:01 pm
  • Games that try to follow nostalgic graphics, notably from the NES and SNES era. It does not turn me off outright, but I have had enough of these games and almost everything faux-retro as it is becoming so overdone. Also, if you developers are all are doing "Retraux" graphics games, where is my faux-Playstation-era game of my dreams?

You ever noticed how the "retro" games exclusively go for 8 bit or more primitive? When are we going to reach the point where "retro" games are copying the graphics and style of the Nintendo 64?

I'll be happy when "retro" is like, PS2.

I don't know if it really counts, but the PS3 network has some PS1 and PS2 games that you can download.

Yeah, but they're not really treated as "retro" yet. In the public's mind, that still means 80s and early 90s.
Title: Re: What annoys you in video games?
Post by: TheL on April 28, 2014, 07:03:04 pm
Stealth missions in a non-stealth game.  I'm looking at you, Zelda series!

Also, the only escort mission I've ever played that doesn't blow donkeys was in A Link Between Worlds, in the Thieves' Hideout level.  Mainly because most of the rooms let you tell her to STAND STILL in this nice safe spot while you whale on enemies for a sec.
Title: Re: What annoys you in video games?
Post by: Cerim Treascair on April 28, 2014, 07:12:23 pm
I've had this discussion in Skype chats, mainly in regards to Dishonored and Deus Ex: Human Revolution.

*ahem* Dear game devs:

Do not motherfucking give us 38 ways to kill motherfuckers in a variety of gleeful and entertaining situations, then fucking punish us by giving us the worst ending because we didn't use one of four pieces of gear/tools/dropping an unconscious enemy too hard onto the ground and kept the kill count below 2 motherfuckers per level.  If it's perfectly valid to stealth for a challenge, it's just as perfectly valid to murder fucking everything that opposes you.
Title: Re: What annoys you in video games?
Post by: Vypernight on April 28, 2014, 07:27:42 pm
Dead Island and collision detection.  Every bullet misses a zombie approaching me, but it hits every time when attacking me.  Also, I enter a room; no zombies.  I shut the door and get mauled to death by a zombie that clipped through the wall. 

Seriiously, this is a game I both love playing and hate playing at the same time.  I really hope they fix those problems and don't add new ones in Dying Light.
Title: Re: What annoys you in video games?
Post by: Veras on April 28, 2014, 07:34:17 pm
Quest items that cannot be removed from your inventory, but still take up space/weight.  Especially if the quest is over, but you still can't get rid of it.
Title: Re: What annoys you in video games?
Post by: RavynousHunter on April 28, 2014, 07:41:12 pm
Dead Island and collision detection.  Every bullet misses a zombie approaching me, but it hits every time when attacking me.  Also, I enter a room; no zombies.  I shut the door and get mauled to death by a zombie that clipped through the wall. 

Seriiously, this is a game I both love playing and hate playing at the same time.  I really hope they fix those problems and don't add new ones in Dying Light.

Fuck, that's god damned nothing compared to what I've had to deal with.  There's a bunch of medical tents (that you conveniently can't get into) in a section of the city that infinitely spawns zombies out of a nearby window.  How do I know its a specific window?  Because I went into that very window to setup an ambush, and it was totally empty.  THEN, a fucking zombie literally appears right the fuck next to me.  Like, I didn't just miss him coming in, I saw him spawn the fuck in and start wailing on my ass.  Killed him, and two fucking more popped up, right where he did.  Dead Island's a great game, but god damn, some parts are frustrating as shit.

Also, I get that the co-op is supposed to be a selling point, but did they really have to make it so any motherfucker can join in with the press of a button?  Also, why is it an opt-out option.  Potentially frustrating, alienating features like that should be opt-fucking-in.

I've had this discussion in Skype chats, mainly in regards to Dishonored and Deus Ex: Human Revolution.

*ahem* Dear game devs:

Do not motherfucking give us 38 ways to kill motherfuckers in a variety of gleeful and entertaining situations, then fucking punish us by giving us the worst ending because we didn't use one of four pieces of gear/tools/dropping an unconscious enemy too hard onto the ground and kept the kill count below 2 motherfuckers per level.  If it's perfectly valid to stealth for a challenge, it's just as perfectly valid to murder fucking everything that opposes you.

Sounds like someone's complaining about Hitman.  Absolution does just that, though it makes sense, since 47 is supposed to be a professional.
Title: Re: What annoys you in video games?
Post by: Cerim Treascair on April 28, 2014, 07:44:02 pm

I've had this discussion in Skype chats, mainly in regards to Dishonored and Deus Ex: Human Revolution.

