I have no context for this, so some links and summaries would be appreciated.This is a good place to start:
Something tells me this is going to be one of the biggest scandals in the history of gaming journalism....Really? If it were actual journalists, maybe. But this is Kotaku we're talking about. If you expect impartial reviews from then, well, you've got rocks in your head.
Also UP, next time you might wanna link to things that not a whole lot of people round here have even heard about. Not everybody is like me and can read minds via computer.
Shit, if you want a prime example of how the industry fucks over the integrity of gaming journalism, look no further than this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfgoDDh4kE0
So it was /pol/s idea to donate to the kickstarter? so right now one part of 4chan is donating to a kickstarter to promote women in gaming, and another part is donating to Micheal Browns killers. hmm.
At least something nice came out of this shitstorm, that's what counts, right?
This whole thing is stupid TBH.
Most of the anger I've seen is a result of the apparent cronyism and suppression of criticism rather than the original issue with Quinn.Yeah, that's basically it.
Oh so I guess I can now safetly ignore whatever UP posts on the forum due to him ignoring a direct question for a citation on his c laims that Zoe Quinn is not in fact her real name and has some form of bearing on this situation.
Ironbite-GOT IT!
I wasn't saying the Rothschilds are evil, just that they're powerful. I was merely giving a comparison.Oh so I guess I can now safetly ignore whatever UP posts on the forum due to him ignoring a direct question for a citation on his c laims that Zoe Quinn is not in fact her real name and has some form of bearing on this situation.
Ironbite-GOT IT!
UP, you are aware that the very name of Rothschild is often used as a totemic folk devil by antisemites everywhere. This dates back to at least the 1800s, making it not a new trend in a antisemitism.
In addition, if there is any bearing to it...I may be interested.
And I was asking for a god damn citation to back up your bullshit claim.You mean the one about there being a story of Quinn being a fake name? The one where he literally posted the video where he heard that story in that post and said that it is a crazy story without evidence to back it up and didn't claim that it is a proven fact?
Only tangentially related, but not meriting a thread of its own:TBF, 4chan makes no sense so it's hard to understand anything they do.
So this article (http://www.vice.com/read/meet-the-female-gamer-mascot-created-by-anti-feminists-828) says: 4chan users hate Zoe Quinn because they are misogynists or antifeminists or something in that vein. And so to spite Quinn, they... donated a bunch of money to a women in gaming thing (https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-fine-young-capitalists--2). And they created a female gamer mascot that is entirely normal.
The article really tries to paint them as the villains, but I'm really confused as to who is supposedly trolling who here.
I don't expect to understand 4chan. I'm trying to understand the reaction that goes "They donated money to a pro-women cause? Misogynistic bastards!"Yeah, the reaction's silly.
Only tangentially related, but not meriting a thread of its own:
So this article (http://www.vice.com/read/meet-the-female-gamer-mascot-created-by-anti-feminists-828) says: 4chan users hate Zoe Quinn because they are misogynists or antifeminists or something in that vein. And so to spite Quinn, they... donated a bunch of money to a women in gaming thing (https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-fine-young-capitalists--2). And they created a female gamer mascot that is entirely normal.
The article really tries to paint them as the villains, but I'm really confused as to who is supposedly trolling who here.
"Accidently."
"Accidently."
No, I'm pretty sure it is spelled "accidentally."
Or possibly "totally on purpose."
"Accidently."
No, I'm pretty sure it is spelled "accidentally."
Or possibly "totally on purpose."
Hmmm, auto correct is saying it's the latter spelling...
Only tangentially related, but not meriting a thread of its own:
So this article (http://www.vice.com/read/meet-the-female-gamer-mascot-created-by-anti-feminists-828) says: 4chan users hate Zoe Quinn because they are misogynists or antifeminists or something in that vein. And so to spite Quinn, they... donated a bunch of money to a women in gaming thing (https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-fine-young-capitalists--2). And they created a female gamer mascot that is entirely normal.
The article really tries to paint them as the villains, but I'm really confused as to who is supposedly trolling who here.
You know why I take offense to the Quinnspiracy? Because I AM a game journalist. Sure, I'm not paid for it, but I still do work in the field. People are calling it the biggest scandal in game journalism history, which is absurd, not just because there are other, REAL scandals, but because it's not about game journalism. If it was, Nathan Greyson would be the one that it was focused on. He's the one who allegedly agreed to take sex as payment for a positive review, he's the one who's actually IN the field of journalism. But it's not. The Quinnspiracy isn't about journalism, it's about slut shaming a woman or not acting how she's "supposed" to act. Who she sleeps with and why is no one's business but her own. If the allegations are true, then it IS a conflict of interest, but not for her.
And it focuses on her because of the influence she holds and what she represents.Also, she actively shifted the goalposts of this issue from simple cronyism to Tumblrina brand feminism. She's not innocent by any stretch of the imagination.
And it focuses on her because of the influence she holds and what she represents.Also, she actively shifted the goalposts of this issue from simple cronyism to Tumblrina brand feminism. She's not innocent by any stretch of the imagination.
And it focuses on her because of the influence she holds and what she represents.Also, she actively shifted the goalposts of this issue from simple cronyism to Tumblrina brand feminism. She's not innocent by any stretch of the imagination.
Still a lot more innocent than most of her detractors.
So, outside of the DMCA takedown, what did Quinn do that is anyone's business but her own?Well, for one, she sabotaged a pro-woman charity.
So, outside of the DMCA takedown, what did Quinn do that is anyone's business but her own?Well, for one, she sabotaged a pro-woman charity.
So, outside of the DMCA takedown, what did Quinn do that is anyone's business but her own?Well, for one, she sabotaged a pro-woman charity.
For one, please elaborate. For two, what does that have to do with her alleged role in the alleged journalism controversy?
1. Watch this video:
2. That wasn't the question you originally asked. Don't move the goalposts.
How is it any different from condemning gaming companies for bribing reviewers?1. Watch this video:
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-fine-young-capitalists--2#home Project's still on. However, fair enough. Here's the thing, though: I DON'T FUCKING CARE ABOUT ZOE QUINN. As I'll get to, the only investment I have in this is how it relates to game journalism as that's the alleged heart of the controversy.Quote2. That wasn't the question you originally asked. Don't move the goalposts.
I'm not. I'm asking for relevance. The claim is that the "Quinnspiracy" is about corruption and ethics in game journalism, but everything about it has nothing to do with that. It's all about Quinn, who, I might add, is not involved in journalism. I want to know why it's being called a journalism scandal as any real controversy involved has nothing to do with journalism.
The closest thing we have to it being about game journalism is the allegations that Quinn slept with a journalist for positive coverage (as far as anyone can tell, he wrote a grand total of one article that mentioned Quinn and it was only in passing). The thing is, if the allegations were true, it IS a conflict of interest... for Nathan Greyson. Who Quinn sleeps with and why is completely and totally none of anyone's business but her own. Like I said, if the "Quinnspiracy" was actually about journalism and not about who a woman slept with, it would be focused on Nathan Greyson.
No, this does not excuse anything Quinn HAS done, but like I said, I don't fucking care about her. My point is that this controversy is absurd, at least in the area where the alleged heart of it is.
How is it any different from condemning gaming companies for bribing reviewers?1. Watch this video:
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-fine-young-capitalists--2#home Project's still on. However, fair enough. Here's the thing, though: I DON'T FUCKING CARE ABOUT ZOE QUINN. As I'll get to, the only investment I have in this is how it relates to game journalism as that's the alleged heart of the controversy.Quote2. That wasn't the question you originally asked. Don't move the goalposts.
I'm not. I'm asking for relevance. The claim is that the "Quinnspiracy" is about corruption and ethics in game journalism, but everything about it has nothing to do with that. It's all about Quinn, who, I might add, is not involved in journalism. I want to know why it's being called a journalism scandal as any real controversy involved has nothing to do with journalism.
The closest thing we have to it being about game journalism is the allegations that Quinn slept with a journalist for positive coverage (as far as anyone can tell, he wrote a grand total of one article that mentioned Quinn and it was only in passing). The thing is, if the allegations were true, it IS a conflict of interest... for Nathan Greyson. Who Quinn sleeps with and why is completely and totally none of anyone's business but her own. Like I said, if the "Quinnspiracy" was actually about journalism and not about who a woman slept with, it would be focused on Nathan Greyson.
No, this does not excuse anything Quinn HAS done, but like I said, I don't fucking care about her. My point is that this controversy is absurd, at least in the area where the alleged heart of it is.
Besides, this stopped being about Zoe Quinn some time ago. Now the focus is on gaming journalism. Its hashtag on Twitter is #GamerGate, not #Quinnspiracy.
Ya know, you say that sex isn't currency, but I've seen folks treat it an awful lot like money. Fuck the professor, get good grades. Fuck your boss, keep from getting fired. Fuck a politician, get their vote or even get famous enough to get a book deal so you can seal your financial success for the rest of your life. If you claim "sex is just a means to an end," then...so is money. Money is a means to get food, shelter, water, and pretty much everything but the air you breathe. There are more forms of currency than just money.
Also, gaming journalism has been corrupt since long before it became a big thing in the internet. Hell, journalism in general has been fucked for generations. It'd be nice if all journalists were honest, hard-working people who wouldn't take a bribe, but alas, we live in the real world. However, calling this bullshit out when it happens is perfectly acceptable, if you ask me. Shine a light on the mold, maybe you'll do some damage to it.