*ahem* Dear game devs:

Do not motherfucking give us 38 ways to kill motherfuckers in a variety of gleeful and entertaining situations, then fucking punish us by giving us the worst ending because we didn't use one of four pieces of gear/tools/dropping an unconscious enemy too hard onto the ground and kept the kill count below 2 motherfuckers per level.  If it's perfectly valid to stealth for a challenge, it's just as perfectly valid to murder fucking everything that opposes you.

Sounds like someone's complaining about Hitman.  Absolution does just that, though it makes sense, since 47 is supposed to be a professional.

No.  It was very specifically Dishonored and Deus Ex: HR.
Title: Re: What annoys you in video games?
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on April 29, 2014, 12:50:25 am
Stealth missions in a non-stealth game.  I'm looking at you, Zelda series!

Also, the only escort mission I've ever played that doesn't blow donkeys was in A Link Between Worlds, in the Thieves' Hideout level.  Mainly because most of the rooms let you tell her to STAND STILL in this nice safe spot while you whale on enemies for a sec.

Stealth & Escort missions are the worst. Just let me barge in and get shit done.

I still have nightmares about Natalia in GoldenEye...
Title: Re: What annoys you in video games?
Post by: RavynousHunter on April 29, 2014, 09:23:01 am

I've had this discussion in Skype chats, mainly in regards to Dishonored and Deus Ex: Human Revolution.

*ahem* Dear game devs:

Do not motherfucking give us 38 ways to kill motherfuckers in a variety of gleeful and entertaining situations, then fucking punish us by giving us the worst ending because we didn't use one of four pieces of gear/tools/dropping an unconscious enemy too hard onto the ground and kept the kill count below 2 motherfuckers per level.  If it's perfectly valid to stealth for a challenge, it's just as perfectly valid to murder fucking everything that opposes you.

Sounds like someone's complaining about Hitman.  Absolution does just that, though it makes sense, since 47 is supposed to be a professional.

No.  It was very specifically Dishonored and Deus Ex: HR.

Aah.  Dunno about the guy from Dishonored, never played it, but it halfway makes sense with Deus Ex.  The original was made by Looking Glass Studios, the same folks that made Thief and gave me this dashing avatar.  Though, the team that did the first Deus Ex likely has nothing to do with the latest...sooooo, I forgot where I was goin with this, lol.

I will agree that forced stealth missions in non-stealth games (like Return to Castle Wolfenstein) are some of the most irritating aspects of those games.  It'd be nice if the stealth were done well, but most of the time its not done at all.  I remember a time in the forced stealth mission of the aforementioned Return to Castle Wolfenstein that my brother and I ended up in a failure loop because we got to a checkpoint right as someone saw us and raised the alarm...meaning we had to start over from the effing beginning, when we were almost freaking done with that bunghole of a mission.
Title: Re: What annoys you in video games?
Post by: Art Vandelay on April 29, 2014, 09:29:25 am
Aah.  Dunno about the guy from Dishonored, never played it, but it halfway makes sense with Deus Ex.  The original was made by Looking Glass Studios, the same folks that made Thief and gave me this dashing avatar.
Eh? The original Deus Ex was developed by Ion Storm. Looking Glass Studios had nothing to do with it.
Title: Re: What annoys you in video games?
Post by: RavynousHunter on April 29, 2014, 09:33:05 am
Aah.  Dunno about the guy from Dishonored, never played it, but it halfway makes sense with Deus Ex.  The original was made by Looking Glass Studios, the same folks that made Thief and gave me this dashing avatar.
Eh? The original Deus Ex was developed by Ion Storm. Looking Glass Studios had nothing to do with it.

Wait...HA.  That's odd, I could've sworn it was amongst the LGS classics.  Learn somethin new every day, lol.

OH!  I might've had it confused with System Shock, that's why.
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Post by: chitoryu12 on April 29, 2014, 10:33:12 am
Stealth missions in a non-stealth game.  I'm looking at you, Zelda series!

Also, the only escort mission I've ever played that doesn't blow donkeys was in A Link Between Worlds, in the Thieves' Hideout level.  Mainly because most of the rooms let you tell her to STAND STILL in this nice safe spot while you whale on enemies for a sec.

Stealth & Escort missions are the worst. Just let me barge in and get shit done.

I still have nightmares about Natalia in GoldenEye...

Soldier of Fortune II pulls that shit more than once. I'm still stuck on a mission because it allows you to go non-stealth, but it throws so many powerful enemies at you that you're pretty much guaranteed to lose.

It also has one fucking awful segment in the second mission where you need to join a group of soldiers. Because you're just a mercenary, they have orders to execute you if you don't follow them. This means that you're forced to stay close to them, as they travel at a snail's pace through the map (literally never faster than a light jog, with repeated stopping for no reason so canned lines about "Recon team.....MOVE" can be said). If you run ahead too far, even during combat, you die instantly.
Title: Re: What annoys you in video games?
Post by: IanC on April 29, 2014, 11:49:48 am
Two words - Lu. Bu.
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Post by: Cloud3514 on April 29, 2014, 02:06:58 pm
I really don't view it as a "demo." The main mission provides about 2 hours of content the first time you play it and you can get another few hours out of the side ops. The total play time just to beat every mission once (including the bonus mission) is about as much time as it'll take you to beat the campaign on Black Ops II. The game is also streamlined and set up for replayability, with rankings for unlocks and leaderboards to encourage replaying the missions for better times.

I'd call it a demo if it was nothing but that initial story mission. In terms of actual content, it's on par or above a lot of indie games that charge that much. Actual demos ARE available for free download on PSN and Xbox Live, by the way, and are correspondingly much shorter and have less replay factor than Ground Zeroes. I would know, since I actually tried them.

Yeah, on the first play through, I beat the Ground Zeroes mission in 70 minutes and 22 seconds. Even if the side missions added 3 hours, the main content is still one to two hours long. This is inexcusable for $20, let alone $30 for a physical copy. You can argue that a Call of Duty game takes less than four hours to get through, but Call of Duty also has potentially limitless play time in multiplayer. Ground Zeroes has no multiplayer. It's an hour of storyline, maybe three hours of side missions and that's it. I don't care how "replayable" it is, it is inexcusable how much they're charging for how little content you get.
Title: Re: What annoys you in video games?
Post by: Katsuro on April 29, 2014, 02:34:48 pm
Quest items that cannot be removed from your inventory, but still take up space/weight.  Especially if the quest is over, but you still can't get rid of it.

Skyrim!  Even worse with Skyrim is quest items you can never get rid of because of a bug that makes it impossible to complete the quest.
Title: Re: What annoys you in video games?
Post by: Iczerfour on April 29, 2014, 02:54:15 pm
Quest items that cannot be removed from your inventory, but still take up space/weight.  Especially if the quest is over, but you still can't get rid of it.

Skyrim!  Even wrose with Skyrim is quest items you can never get rid of because of a bug that makes it impossible to complete the quest.

hence why i learned how to use the command console
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Post by: RavynousHunter on April 29, 2014, 03:50:25 pm
Two words - Lu. Bu.

Pssh, that's Fun Mode.  Damn near everyone else, after a while, becomes a total pushover.  Lu Bu almost always remains fun.
Title: Re: What annoys you in video games?
Post by: Vypernight on April 29, 2014, 03:52:55 pm
Dead Island and collision detection.  Every bullet misses a zombie approaching me, but it hits every time when attacking me.  Also, I enter a room; no zombies.  I shut the door and get mauled to death by a zombie that clipped through the wall. 

Seriiously, this is a game I both love playing and hate playing at the same time.  I really hope they fix those problems and don't add new ones in Dying Light.

Fuck, that's god damned nothing compared to what I've had to deal with.  There's a bunch of medical tents (that you conveniently can't get into) in a section of the city that infinitely spawns zombies out of a nearby window.  How do I know its a specific window?  Because I went into that very window to setup an ambush, and it was totally empty.  THEN, a fucking zombie literally appears right the fuck next to me.  Like, I didn't just miss him coming in, I saw him spawn the fuck in and start wailing on my ass.  Killed him, and two fucking more popped up, right where he did.  Dead Island's a great game, but god damn, some parts are frustrating as shit.




I know the area you're talking about.  Not only do they spawn indefinitely, but they can also climb a couple of the tents and platforms.  Infected are already a pain in the *** in that they can do a crap-load of damage while seemingly dodging all of your attacks.  In that area, they can chase you up a ladder.  Good thing that's not a major quest area.