Ya know, you say that sex isn't currency, but I've seen folks treat it an awful lot like money. Fuck the professor, get good grades. Fuck your boss, keep from getting fired. Fuck a politician, get their vote or even get famous enough to get a book deal so you can seal your financial success for the rest of your life. If you claim "sex is just a means to an end," then...so is money. Money is a means to get food, shelter, water, and pretty much everything but the air you breathe. There are more forms of currency than just money.
Also, gaming journalism has been corrupt since long before it became a big thing in the internet. Hell, journalism in general has been fucked for generations. It'd be nice if all journalists were honest, hard-working people who wouldn't take a bribe, but alas, we live in the real world. However, calling this bullshit out when it happens is perfectly acceptable, if you ask me. Shine a light on the mold, maybe you'll do some damage to it.
Even by journalism standards gaming journalism is corrupt. Most newspapers don't have all their advertising being for the stuff they're supposed to be reviewing/reporting on. Not to mention lack of editors/oversight etc.
Ironbite-also I thought Zoey Quinn was a lesbian so this confused the fuck outta me.You're probably thinking of Zoey Proasheck.
ZOE QUINN CHEATED ME AT POKER ONE TIME!SAPPED MAH SENTRY!
SHE IS A LIAR, A THIEF, A SCOUNDREL, A CRUSADER, A REBEL, AND A MEMBER OF THE NWO!!
Ya know, you say that sex isn't currency, but I've seen folks treat it an awful lot like money. Fuck the professor, get good grades. Fuck your boss, keep from getting fired. Fuck a politician, get their vote or even get famous enough to get a book deal so you can seal your financial success for the rest of your life. If you claim "sex is just a means to an end," then...so is money. Money is a means to get food, shelter, water, and pretty much everything but the air you breathe. There are more forms of currency than just money.
Also, gaming journalism has been corrupt since long before it became a big thing in the internet. Hell, journalism in general has been fucked for generations. It'd be nice if all journalists were honest, hard-working people who wouldn't take a bribe, but alas, we live in the real world. However, calling this bullshit out when it happens is perfectly acceptable, if you ask me. Shine a light on the mold, maybe you'll do some damage to it.
This, combined with the protest to "shut down Steam", makes me think these people don't actually want change, they just want to piss people off. It's a brilliant strategy, really, get enough people pissed off that they start raging at you endlessly, then you can claim that you're the victim, and that it's all just a bunch of bullies attacking you.
Unfortunately, you start condemning things like fun in games and no one, but no one wants to listen to you anymore. Keep your SJW bullshit out of my entertainment, please.
Ya know, you say that sex isn't currency, but I've seen folks treat it an awful lot like money. Fuck the professor, get good grades. Fuck your boss, keep from getting fired. Fuck a politician, get their vote or even get famous enough to get a book deal so you can seal your financial success for the rest of your life. If you claim "sex is just a means to an end," then...so is money. Money is a means to get food, shelter, water, and pretty much everything but the air you breathe. There are more forms of currency than just money.
Also, gaming journalism has been corrupt since long before it became a big thing in the internet. Hell, journalism in general has been fucked for generations. It'd be nice if all journalists were honest, hard-working people who wouldn't take a bribe, but alas, we live in the real world. However, calling this bullshit out when it happens is perfectly acceptable, if you ask me. Shine a light on the mold, maybe you'll do some damage to it.
Except that, like I said, Quinn got nothing out of it and, also like I said, if this were about journalism, it would have been focused Nathan Greyson. I never said that game journalism doesn't have ethics issues, quite the opposite, actually, but this entire controversy has NOTHING to do with journalism.
I think you hit the nail on the head.
This, combined with the protest to "shut down Steam", makes me think these people don't actually want change, they just want to piss people off. It's a brilliant strategy, really, get enough people pissed off that they start raging at you endlessly, then you can claim that you're the victim, and that it's all just a bunch of bullies attacking you.What do you mean "These people".
Unfortunately, you start condemning things like fun in games and no one, but no one wants to listen to you anymore. Keep your SJW bullshit out of my entertainment, please.
This, combined with the protest to "shut down Steam", makes me think these people don't actually want change, they just want to piss people off. It's a brilliant strategy, really, get enough people pissed off that they start raging at you endlessly, then you can claim that you're the victim, and that it's all just a bunch of bullies attacking you.What do you mean "These people".
Unfortunately, you start condemning things like fun in games and no one, but no one wants to listen to you anymore. Keep your SJW bullshit out of my entertainment, please.
If you're trying to passive aggressively refer to Saskeriaadnfdsfa and people who follow her then this is stupid.
For one, considering saskgn-fuckit, the video game feminism woman has received rape and death threats that have driven her out of her home, I would say she is in full right to call herself a victim.
And I highly doubt a stupid article from somewhere and a misguided petition to inconvenience thousands are proof that there's some massive movement to "Ruin games".
If you're referring to the No-fun article then, yeah, it's stupid, although ultimately irrelevant.
I had know idea.This, combined with the protest to "shut down Steam", makes me think these people don't actually want change, they just want to piss people off. It's a brilliant strategy, really, get enough people pissed off that they start raging at you endlessly, then you can claim that you're the victim, and that it's all just a bunch of bullies attacking you.What do you mean "These people".
Unfortunately, you start condemning things like fun in games and no one, but no one wants to listen to you anymore. Keep your SJW bullshit out of my entertainment, please.
If you're trying to passive aggressively refer to Saskeriaadnfdsfa and people who follow her then this is stupid.
For one, considering saskgn-fuckit, the video game feminism woman has received rape and death threats that have driven her out of her home, I would say she is in full right to call herself a victim.
And I highly doubt a stupid article from somewhere and a misguided petition to inconvenience thousands are proof that there's some massive movement to "Ruin games".
If you're referring to the No-fun article then, yeah, it's stupid, although ultimately irrelevant.
Yeah, about those "threats"...
(http://33.media.tumblr.com/509fd40cfa2bfeda27e740e74c913532/tumblr_nazv9bc1Ki1ts18pco1_1280.png)
>last tweet is listed 12 seconds ago
>she isn’t logged on
>the guy’s account is now deleted, disputing how quickly she seemed to know he was tweeting
>didn’t call the police or any kind of authorities, despite the ‘fact’ that he knew her and her parents’ addresses, instead choosing to tell twitter about it
0/10 would not believe
>last tweet is listed 12 seconds ago
>she isn’t logged on
>the guy’s account is now deleted, disputing how quickly she seemed to know he was tweeting
>didn’t call the police or any kind of authorities, despite the ‘fact’ that he knew her and her parents’ addresses, instead choosing to tell twitter about it
0/10 would not believe
I find it perfectly believable that someone, somewhere, sent her death threats. She's on the internet and she has a contentious opinion, which pretty much guaruntees it. It just happens to be completely irrelevant to the matter at hand.This, combined with the protest to "shut down Steam", makes me think these people don't actually want change, they just want to piss people off. It's a brilliant strategy, really, get enough people pissed off that they start raging at you endlessly, then you can claim that you're the victim, and that it's all just a bunch of bullies attacking you.What do you mean "These people".
Unfortunately, you start condemning things like fun in games and no one, but no one wants to listen to you anymore. Keep your SJW bullshit out of my entertainment, please.
If you're trying to passive aggressively refer to Saskeriaadnfdsfa and people who follow her then this is stupid.
For one, considering saskgn-fuckit, the video game feminism woman has received rape and death threats that have driven her out of her home, I would say she is in full right to call herself a victim.
And I highly doubt a stupid article from somewhere and a misguided petition to inconvenience thousands are proof that there's some massive movement to "Ruin games".
If you're referring to the No-fun article then, yeah, it's stupid, although ultimately irrelevant.
Yeah, about those "threats"...
(http://33.media.tumblr.com/509fd40cfa2bfeda27e740e74c913532/tumblr_nazv9bc1Ki1ts18pco1_1280.png)
>last tweet is listed 12 seconds ago
>she isn’t logged on
>the guy’s account is now deleted, disputing how quickly she seemed to know he was tweeting
>didn’t call the police or any kind of authorities, despite the ‘fact’ that he knew her and her parents’ addresses, instead choosing to tell twitter about it
0/10 would not believe
Ya know, you say that sex isn't currency, but I've seen folks treat it an awful lot like money. Fuck the professor, get good grades. Fuck your boss, keep from getting fired. Fuck a politician, get their vote or even get famous enough to get a book deal so you can seal your financial success for the rest of your life. If you claim "sex is just a means to an end," then...so is money. Money is a means to get food, shelter, water, and pretty much everything but the air you breathe. There are more forms of currency than just money.
Also, gaming journalism has been corrupt since long before it became a big thing in the internet. Hell, journalism in general has been fucked for generations. It'd be nice if all journalists were honest, hard-working people who wouldn't take a bribe, but alas, we live in the real world. However, calling this bullshit out when it happens is perfectly acceptable, if you ask me. Shine a light on the mold, maybe you'll do some damage to it.
Except that, like I said, Quinn got nothing out of it and, also like I said, if this were about journalism, it would have been focused Nathan Greyson. I never said that game journalism doesn't have ethics issues, quite the opposite, actually, but this entire controversy has NOTHING to do with journalism.
For once, I agree with UP. You're full of shit. The matter is that people are focusing on the "Five Guys" as well.
Ya know, you say that sex isn't currency, but I've seen folks treat it an awful lot like money. Fuck the professor, get good grades. Fuck your boss, keep from getting fired. Fuck a politician, get their vote or even get famous enough to get a book deal so you can seal your financial success for the rest of your life. If you claim "sex is just a means to an end," then...so is money. Money is a means to get food, shelter, water, and pretty much everything but the air you breathe. There are more forms of currency than just money.