Title: Re: What annoys you in video games?
Post by: RavynousHunter on April 29, 2014, 06:05:53 pm
Its absolutely HILARIOUS with god mode and 100% boomerang chance for thrown items...and those wonderful bomb-knives you can make.  So many glorious explosions, so much gore, so much happiness.
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Post by: Witchyjoshy on April 29, 2014, 06:40:06 pm
Quest items that cannot be removed from your inventory, but still take up space/weight.  Especially if the quest is over, but you still can't get rid of it.

Skyrim!  Even wrose with Skyrim is quest items you can never get rid of because of a bug that makes it impossible to complete the quest.

hence why i learned how to use the command console

Thankfully, quest items are actually weightless no matter what their displayed weight is.

Still not enough to actually make up for the fact that it just makes your inventory longer, though.
Title: Re: What annoys you in video games?
Post by: Random Gal on April 29, 2014, 10:32:47 pm
The thing that made me stop adding new Pokemon series after Gen 3.

Arbitrary trading restrictions. As in, "You cannot trade with anything except the same 3 games in your region until you've already beaten the game and therefore have no need to."
Title: Re: What annoys you in video games?
Post by: Cloud3514 on April 30, 2014, 01:44:48 am
The thing that made me stop adding new Pokemon series after Gen 3.

Arbitrary trading restrictions. As in, "You cannot trade with anything except the same 3 games in your region until you've already beaten the game and therefore have no need to."

I'm pretty sure those rules were done away with after Gen III as trading in Gen III was kind of a clusterfuck and even Game Freak knew it. Hell, I had a Cyndaquil half-way through my first play through of Diamond.
Title: Re: What annoys you in video games?
Post by: Katsuro on April 30, 2014, 02:01:57 am
Quest items that cannot be removed from your inventory, but still take up space/weight.  Especially if the quest is over, but you still can't get rid of it.

Skyrim!  Even wrose with Skyrim is quest items you can never get rid of because of a bug that makes it impossible to complete the quest.


hence why i learned how to use the command console

Thankfully, quest items are actually weightless no matter what their displayed weight is.

Still not enough to actually make up for the fact that it just makes your inventory longer, though.

Are they?  I didn't know that.  It's still annoying as fuck though.
Title: Re: What annoys you in video games?
Post by: IanC on April 30, 2014, 01:11:20 pm
Two words - Lu. Bu.

Pssh, that's Fun Mode.  Damn near everyone else, after a while, becomes a total pushover.  Lu Bu almost always remains fun.
"fun" fact, first Dynasty Warriors game i played was 7, i didn't know that you weren't meant to go after him. So i did. Took me ages to knock him out, but i did. Well he ran away.

Got an achievement for it, lol.
Title: Re: What annoys you in video games?
Post by: Katsuro on April 30, 2014, 02:12:51 pm
This isn't an annoyance with a game but I'm slightly annoyed with myself that in a game where you can fight dragons, become a vampire and  master magic I've spent the last 2 days moving house.  What's even worse is I can't even say I was bored.
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Post by: MadCatTLX on April 30, 2014, 08:24:15 pm
It's even better when your going through your chests and find cool gear you forgot you put in there to lighten your load a while back.

If you're playing on computer I'm guessing you could used some command to give yourself infinite carrying capacity.
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Post by: Katsuro on May 01, 2014, 06:43:19 am
It's even better when your going through your chests and find cool gear you forgot you put in there to lighten your load a while back.

If you're playing on computer I'm guessing you could used some command to give yourself infinite carrying capacity.

Even better - I thought Lydia had died but it turned out I'd just  forgotten that she'd joined the Blades.  So now I have a Blade as my personal steward, coz that's how I role.

I have both the 360 and PC version (it was stupidly cheap in a Steam sale a while back after my brother already got be the 360 version for my birthday) but I mostly play the 360 version for several reasons including how loud playing modern games makes my PC, so no console commands for me in this isntance.
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Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on May 01, 2014, 09:51:52 am
This isn't an annoyance with a game but I'm slightly annoyed with myself that in a game where you can fight dragons, become a vampire and  master magic I've spent the last 2 days moving house.  What's even worse is I can't even say I was bored.

The worst is when you try to set everything up nicely the first time you try your hand at Skyrim decorating, and come back to find everything you've spent ages trying to place just right all over the floor.
Title: Re: What annoys you in video games?
Post by: Katsuro on May 01, 2014, 10:02:08 am
This isn't an annoyance with a game but I'm slightly annoyed with myself that in a game where you can fight dragons, become a vampire and  master magic I've spent the last 2 days moving house.  What's even worse is I can't even say I was bored.

The worst is when you try to set everything up nicely the first time you try your hand at Skyrim decorating, and come back to find everything you've spent ages trying to place just right all over the floor.

And I still find myself putting everything back knowing full well it's just going to happen again.
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Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on May 01, 2014, 10:45:19 am
If you chuck it all on the ground, leave the house, and then come back, you can place it without issues. It's a major pain in the ass, though.
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Post by: Veras on May 01, 2014, 10:52:33 am
If you chuck it all on the ground, leave the house, and then come back, you can place it without issues. It's a major pain in the ass, though.

Does that even work for getting stuff to stay in display cases?
Title: Re: What annoys you in video games?
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on May 01, 2014, 11:16:51 am
Assuming you're talking about Hearthfire, the display cases are pretty useless and like to randomly delete stuff. There's a mod that tries to make them operate like the ones in the regular homes, but it's pretty glitchy too. I put Nettlebane in one, came back later to find it floating halfway across the room, and then it magically disappeared after I tried to replace it in the case.
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Post by: Veras on May 01, 2014, 11:26:42 am
Yes, Hearthfire (though I've had the problem in the Windhelm house as well).

When stuff magically disappears, check just inside the front door.  I've had things vanish only to appear at the point where I entered the house.  Oddly, this has happened in Fallout 3 and Skyrim.
Title: Re: What annoys you in video games?
Post by: Katsuro on May 01, 2014, 12:31:14 pm
I don't suppose any of you lovely people know how to fix a bug with a maniquin that keeps replicating armour I put on it but took off and replaced with different armor?  I wouldn't mind (hey, free money basically) but it's the replicated armour that's displayed instead of the armour I want to be displayed.

It's the 360 version btw so unofficial patches and console commands can't come to my rescue.
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Post by: Sour Grapes on May 06, 2014, 01:12:11 am
What about the mannequins that move off their pedestals?  That's kind of freaky.
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Post by: Witchyjoshy on May 06, 2014, 01:23:45 am
Some people think it might be a feature instead of a glitch.

It makes for great accidental horror nonetheless.
Title: Re: What annoys you in video games?
Post by: Ghoti on May 06, 2014, 06:58:27 am
Pointless "collect twenty bear asses to advance" type quests in games where that's not the point (so non-mmos). Bioshock (especially Arcadia - god I hate that place), I'm givin' you a double dose of stinkeye here.
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Post by: Askold on May 06, 2014, 07:54:23 am
Pointless "collect twenty bear asses to advance" type quests in games where that's not the point (so non-mmos). Bioshock (especially Arcadia - god I hate that place), I'm givin' you a double dose of stinkeye here.

I can accept "we need X of these to do Y" missions if they have been framed in a plausible way. The thing that really annoys me is when a boss fight is replaced with "press button to win."

The worst offenders are the first Quake and Dino Crisis 2. The latter in particular was rage inducing. They had been making the giant "Terrorsaurus" or something look like a scary boss. It was introduced killing the T-Rex which had originally been made to look like the boss of the game so the expectation is that the fight will be tough...

NOPE. You just run past the boss (who for some reason just stands in the middle of the room invulnerable to your meager weapons) and press a button. Then you run past the boss again to press a button. And then you do it for the third time and watch a video of the dino being killed by an orbital gun.

To further twist the knife in the wound every time you press a button the game gives the generic "HERE BE A BUTTON: DO YOU WISH TO PRESS DA BUTTON? YES? NO?" prompt.

It is literally asking "do you wish to win the game?" Except that even there the only alternatives are "YES" and "NO I'll rather dick around untill I come back and answer YES because it is the only way to proceed."

...Grrr.
Title: Re: What annoys you in video games?
Post by: RavynousHunter on May 06, 2014, 12:42:54 pm
At least its not like the Factions expansion for the first Guild Wars, where you had at least three separate confirmation dialogues to go thru before you could start a mission.  First was in actual dialogue, the second was making sure you were ready, then the third was just there so you could make sure everyone else in the party was ready.  The latter two weren't even framed in the manner of actual dialogue, they were just your standard Yes/No prompts.

"Do you want to enter the mission?"
"Yes, I want to enter the mission."
"Are you SURE you're ready?"
"...That's why I said 'yes' the first time, dolt."
"Are you sure EVERYONE ELSE IS READY?!"
"I WILL PUNCH YOU IN THE SOUL."