Also, gaming journalism has been corrupt since long before it became a big thing in the internet. Hell, journalism in general has been fucked for generations. It'd be nice if all journalists were honest, hard-working people who wouldn't take a bribe, but alas, we live in the real world. However, calling this bullshit out when it happens is perfectly acceptable, if you ask me. Shine a light on the mold, maybe you'll do some damage to it.
Except that, like I said, Quinn got nothing out of it and, also like I said, if this were about journalism, it would have been focused Nathan Greyson. I never said that game journalism doesn't have ethics issues, quite the opposite, actually, but this entire controversy has NOTHING to do with journalism.
For once, I agree with UP. You're full of shit. The matter is that people are focusing on the "Five Guys" as well.
Except they're not. The entire conversation is about Quinn. If it wasn't, no one would talk about her cheating on her boyfriend because that's her problem. If it wasn't, the conversation would be focused on the journalists and why they allegedly slept with her. It would be about actually holding journalists accountable for their unethical actions.
EDIT: Upon looking more into this just to figure out what the fuck is actually going on, I've come to the conclusion that I have no idea what this whole thing is about. I still maintain that this started from a misogynist shit storm intended to attack a woman for something in her personal life and that the reason why the game media isn't/wasn't covering it is a simple matter of it largely having nothing to do with journalism, but the question is what the fuck is it about?
All I can find on it is little more than hyperbole and vitriol, as well as misogynistic false equivalency (including a comparison of Anita Sarkeesian to Jack Thompson), but very little hard facts and practically no explanations. As I may have spoken from a position of ignorance based on what I did know because I didn't realize that it became the mess it did, can anyone explain in layman's terms what the fuck is going on in the first place?
EDIT 2: In my research, I have yet to figure out what the fuck is actually going on, but I will say that the name Nathan Greyson has popped up exactly once. Furthermore, I see a lot of people taking Tumblr and 4chan posts claiming to be of people who are "in the know," if you will, with no citations or sources at face value.
So, I'm going to say that my opinion on this matter until someone can actually explain what the fuck is going on is that this is the result of a bunch of people who don't know otherwise making assumptions that they have no legitimate way of proving. The clear lack of proper organized explanation is not helping their case, after all.
The thing that sticks out to me the most however, is the complete and total lack of citation. There are no sources of any of the allegations put forth. I'm not talking about people citing things that go back to the beginning of the shit storm that we know to be truthful, IE, the DMCA, Quinn's actions in regards to the Game Jam organized by TFYC, etc. In fact, all I'm seeing on this is rhetoric, hyperbole and false equivalency. As well as quite a bit of misogyny, but as no one discussing this situation from any angle is excusing the misogyny, I think we can all agree that, while some of this reeks of it, this has built to become more about something else.
The problem, however, is that I HAVE NO FUCKING CLUE WHAT THAT SOMETHING ELSE IS!
That felt like a long winded denial of everything wrong with gamer culture as a whole, :(
We need a massive scandal involving a gate, somehow. That way, maybe people will call it "Gategate," and at least the recursion will be enough to mildly amuse me whilst the perpetuation of the -gate meme simultaneously annoys me.
(http://assets.amuniversal.com/28d6f7109a12012e2f8200163e41dd5b)
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I thought the cartoonist hates the Internet.
#gamergate if gamers are this mad about commerce infecting every aspect of video games, wait til they discover Everything Else In Society
Also, This hastag (https://twitter.com/hashtag/notyourshield?src=hash) popped up recently, for people in minority groups who agree with #GamerGateCompletely unrelated to the matter at hand... Does anybody else gets the same background as I did when I went to see that hashtag? Namely, the red-yellow cloud-spiral thingy?
Also, This hastag (https://twitter.com/hashtag/notyourshield?src=hash) popped up recently, for people in minority groups who agree with #GamerGate
Also, This hastag (https://twitter.com/hashtag/notyourshield?src=hash) popped up recently, for people in minority groups who agree with #GamerGateCompletely unrelated to the matter at hand... Does anybody else gets the same background as I did when I went to see that hashtag? Namely, the red-yellow cloud-spiral thingy?(click to show/hide)
Because that's an image I MADE (http://tipexleloup.deviantart.com/art/Strange-Sun-83523518). (link to my deviantart) And I'm pissed about that.
Also, This hastag (https://twitter.com/hashtag/notyourshield?src=hash) popped up recently, for people in minority groups who agree with #GamerGateCompletely unrelated to the matter at hand... Does anybody else gets the same background as I did when I went to see that hashtag? Namely, the red-yellow cloud-spiral thingy?(click to show/hide)
Because that's an image I MADE (http://tipexleloup.deviantart.com/art/Strange-Sun-83523518). (link to my deviantart) And I'm pissed about that.
Nope, I'm getting the generic clouds-and-sky thing.
Also, This hastag (https://twitter.com/hashtag/notyourshield?src=hash) popped up recently, for people in minority groups who agree with #GamerGateCompletely unrelated to the matter at hand... Does anybody else gets the same background as I did when I went to see that hashtag? Namely, the red-yellow cloud-spiral thingy?(click to show/hide)
Because that's an image I MADE (http://tipexleloup.deviantart.com/art/Strange-Sun-83523518). (link to my deviantart) And I'm pissed about that.
Oooo I do not have twitter. I was on my friend's computer at the time, and he apparently uses that background. Problem solved. Thanks a lot!Also, This hastag (https://twitter.com/hashtag/notyourshield?src=hash) popped up recently, for people in minority groups who agree with #GamerGateCompletely unrelated to the matter at hand... Does anybody else gets the same background as I did when I went to see that hashtag? Namely, the red-yellow cloud-spiral thingy?(click to show/hide)
Because that's an image I MADE (http://tipexleloup.deviantart.com/art/Strange-Sun-83523518). (link to my deviantart) And I'm pissed about that.
It's just your main Twitter background. >.> If you have the generics, that's what you get. People like you and I, who have custom backgrounds, will get those.
*offers some chips and dip*
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Anything you can do can get you shot-including nothing.
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More fuel for the hate machine called #Gamergate. This kind of shit is what led the gaming community to side with the once-mocked "neglected straight male gamer". It's depressing to see how some people are willing to throw their integrity into the fire and harm their own cause, just so they can obtain some notoriety from this whole madness.
Such SJW. Wow, I am rekt by this statement. Totally rekt.
Clearly, multiple people taking up a cause is the work of the CIS SCUM conspiracy that seeks to actively undermine the good of Tumblr.
Such SJW. Wow, I am rekt by this statement. Totally rekt.
Clearly, multiple people taking up a cause is the work of the CIS SCUM conspiracy that seeks to actively undermine the good of Tumblr.
... I hope that rainbow SJW bullshit wasn't aimed at me? You do realise I am pissing on both sides, do you? Leo Reyna is the one "throwing his integrity into the fire" by claiming that most tweets in #Gamergate and #NotYourShield are made by sockpuppets.
By the way, I think "Social Justice Warriors" and their "die cis scum" mentality are just as hateful and destructive as their opponents.
EDIT: Oh god are you fucking serious. Just because I'm not with you doesn't mean I am with them. You may have sacrificed your empathy and critical thinking for the sake of "picking a side", but understand that not everyone did. Remove your blinders. Also, stop being a dick.
EDIT2: Lol "News Corp conspiracy". That you choose to interpret my "spouting NewsCorp propaganda" as "Dark Lord Murdoch is behind all this" rather than "regressives are having a field day with this" says more about your mentality than mine.
EDIT3: I just realized that my phrasing WAS ambiguous, and that the integrity-throwing bit could be interpreted as applying to the gaming community rather than the author of the "fuel for the hate machine". Still, what the hell, Madman.
My mentality and I haven't talked in while. It's kinda a divorce thing, you know? At first, we tried to spice things up by combining things we like communism and Monty Python but that obviously didn't end well. So, we split off.
My mentality and I haven't talked in while. It's kinda a divorce thing, you know? At first, we tried to spice things up by combining things we like communism and Monty Python but that obviously didn't end well. So, we split off.
At least you didn't try to combine fishing and sex.
My mentality and I haven't talked in while. It's kinda a divorce thing, you know? At first, we tried to spice things up by combining things we like communism and Monty Python but that obviously didn't end well. So, we split off.
At least you didn't try to combine fishing and sex.
I think that would result in something like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpKtzumUmmA
My mentality and I haven't talked in while. It's kinda a divorce thing, you know? At first, we tried to spice things up by combining things we like communism and Monty Python but that obviously didn't end well. So, we split off.
At least you didn't try to combine fishing and sex.
I think that would result in something like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpKtzumUmmA
Let's just forget all of this ever happened and go on with our short, miserable, meaningless lives. I think I'm out of shits to give about Gamergate.My mentality and I haven't talked in while. It's kinda a divorce thing, you know? At first, we tried to spice things up by combining things we like communism and Monty Python but that obviously didn't end well. So, we split off.
At least you didn't try to combine fishing and sex.
I think that would result in something like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpKtzumUmmA
"My wife would like that!" Oh, nineties, please never change.
My mentality and I haven't talked in while. It's kinda a divorce thing, you know? At first, we tried to spice things up by combining things we like communism and Monty Python but that obviously didn't end well. So, we split off.
At least you didn't try to combine fishing and sex.
I think that would result in something like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpKtzumUmmA
So, the Gaming community is once more offered an oppurtunity to have a discussion about sex and gender in our favourite media, and it fails to do so and falls back on the 'girls are icky and want to ruin our fun attitude'.It's more a case of it implodes into a wild poo flinging war between the fedora wearers and the Tumblrinas.
I'm shocked.
So very very shocked....
It's less a war and more a confusing mess of dudebros pissing themselveves and complicated Twitter hashtags.So, the Gaming community is once more offered an oppurtunity to have a discussion about sex and gender in our favourite media, and it fails to do so and falls back on the 'girls are icky and want to ruin our fun attitude'.It's more a case of it implodes into a wild poo flinging war between the fedora wearers and the Tumblrinas.
I'm shocked.
So very very shocked....
Which I guess is kind of a sign of progress in itself, in that gaming has moved beyond being the boy's club it once was, and now the hobby is home to social justice warriors as well as duebros. Now there can be a little more variety in the loud and annoying extremist fuckwit department. Whether or not it's an improvement is up for debate, but it's certainly a milestone nonetheless.
It's less a war and more a confusing mess of dudebros pissing themselveves and complicated Twitter hashtags.So, the Gaming community is once more offered an oppurtunity to have a discussion about sex and gender in our favourite media, and it fails to do so and falls back on the 'girls are icky and want to ruin our fun attitude'.It's more a case of it implodes into a wild poo flinging war between the fedora wearers and the Tumblrinas.
I'm shocked.
So very very shocked....
Which I guess is kind of a sign of progress in itself, in that gaming has moved beyond being the boy's club it once was, and now the hobby is home to social justice warriors as well as duebros. Now there can be a little more variety in the loud and annoying extremist fuckwit department. Whether or not it's an improvement is up for debate, but it's certainly a milestone nonetheless.
Eventually I just gave up and moved onto something else.
It's less a war and more a confusing mess of dudebros pissing themselveves and complicated Twitter hashtags.So, the Gaming community is once more offered an oppurtunity to have a discussion about sex and gender in our favourite media, and it fails to do so and falls back on the 'girls are icky and want to ruin our fun attitude'.It's more a case of it implodes into a wild poo flinging war between the fedora wearers and the Tumblrinas.
I'm shocked.
So very very shocked....
Which I guess is kind of a sign of progress in itself, in that gaming has moved beyond being the boy's club it once was, and now the hobby is home to social justice warriors as well as duebros. Now there can be a little more variety in the loud and annoying extremist fuckwit department. Whether or not it's an improvement is up for debate, but it's certainly a milestone nonetheless.
Eventually I just gave up and moved onto something else.
Once the dudebros and tumblr feminists destroy each other, that shall leave a power vacuum. finally I shall ascend.
The fire rises!
So who's Milo Yian and why is he able to confirm/deny a complaint call for someone?Oh?
Ironbite-pretty fucking sure that's all forms of ILLEGAL!
So who's Milo Yian and why is he able to confirm/deny a complaint call for someone?He works for Breitbart.com, which makes me a bit wary, but as he's one of the only people involved in this mess doing any actual journalistic investigation, I'm at least going to consider what he says.
Ironbite-pretty fucking sure that's all forms of ILLEGAL!
But again. Freedom of Information Act only gets you so far. An active investigation, which I assume the latest round of threats would fall under, wouldn't be available to the public.My understanding is that they're not allowed to disclose details, but are able to say that something has been reported.
Not even the shittiest police department in the world would disclose that...release a video that does nothing but slander a murder victim and try to paint him as some sort of brutish thug but release complaints about an active investigation?
Ironbite-that'd completely undermine any trust the public has in the PD...low as it is right now.
Even then...I don't trust this ass.
Ironbite-I trust anyone who's trying to do this less.
Just by being affiliated with Breitbart.com, named after a man who deliberately edited shit and has spread lies that are still believed to this day despite being ten times debunked, everything they present is automatically suspect.
Photoshop exists.
Just by being affiliated with Breitbart.com, named after a man who deliberately edited shit and has spread lies that are still believed to this day despite being ten times debunked, everything they present is automatically suspect.
Photoshop exists.
As does twitter, dipshit. The evidence is there for you to look up for yourself, and verify for yourself by asking them independently. If you can allay your doubts about the truth of such allegations, you should in order to make a argument!
Jesus, has every reasonable person on this forum gone crazy over this shit?
Just by being affiliated with Breitbart.com, named after a man who deliberately edited shit and has spread lies that are still believed to this day despite being ten times debunked, everything they present is automatically suspect.
Photoshop exists.
As does twitter, dipshit. The evidence is there for you to look up for yourself, and verify for yourself by asking them independently. If you can allay your doubts about the truth of such allegations, you should in order to make a argument!
Jesus, has every reasonable person on this forum gone crazy over this shit?
So far, you're the only person I've seen who's gone crazy.
I'm not sure what you expect me to do on Twitter. Go up to Milo and ask "Hey, did you photoshop that image you posted to make it say what you want?"
And now.... I am pissed off again. Cloud? I suppose you have a apologia ready already, because this is a doozy!
So in addition to making a shitty game, Quinn's guilty of fraud? I've tried to avoid insulting her in person, but really?
It's funny how all Quinn's most vocal detractors focus on her gender despite shit like this.Just by being affiliated with Breitbart.com, named after a man who deliberately edited shit and has spread lies that are still believed to this day despite being ten times debunked, everything they present is automatically suspect.
Photoshop exists.
As does twitter, dipshit. The evidence is there for you to look up for yourself, and verify for yourself by asking them independently. If you can allay your doubts about the truth of such allegations, you should in order to make a argument!
Jesus, has every reasonable person on this forum gone crazy over this shit?
So far, you're the only person I've seen who's gone crazy.
I'm not sure what you expect me to do on Twitter. Go up to Milo and ask "Hey, did you photoshop that image you posted to make it say what you want?"
My apologies, I just realized that the social media picture used in the picture I'm referring to is Facebook. I wasn't talking about the Anita thing, merely the Quinn lying about donations thing.
(http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/828/455/596.png)
This one. It should easy to verify it via Mr. Schaeffer or Ifred. That is all.
Just by being affiliated with Breitbart.com, named after a man who deliberately edited shit and has spread lies that are still believed to this day despite being ten times debunked, everything they present is automatically suspect.
Photoshop exists.
Just by being affiliated with Breitbart.com, named after a man who deliberately edited shit and has spread lies that are still believed to this day despite being ten times debunked, everything they present is automatically suspect.
Photoshop exists.
You know who else is a proven liar? Anita.
Well, let's see:Just by being affiliated with Breitbart.com, named after a man who deliberately edited shit and has spread lies that are still believed to this day despite being ten times debunked, everything they present is automatically suspect.
Photoshop exists.
You know who else is a proven liar? Anita.
A proven liar about what?
If it's about the police report thing, all we've got to go on is that guy's word and an image HE posted.
Well, let's see:Just by being affiliated with Breitbart.com, named after a man who deliberately edited shit and has spread lies that are still believed to this day despite being ten times debunked, everything they present is automatically suspect.
Photoshop exists.
You know who else is a proven liar? Anita.
A proven liar about what?
If it's about the police report thing, all we've got to go on is that guy's word and an image HE posted.
1. She conned people out of their money on Kickstarter.
2. She stole footage for her web series.
3. She claims to be a lifelong gamer when she's not.
4. She misrepresents the games she talks about.
Well, let's see:Just by being affiliated with Breitbart.com, named after a man who deliberately edited shit and has spread lies that are still believed to this day despite being ten times debunked, everything they present is automatically suspect.
Photoshop exists.
You know who else is a proven liar? Anita.
A proven liar about what?
If it's about the police report thing, all we've got to go on is that guy's word and an image HE posted.
1. She conned people out of their money on Kickstarter.
2. She stole footage for her web series.
3. She claims to be a lifelong gamer when she's not.
4. She misrepresents the games she talks about.
And it's a crying shame, because in my book, this kind of thing really needs to be talked about.
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Same shit, different day.
A woman dares tread on the precious territory of the male gamer and suddenly she becomes the worst villian ever.
Male producers, critics, reviewers and random entities get involved in something of a even a remotely similiar nature, the blow out is 'nothing' by comparison. I have no doubt if a male developer was to sleep with a female reviewer, then suddenly it would be the female reviewers fault.
There is a set of over priveleged, whiney male gamers who have never gotten beyond the girls are icky and want to ruin our fun stage.
It needs to stop. It's stupid, pathetic and completely counter-productive.
Could you source 1 plz?Well, let's see:Just by being affiliated with Breitbart.com, named after a man who deliberately edited shit and has spread lies that are still believed to this day despite being ten times debunked, everything they present is automatically suspect.
Photoshop exists.
You know who else is a proven liar? Anita.
A proven liar about what?
If it's about the police report thing, all we've got to go on is that guy's word and an image HE posted.
1. She conned people out of their money on Kickstarter.
2. She stole footage for her web series.
3. She claims to be a lifelong gamer when she's not.
4. She misrepresents the games she talks about.
And it's a crying shame, because in my book, this kind of thing really needs to be talked about.
Sure. Here: http://victorsopinion.blogspot.be/2013/07/anitas-sources.html (http://victorsopinion.blogspot.be/2013/07/anitas-sources.html)Could you source 1 plz?Well, let's see:Just by being affiliated with Breitbart.com, named after a man who deliberately edited shit and has spread lies that are still believed to this day despite being ten times debunked, everything they present is automatically suspect.
Photoshop exists.
You know who else is a proven liar? Anita.
A proven liar about what?
If it's about the police report thing, all we've got to go on is that guy's word and an image HE posted.
1. She conned people out of their money on Kickstarter.
2. She stole footage for her web series.
3. She claims to be a lifelong gamer when she's not.
4. She misrepresents the games she talks about.
And it's a crying shame, because in my book, this kind of thing really needs to be talked about.
Thx.Sure. Here: http://victorsopinion.blogspot.be/2013/07/anitas-sources.html (http://victorsopinion.blogspot.be/2013/07/anitas-sources.html)Could you source 1 plz?Well, let's see:Just by being affiliated with Breitbart.com, named after a man who deliberately edited shit and has spread lies that are still believed to this day despite being ten times debunked, everything they present is automatically suspect.
Photoshop exists.
You know who else is a proven liar? Anita.
A proven liar about what?
If it's about the police report thing, all we've got to go on is that guy's word and an image HE posted.
1. She conned people out of their money on Kickstarter.
2. She stole footage for her web series.
3. She claims to be a lifelong gamer when she's not.
4. She misrepresents the games she talks about.
And it's a crying shame, because in my book, this kind of thing really needs to be talked about.
I'm on mobile, what new assfuckery is playing out now?
Same shit, different day.
A woman dares tread on the precious territory of the male gamer and suddenly she becomes the worst villian ever.
Male producers, critics, reviewers and random entities get involved in something of a even a remotely similiar nature, the blow out is 'nothing' by comparison. I have no doubt if a male developer was to sleep with a female reviewer, then suddenly it would be the female reviewers fault.
There is a set of over priveleged, whiney male gamers who have never gotten beyond the girls are icky and want to ruin our fun stage.
It needs to stop. It's stupid, pathetic and completely counter-productive.
Yes, because trading a shag for a good review is totally the same as pathetic schoolyard bullshit, and not in any way indicative of a larger problem in journalism in general.
About that iFred stuff...
https://www.facebook.com/ifredorg/posts/373372282788073 (https://www.facebook.com/ifredorg/posts/373372282788073)
Same shit, different day.
A woman dares tread on the precious territory of the male gamer and suddenly she becomes the worst villian ever.
Male producers, critics, reviewers and random entities get involved in something of a even a remotely similiar nature, the blow out is 'nothing' by comparison. I have no doubt if a male developer was to sleep with a female reviewer, then suddenly it would be the female reviewers fault.
There is a set of over priveleged, whiney male gamers who have never gotten beyond the girls are icky and want to ruin our fun stage.
It needs to stop. It's stupid, pathetic and completely counter-productive.
Yes, because trading a shag for a good review is totally the same as pathetic schoolyard bullshit, and not in any way indicative of a larger problem in journalism in general.
Cept she didn't trade a shag for a good review. In fact, her game was barely mentioned in the review site in question. Just a passing reference.
Ironbite-probably not that good a shag.
And then you guys wonder why I think GamerGate should go jump in a lake and die.
I haven't followed this crap at all, but I did just read this article (http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-things-i-learned-as-internets-most-hated-person/) written by Quinn, explaining what happened. Sounds like a bunch of manchildren being little bitches more than anything.You really expect her to give an unbiased account?
I haven't followed this crap at all, but I did just read this article (http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-things-i-learned-as-internets-most-hated-person/) written by Quinn, explaining what happened. Sounds like a bunch of manchildren being little bitches more than anything.Psychic prediction: She makes it all out to be centered purely around her weeks after she ceased to be relevant, no mention is made of the abuse comitted by anti-gamergate people, and there are frequent allusions to generic nerd stereotypes throughout the article.
Huh? I never heard about anti-gamergate abuse?I haven't followed this crap at all, but I did just read this article (http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-things-i-learned-as-internets-most-hated-person/) written by Quinn, explaining what happened. Sounds like a bunch of manchildren being little bitches more than anything.Psychic prediction: She makes it all out to be centered purely around her weeks after she ceased to be relevant, no mention is made of the abuse comitted by anti-gamergate people, and there are frequent allusions to generic nerd stereotypes throughout the article.
You know what this thing is? It's a bitter man who found out that his dick wasn't good enough for someone and decided to get revenge in the best way possible. Completely demolish a female game designer's reputation in the industry and make it harder for other female game designers to be taken seriously.
Ironbite-congrats douche bag...you won.
You know what this thing is? It's a bitter man who found out that his dick wasn't good enough for someone and decided to get revenge in the best way possible. Completely demolish a female game designer's reputation in the industry and make it harder for other female game designers to be taken seriously.
Ironbite-congrats douche bag...you won.
One thing is for sure. Regardless of how you stand on the issue, or which side you think is right, the net effect of all this is going to be a lack of willingness in the general gaming community to accept female game developers or designers. No doubt.
You know what this thing is? It's a bitter man who found out that his dick wasn't good enough for someone and decided to get revenge in the best way possible. Completely demolish a female game designer's reputation in the industry and make it harder for other female game designers to be taken seriously.
Ironbite-congrats douche bag...you won.
One thing is for sure. Regardless of how you stand on the issue, or which side you think is right, the net effect of all this is going to be a lack of willingness in the general gaming community to accept female game developers or designers. No doubt.
Unfortunately, that happened long before the conspiracy around Quinn.
Such as when several gamers raged because one of the lead developers for the spiritual successor to Megaman was a woman.
Men crying about feminism never ceases to be simultaneously hilarious and frustrating.
You know what this thing is? It's a bitter man who found out that his dick wasn't good enough for someone and decided to get revenge in the best way possible. Completely demolish a female game designer's reputation in the industry and make it harder for other female game designers to be taken seriously.
Ironbite-congrats douche bag...you won.
One thing is for sure. Regardless of how you stand on the issue, or which side you think is right, the net effect of all this is going to be a lack of willingness in the general gaming community to accept female game developers or designers. No doubt.
Unfortunately, that happened long before the conspiracy around Quinn.
Such as when several gamers raged because one of the lead developers for the spiritual successor to Megaman was a woman.
Men crying about feminism never ceases to be simultaneously hilarious and frustrating.
You know what this thing is? It's a bitter man who found out that his dick wasn't good enough for someone and decided to get revenge in the best way possible. Completely demolish a female game designer's reputation in the industry and make it harder for other female game designers to be taken seriously.
Ironbite-congrats douche bag...you won.
One thing is for sure. Regardless of how you stand on the issue, or which side you think is right, the net effect of all this is going to be a lack of willingness in the general gaming community to accept female game developers or designers. No doubt.
Unfortunately, that happened long before the conspiracy around Quinn.
Such as when several gamers raged because one of the lead developers for the spiritual successor to Megaman was a woman.
Men crying about feminism never ceases to be simultaneously hilarious and frustrating.
The reason they bitched about Dina was that she was basically the embodiment of overblown PC, was unfamiliar with Megaman, her boyfriend worked at Comcept and her being fond of censorship. And community manager isn't even "Lead developer".
Not because she was a woman, Magus.
Or am I confusing this with something else?
Here's a rebuttal to that Cracked article:Here's a rebuttal to the laughable belief that there is any sliver of hope or compassion in this endless, hatefull universe:
http://nichegamer.net/2014/09/unfrozen-caveman-journalist-victim-complex-edition/ (http://nichegamer.net/2014/09/unfrozen-caveman-journalist-victim-complex-edition/)
Here's a rebuttal to that Cracked article:
http://nichegamer.net/2014/09/unfrozen-caveman-journalist-victim-complex-edition/ (http://nichegamer.net/2014/09/unfrozen-caveman-journalist-victim-complex-edition/)
And I couldn't hear the original point over Zoe Quinn's victim complex.Here's a rebuttal to that Cracked article:
http://nichegamer.net/2014/09/unfrozen-caveman-journalist-victim-complex-edition/ (http://nichegamer.net/2014/09/unfrozen-caveman-journalist-victim-complex-edition/)
Sorry, I couldn't hear the rebuttal over the ego of its writer.
I haven't followed this crap at all, but I did just read this article (http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-things-i-learned-as-internets-most-hated-person/) written by Quinn, explaining what happened. Sounds like a bunch of manchildren being little bitches more than anything.You really expect her to give an unbiased account?
The article likes to paint Quinn as some kind of hero or martyr for standing up to "misogynistic gamers" but makes no mention anywhere of the fact that she torpedoed a women's gaming charity because she didn't like them, or of the fact that these supposedly misogynistic 4chan users donated thousands of dollars to the same organization to repair the damage that Zoe Quinn did to them. Zoe Quinn is not a victim of misogyny, she is someone who got caught doing something wrong and cried misogyny to protect herself. Unfortunately, sites like Cracked seemed to do no research beyond the sexism angle that Quinn likes to claim. They show misogynistic tweets from GamerGate advocates that are supposed to prove that the entire movement is hateful (though there are far more tweets, such as #notyourshield, that would show that the movement is more concerned with Quinn's actions than her gender) yet don't show the abusive and bigoted tweets that her supporters have sent out, such as one that told a woman that she had a "cavernous" vagina when she criticized Quinn on Twitter. Very disappointed that Cracked ran this with no consideration whatsoever toward the truth.
All she's doing is distracting from the actual issues and simultaneously making it more difficult for real victims of misogyny.
Zoe Quinn is not a modern-day Joan of Arc. Does she deserve harassment? No. However, criticizing what she did is neither harassment nor misogyny. And if she can't handle this, that says more about her than it does about GamerGate.
You don't even need to read Quinn's article to see her point, you just have to look at how misogynistic her detractors are to see her point.And I couldn't hear the original point over Zoe Quinn's victim complex.Here's a rebuttal to that Cracked article:
http://nichegamer.net/2014/09/unfrozen-caveman-journalist-victim-complex-edition/ (http://nichegamer.net/2014/09/unfrozen-caveman-journalist-victim-complex-edition/)
Sorry, I couldn't hear the rebuttal over the ego of its writer.
I agree, they don't deserve abuse or misogyny. However, the majority of their detractors are neither. And what about the women involved in GamerGate?You don't even need to read Quinn's article to see her point, you just have to look at how misogynistic her detractors are to see her point.And I couldn't hear the original point over Zoe Quinn's victim complex.Here's a rebuttal to that Cracked article:
http://nichegamer.net/2014/09/unfrozen-caveman-journalist-victim-complex-edition/ (http://nichegamer.net/2014/09/unfrozen-caveman-journalist-victim-complex-edition/)
Sorry, I couldn't hear the rebuttal over the ego of its writer.
It's similar to how Anita's detractors prove her points far better than she can simply by hurling their abusive garbage at her.
Most people have moved on from Quinn, and are looking at the bigger problem. I think it's mainly the abusers and misogynists who continue to go after her specifically.I haven't followed this crap at all, but I did just read this article (http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-things-i-learned-as-internets-most-hated-person/) written by Quinn, explaining what happened. Sounds like a bunch of manchildren being little bitches more than anything.You really expect her to give an unbiased account?
The article likes to paint Quinn as some kind of hero or martyr for standing up to "misogynistic gamers" but makes no mention anywhere of the fact that she torpedoed a women's gaming charity because she didn't like them, or of the fact that these supposedly misogynistic 4chan users donated thousands of dollars to the same organization to repair the damage that Zoe Quinn did to them. Zoe Quinn is not a victim of misogyny, she is someone who got caught doing something wrong and cried misogyny to protect herself. Unfortunately, sites like Cracked seemed to do no research beyond the sexism angle that Quinn likes to claim. They show misogynistic tweets from GamerGate advocates that are supposed to prove that the entire movement is hateful (though there are far more tweets, such as #notyourshield, that would show that the movement is more concerned with Quinn's actions than her gender) yet don't show the abusive and bigoted tweets that her supporters have sent out, such as one that told a woman that she had a "cavernous" vagina when she criticized Quinn on Twitter. Very disappointed that Cracked ran this with no consideration whatsoever toward the truth.
All she's doing is distracting from the actual issues and simultaneously making it more difficult for real victims of misogyny.
Zoe Quinn is not a modern-day Joan of Arc. Does she deserve harassment? No. However, criticizing what she did is neither harassment nor misogyny. And if she can't handle this, that says more about her than it does about GamerGate.
Obviously it's not going to be unbiased, but it shows how fucked the gaming community is, especially when it comes to girls. I figured this whole bucket of nonsense was regarding rumors of her sleeping with guys for good reviews. If she did something that deserves criticism, then fine, but people treat her like she's motherfucking Hitler. Jesus christ.
Huh? I never heard about anti-gamergate abuse?This is going to take a while
I have heard variouse horror Tories relating to 4chan and some "raid" they planned. Also some tf2 links used as, uh, death threats?
FTFY.Huh? I never heard about anti-gamergate abuse?This is going to take a while
I have heard variouse horror Tories relating to 4chan and some "raid" they planned. Also some tf2 links used as, uh, death threats?
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Other abuse(click to show/hide)(click to show/hide)(click to show/hide)(click to show/hide)(click to show/hide)(click to show/hide)(click to show/hide)(click to show/hide)(click to show/hide)(click to show/hide)(click to show/hide)(click to show/hide)(click to show/hide)(click to show/hide)(click to show/hide)(click to show/hide)(click to show/hide)(click to show/hide)(click to show/hide)Doxing and threatening a ten year old (this one deserves its own label for how awesomely the kid handled it)(click to show/hide)Retaliation against careers(click to show/hide)(click to show/hide)(click to show/hide)
Part two coming soon...
And yet, if the situation were to be a male developer sleeping with a female reviewer, in all likelyhood, it would be the female reviewer who would get the sharp end of the criticism.
Ad hominem is fun, isn't it?And yet, if the situation were to be a male developer sleeping with a female reviewer, in all likelyhood, it would be the female reviewer who would get the sharp end of the criticism.
B...But da criticism TOTALLY isn't fueled by sexism! Because she did these other bad things, therefore, this criticism can't be fueled by sexism!
And yet, if the situation were to be a male developer sleeping with a female reviewer, in all likelyhood, it would be the female reviewer who would get the sharp end of the criticism.
B...But da criticism TOTALLY isn't fueled by sexism! Because she did these other bad things, therefore, this criticism can't be fueled by sexism!
Given the fact that it is somehow a massive deal compared to other events of taint and corruption within game journalism, I rather disagree.
I mean. Where is #MachinimaGate for example? The essence of that particular scandal was no different, yet it didn't generate anything like the spectacle that #Gamergate and this Quinnspiracy rubbish has generated.
As for my bias, yes, I do have one. It is against sexist, whining, over priveleged male gamers who don't want to let girls into what the feel is their private sandbox.
Because not every gamer out there is a whining, over priveleged male gamer who doesn't like to share with the girls?
I had that particular group in mind with my statements and like any obnoxious minor group within a group, they tend to project their voices the loudest, because they fear they have the most to lose. In their own little minds.
As for what I believe about the rest of gamers, I believe they are no doubt a good, progressive group of people who aren't afraid of sharing.
If you admit feeling attacked from rape and death threats isn't a victim complex.
REALLY!? JUST FUCKING REALLY!? YOU'RE GOING TO FIND PLENTY OF REASONS TO IGNORE DEATH AND RAPE THREATS BECAUSE OF WHO'S SAYING THEY'RE GETTING THE THREATS!?
Ironbite-*explodes*
Well considering gamers and there history misogynistic behavior, yes. It's not about who they are, it's about what they've done (send rape and death threats because of the ending of Mass Effect 3, call female gamers "fakers"). Quite frankly, I don't trust the, and I wouldn't put false flag attacks past them.REALLY!? JUST FUCKING REALLY!? YOU'RE GOING TO FIND PLENTY OF REASONS TO IGNORE DEATH AND RAPE THREATS BECAUSE OF WHO'S SAYING THEY'RE GETTING THE THREATS!?
Ironbite-*explodes*
Well, considering their unethical behavior, yes. It's not about who they are, it's about what they've done. Quite frankly, I don't trust them, and I wouldn't put false flag attacks past them.
And where was this outrage when Gamergate was suffering these threats?
The difference is that that was a vocal minority. There are millions upon millions of gamers, and they only represented a tiny fraction.Well considering gamers and there history misogynistic behavior, yes. It's not about who they are, it's about what they've done (send rape and death threats because of the ending of Mass Effect 3, call female gamers "fakers"). Quite frankly, I don't trust the, and I wouldn't put false flag attacks past them.REALLY!? JUST FUCKING REALLY!? YOU'RE GOING TO FIND PLENTY OF REASONS TO IGNORE DEATH AND RAPE THREATS BECAUSE OF WHO'S SAYING THEY'RE GETTING THE THREATS!?
Ironbite-*explodes*
Well, considering their unethical behavior, yes. It's not about who they are, it's about what they've done. Quite frankly, I don't trust them, and I wouldn't put false flag attacks past them.
And where was this outrage when Gamergate was suffering these threats?
FTFYThe difference is that that was a vocal minority. There are millions upon millions of gamers, and they only represented a tiny fraction.Well considering gamers and there history misogynistic behavior, yes. It's not about who they are, it's about what they've done (send rape and death threats because of the ending of Mass Effect 3, call female gamers "fakers"). Quite frankly, I don't trust the, and I wouldn't put false flag attacks past them.REALLY!? JUST FUCKING REALLY!? YOU'RE GOING TO FIND PLENTY OF REASONS TO IGNORE DEATH AND RAPE THREATS BECAUSE OF WHO'S SAYING THEY'RE GETTING THE THREATS!?
Ironbite-*explodes*
Well, considering their unethical behavior, yes. It's not about who they are, it's about what they've done. Quite frankly, I don't trust them, and I wouldn't put false flag attacks past them.
And where was this outrage when Gamergate was suffering these threats?
In addition, studies have show that gamers are the most charitable, friendliest, and most sexually appealing demographic ever.
The anti-Gamergate side, on the other hand, is much smaller, is comprised entirely of clones of Osama Bin Laden, steals puppies from orphans (which they proceed to eat in front of them), masturbates to Adolf Hitler, and takes 2 parking spaces at once. Why do you think they torture and behead their critics?
So yeah, different situation entirely.
I've stated this multiple times and I'll say it again, do you have verifiable SOURCES for that alleged corruption?
FTFYThe difference is that that was a vocal minority. There are millions upon millions of gamers, and they only represented a tiny fraction.Well considering gamers and there history misogynistic behavior, yes. It's not about who they are, it's about what they've done (send rape and death threats because of the ending of Mass Effect 3, call female gamers "fakers"). Quite frankly, I don't trust the, and I wouldn't put false flag attacks past them.REALLY!? JUST FUCKING REALLY!? YOU'RE GOING TO FIND PLENTY OF REASONS TO IGNORE DEATH AND RAPE THREATS BECAUSE OF WHO'S SAYING THEY'RE GETTING THE THREATS!?
Ironbite-*explodes*
Well, considering their unethical behavior, yes. It's not about who they are, it's about what they've done. Quite frankly, I don't trust them, and I wouldn't put false flag attacks past them.
And where was this outrage when Gamergate was suffering these threats?
In addition, studies have show that gamers are the most charitable, friendliest, and most sexually appealing demographic ever.
The anti-Gamergate side, on the other hand, is much smaller, is comprised entirely of clones of Osama Bin Laden, steals puppies from orphans (which they proceed to eat in front of them), masturbates to Adolf Hitler, and takes 2 parking spaces at once. Why do you think they torture and behead their critics?
So yeah, different situation entirely.
Why? You don't seem to have a problem putting words in other people's mouths.
So you admit that the misogynists in Gamergate are only a minority?
So you admit that the misogynists in Gamergate are only a minority?
Elaborated.
(http://i.imgur.com/Ygg68lT.jpg)The fun has already begun!
This thread's looks like it's about to get real fun.
REALLY!? JUST FUCKING REALLY!? YOU'RE GOING TO FIND PLENTY OF REASONS TO IGNORE DEATH AND RAPE THREATS BECAUSE OF WHO'S SAYING THEY'RE GETTING THE THREATS!?Bah, those cunts probably enjoyed it.
Ironbite-*explodes*
Given the fact that it is somehow a massive deal compared to other events of taint and corruption within game journalism, I rather disagree.What propelled this drama to such heights wasn't so much the merits of the original scandal itself, but the mass suppression of discussion of it, the vitriol being spewed by gaming journalists, and the release of fourteen articles in the span of two days declaring the "death of gamers".
I mean. Where is #MachinimaGate for example? The essence of that particular scandal was no different, yet it didn't generate anything like the spectacle that #Gamergate and this Quinnspiracy rubbish has generated.
No doubt they are numerical a minority, the problem is that, as with anything on the internet, their voices can be projected louder because it is easier. The other problem being is that a number of gamers don't want to be bothered by this situations, they just want to enjoy their games.What abuse? Haven't you heard? Zoe Quinn and Anita actually faked all the death and rape threats they received DURRRRRRRRR?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
And we all know what is said about what evil needs to truimph
As for Gamersgate itself, in principal it is a good idea. There are so many problems with publishers and reviewers that something should have happened, but it should have happened a great deal earlier. For example, during the Machinima/Microsoft situation or during Sega round of takedowns on people reviewing their older shining force games, or the nonsense revolving the early demonstrations of Aliens : Colonial Marines. These are events that desire this sort of blow out that Gamersgate seems to have come about.
But Zoe Quinn getting a passing reference to her game after sleeping with a reviewer? And this game in particular was free to play (while there was a pay what you think situation going, it doesn't change the fact that it is free) so she could have no reasonable expectation of gaining much in the way of profit. Why was it that this was the tipping point for the blow out when in comparison it is so relatively minor?
Now, from what I can see of the evidence of censorship and supression of the discussion? Yes, that is just as much of a problem because it serves no purpose other than to infruriate and annoy people who believe they have a valid point to make. I imagine a fair amount of the censorship and supression in regards to Zoe Quinn comes from an overly heavy-handed attempt to stop abusive, aggression and trolling just because certain people feel they should be allowed to be abusive. Should it happen? I'm not entirely sure, I don't agree with the supression of discussion and disagreement, on the other hand, if it is purely abuse than I don't see why people should be given a forum for it, as it is neither productive or helpful
Could the criticism of what Zoe Quinn 'might' have done have been orginally valid? Possibly, and personally, if she did that then she needs to take a serious look at her own ethics, but given the rather sketchy evidence presented as to her actions, a jilted ex- and some rather unclear disagreement with a group of female gamers? I am rather reluctant to say much either way.
The bigger problem is that the focus on Zoe Quinn actually gets away from the larger problem at hand. The messed up state of game reviewing, how so much of it is just PR and advertising for the industry at large, and the lack of ethics in general. If people want to examine the behaviour of an individual, there needs to be a major overhaul of the system first
What mass suppression? I mean, besides some dumbasses on obscure blogging sights the thing got pretty big pretty fast.Given the fact that it is somehow a massive deal compared to other events of taint and corruption within game journalism, I rather disagree.What propelled this drama to such heights wasn't so much the merits of the original scandal itself, but the mass suppression of discussion of it, the vitriol being spewed by gaming journalists, and the release of fourteen articles in the span of two days declaring the "death of gamers".
I mean. Where is #MachinimaGate for example? The essence of that particular scandal was no different, yet it didn't generate anything like the spectacle that #Gamergate and this Quinnspiracy rubbish has generated.
Haven't you been paying attention? MiniJust has been banning users who disagree with them, silencing their critics with false DMCA-takedowns, and doing a lot of other censorship.What mass suppression? I mean, besides some dumbasses on obscure blogging sights the thing got pretty big pretty fast.Given the fact that it is somehow a massive deal compared to other events of taint and corruption within game journalism, I rather disagree.What propelled this drama to such heights wasn't so much the merits of the original scandal itself, but the mass suppression of discussion of it, the vitriol being spewed by gaming journalists, and the release of fourteen articles in the span of two days declaring the "death of gamers".
I mean. Where is #MachinimaGate for example? The essence of that particular scandal was no different, yet it didn't generate anything like the spectacle that #Gamergate and this Quinnspiracy rubbish has generated.
There is evidence to suggest that they faked their threats. I already discussed Anita, and here's an image that raises serious doubts about Zoe's story:No doubt they are numerical a minority, the problem is that, as with anything on the internet, their voices can be projected louder because it is easier. The other problem being is that a number of gamers don't want to be bothered by this situations, they just want to enjoy their games.What abuse? Haven't you heard? Zoe Quinn and Anita actually faked all the death and rape threats they received DURRRRRRRRR?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
And we all know what is said about what evil needs to truimph
As for Gamersgate itself, in principal it is a good idea. There are so many problems with publishers and reviewers that something should have happened, but it should have happened a great deal earlier. For example, during the Machinima/Microsoft situation or during Sega round of takedowns on people reviewing their older shining force games, or the nonsense revolving the early demonstrations of Aliens : Colonial Marines. These are events that desire this sort of blow out that Gamersgate seems to have come about.
But Zoe Quinn getting a passing reference to her game after sleeping with a reviewer? And this game in particular was free to play (while there was a pay what you think situation going, it doesn't change the fact that it is free) so she could have no reasonable expectation of gaining much in the way of profit. Why was it that this was the tipping point for the blow out when in comparison it is so relatively minor?
Now, from what I can see of the evidence of censorship and supression of the discussion? Yes, that is just as much of a problem because it serves no purpose other than to infruriate and annoy people who believe they have a valid point to make. I imagine a fair amount of the censorship and supression in regards to Zoe Quinn comes from an overly heavy-handed attempt to stop abusive, aggression and trolling just because certain people feel they should be allowed to be abusive. Should it happen? I'm not entirely sure, I don't agree with the supression of discussion and disagreement, on the other hand, if it is purely abuse than I don't see why people should be given a forum for it, as it is neither productive or helpful
Could the criticism of what Zoe Quinn 'might' have done have been orginally valid? Possibly, and personally, if she did that then she needs to take a serious look at her own ethics, but given the rather sketchy evidence presented as to her actions, a jilted ex- and some rather unclear disagreement with a group of female gamers? I am rather reluctant to say much either way.
The bigger problem is that the focus on Zoe Quinn actually gets away from the larger problem at hand. The messed up state of game reviewing, how so much of it is just PR and advertising for the industry at large, and the lack of ethics in general. If people want to examine the behaviour of an individual, there needs to be a major overhaul of the system first
An anonymous e-mailer threatened to blow up a bomb at the Game Developers Choice Awards this past March unless the hosts rescinded an award recognizing feminist critic Anita Sarkeesian, the organizers of the event have confirmed to Kotaku.
"We can confirm that approximately 25 of GDC's organizers received an anonymous email early in the morning of Wednesday, March 19th, 2014 during GDC 2014," the organizers said in a statement.
"The email stated the following: 'A bomb will be detonated at the Game Developer's Choice award ceremony tonight unless Anita Sarkeesian's Ambassador Award is revoked. We estimate the bomb will kill at least a dozen people and injure dozens more. It would be in your best interest to accept our simple request. This is not a joke. You have been warned.'"
The threat merited the attention of the San Francisco Police Department's Explosive Ordinance Disposal Division, which sent officers and bomb-sniffing dogs to the Moscone Center, where GDC is held.
You know when UP decided to agree with someone who wanted to append a but to the statement "Nobody deserves to be threatened", I nearly lost my shit. Now I wanna see something. Hey UP, defend the Gamergate scum who tried this please. (http://kotaku.com/bomb-threat-targeted-anita-sarkeesian-gaming-awards-la-1636032301?utm_campaign=Socialflow_Kotaku_Twitter&utm_source=Kotaku_Twitter&utm_medium=Socialflow)QuoteAn anonymous e-mailer threatened to blow up a bomb at the Game Developers Choice Awards this past March unless the hosts rescinded an award recognizing feminist critic Anita Sarkeesian, the organizers of the event have confirmed to Kotaku.
"We can confirm that approximately 25 of GDC's organizers received an anonymous email early in the morning of Wednesday, March 19th, 2014 during GDC 2014," the organizers said in a statement.
"The email stated the following: 'A bomb will be detonated at the Game Developer's Choice award ceremony tonight unless Anita Sarkeesian's Ambassador Award is revoked. We estimate the bomb will kill at least a dozen people and injure dozens more. It would be in your best interest to accept our simple request. This is not a joke. You have been warned.'"
The threat merited the attention of the San Francisco Police Department's Explosive Ordinance Disposal Division, which sent officers and bomb-sniffing dogs to the Moscone Center, where GDC is held.
Ironbite-but Anita totally deserved this didn't she? She did get more money then she asked for and therefore is a scam artist.
So did he defend it? Cause I'm not clicking on show me the post anymore with him.He claims it didn't happened and that it has no bearing on gamergate.
You know when UP decided to agree with someone who wanted to append a but to the statement "Nobody deserves to be threatened", I nearly lost my shit. Now I wanna see something. Hey UP, defend the Gamergate scum who tried this please. (http://kotaku.com/bomb-threat-targeted-anita-sarkeesian-gaming-awards-la-1636032301?utm_campaign=Socialflow_Kotaku_Twitter&utm_source=Kotaku_Twitter&utm_medium=Socialflow)That happened in March. I guess gamergaters are time travelers now.
Oh, and just FYI, Leigh Alexander is a bully:Leigh Alexander is all kinds of terrible person.
(http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/832/458/268.jpg_large)
Know what? It doesn't fucking matter when it happened. Guess where all those Gamergate assholes came from?I find that a dubious assertion.
SHIT LIKE THIS!
Ironbite-oooh, new person to put on iggy as well!
(http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/813/759/1e4.png)Okay, fine, you win, whatever.
You know there feminists involved in GamerGate, right?(http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/813/759/1e4.png)Okay, fine, you win, whatever.
Why is it every time I get into an argument on this site I lose.
Anyway, I've had no access to any wifi in forever and all my passwords aren't working and every feminist on it turns out every feminist source on the internet is wrong and AVFM and The Amazing Atheist were right all along.
I hate my life.
Not as many as there was MRA's.
Anyway, I'm depressed about being wrong.
Plz no bad feels. :(
I dream violently murdering anyone who I disagree with...Not as many as there was MRA's.
Anyway, I'm depressed about being wrong.
Plz no bad feels. :(
don't worry, no tears only dreams now
I think the biggest crime about this whole thing is that now people have been divided into "Gamergate" and "Anti-Gamergate" when, in fact, most of this forum doesn't give a damn shit about the distinction, including a lot of people that have been de facto labelled "anti-Gamergate" for daring to point out that MRA dudebros are asshole and will be assholes - as if they were somehow talking about all of Gamergate.Okay, so you're not anti-GamerGate. And you made some good points. However, the crux of your argument (that GamerGate is dominated by misogynistic dudebros) is demonstrably wrong. Ergo, your argument that there are "no good guys or bad guys" is incorrect.
Fact of the matter is, dudebros LOVE to hurl abuse at any woman saying something they don't like. I'm not even talking about mysterious anonymous threats that may or may not be the person sending it to themselves. I'm talking about real people leaving abusive, shitty comments all over the fucking place telling everyone how much they would love to beat Anita Sarkeesian to a bloody pulp, and even making a flash game where you do just that. It exists. I've not only seen it, but we've even had a dudebro on this very forum post a screenshot from it proudly.
Fact of the matter is, the anti-Gamergate crowd has a bunch of radfems and other SJWs. This is true.
But it does not invalidate the fact that Gamergate DOES have a lot of abusive MRA fuckwits in it.
There is no "Good guys and bad guys" scenario here. What we have are a bunch of fuckwits infesting both sides of a debate. We have two people who are guilty of other things that a lot of dudebros have outright stated in public forums that they wish they could beat to a bloody pulp. These things are not faked, and just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean they don't exist.
So don't give me your pure, unadulterated bullshit about how no one is being abusive towards Quinn and Sarkeesian. Because it is. I've seen how entitled male gamers act. They will always speak up in any situation that even slightly concerns them, and many situations that don't. Gamergate concerns them. Gamergate may have a diverse gathering of different people, and that diversity includes MRAs, fedora-wearing "nice guys", and gamers who think games are only for men and no one else.
There is a lot of sexism in the gaming community, like you wouldn't believe. And right now, I have seen several people deny this.
Do not sacrifice your intelligence to blindly follow Gamergate. Do not.
I am not a part of Gamergate. Nor am I anti-Gamergate. I am simply a feminist gamer who is sick and tired of the bullshit we men inflict on women and ourselves, and you are an asshole if you think you can sort me into one house or the other.
Okay, so you're not anti-GamerGate. And you made some good points. However, the crux of your argument (that GamerGate is dominated by misogynistic dudebros) is
Okay. Sorry I misunderstood you.Okay, so you're not anti-GamerGate. And you made some good points. However, the crux of your argument (that GamerGate is dominated by misogynistic dudebros) is
Non-existent. I have never said it was dominated by misogynistic dudebros.
Instead, I have been talking about the dudebros themselves.
You are the one that keeps linking things back to Gamergate, as if I was talking about all of Gamergate whenever I criticize misogynists and MRAs. In fact, that's what you've been doing this entire time to everyone who says anything that isn't absolutely pro-Gamergate in this topic.
My only point is that MRAs exist in Gamergate.
See, you say that there's good people in Gamergate. And I believe you.
But believe me when I say that there's also good people that are against Gamergate.
And that the assholes on both sides of the debate are ruining it for everyone.
So, how about you stop shoving words down people's throats, okay?
As the core of your argument rests on the assumption you made that I believed that Gamergate was somehow dominated by MRAs, I don't really see the need to talk about the rest of your talking points, considering they're moot.
I think everyone you've been attacking in this topic deserves an apology.
Okay. Sorry I misunderstood you.Okay, so you're not anti-GamerGate. And you made some good points. However, the crux of your argument (that GamerGate is dominated by misogynistic dudebros) is
Non-existent. I have never said it was dominated by misogynistic dudebros.
Instead, I have been talking about the dudebros themselves.
You are the one that keeps linking things back to Gamergate, as if I was talking about all of Gamergate whenever I criticize misogynists and MRAs. In fact, that's what you've been doing this entire time to everyone who says anything that isn't absolutely pro-Gamergate in this topic.
My only point is that MRAs exist in Gamergate.
See, you say that there's good people in Gamergate. And I believe you.
But believe me when I say that there's also good people that are against Gamergate.
And that the assholes on both sides of the debate are ruining it for everyone.
So, how about you stop shoving words down people's throats, okay?
As the core of your argument rests on the assumption you made that I believed that Gamergate was somehow dominated by MRAs, I don't really see the need to talk about the rest of your talking points, considering they're moot.
I think everyone you've been attacking in this topic deserves an apology.
However, the core of my argument was not my misunderstanding. It was the fact that GamerGate has a much better claim to moral superiority than MiniJust. So my talking points are not moot, thank you very much.
And why do dragons turn me on?
As for Zoe, she lied to her boyfriend about her affairs. And if the story about her affairs is wrong, then why did they try to suppress it?
Is this sufficient proof?As for Zoe, she lied to her boyfriend about her affairs. And if the story about her affairs is wrong, then why did they try to suppress it?
If... so I guess there is still no proof that this is anything more than a dick move by a jealous ex.
Why try to suppress it? Because guys like you want to believe it. Short of him retracting the statement there is no counter move Zoe could make other than keeping it out of the public eye because she is assumed to be guilty.
I disagree that they have a better claim. Let me know when Gamergate starts calling out their own dudebros. Let me know when they realize that this whole crusade is a waste of time and resources.
Also I don't really even know what MiniJust is. I doubt it's the entirety of everyone who disagrees with Gamergate. What, are we adding MORE labels to the pile?
Okay, so you're not anti-GamerGate. And you made some good points. However, the crux of your argument (that GamerGate is dominated by misogynistic dudebros) is demonstrably wrong. Ergo, your argument that there are "no good guys or bad guys" is incorrect.
Is this sufficient proof?
Is this sufficient proof?As for Zoe, she lied to her boyfriend about her affairs. And if the story about her affairs is wrong, then why did they try to suppress it?
If... so I guess there is still no proof that this is anything more than a dick move by a jealous ex.
Why try to suppress it? Because guys like you want to believe it. Short of him retracting the statement there is no counter move Zoe could make other than keeping it out of the public eye because she is assumed to be guilty.(click to show/hide)(click to show/hide)(click to show/hide)(click to show/hide)
Is this sufficient proof?...Is Zoe Quinn's real Twitter handle actually "@TheQuinnspiracy"? That smells a little like bullshit.(click to show/hide)(click to show/hide)(click to show/hide)(click to show/hide)
Boy am I glad I bowed out of this one... *checks* 12 pages ago.Smart choice.
Threats towards GG supporters:(click to show/hide)
(http://38.media.tumblr.com/9395a75d618497481f54e34aa44cc5b0/tumblr_nc6utsnVdu1tkhroeo1_500.png)
Edit: Oh, and someone sent Milo a syringe with an unknown substance in the mail:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ByDpICHIAAAVuhj.jpg)
Magus? shall I get the alcohol? I'm thinking we're gonna need it, brother.
Magus? shall I get the alcohol? I'm thinking we're gonna need it, brother.
Magus? shall I get the alcohol? I'm thinking we're gonna need it, brother.
Can I have some, or I am still not allowed to drink beer after I shot the OSHA guy?
Magus? shall I get the alcohol? I'm thinking we're gonna need it, brother.
Forget Mike's Hard Lemonade, we're gonna need the Mike's Harder Lemonade.
As far as the "moral high ground" goes... how come these people represent everyone who oppose/doesn't stand with Gamergate, but the MRA dudebros don't represent everyone who does support Gamergate?These examples probably aren't representative of anti-gg. In the vast expanses of the internet, you'll find people willing to engage in harassment over nearly anything, and it usually doesn't reflect upon the larger group to any meaningful extent. I've seen threats and abuse in the comments for online food recipes. However, as it is doubtful that there will be many articles from the gaming media denouncing them, it falls upon us to document these incidents and raise awareness of them.
So where's the skepticism towards these people receiving threats?
After all, they can just as easily be faking all of this shit. Even/especially the syringe.
As far as the "moral high ground" goes... how come these people represent everyone who oppose/doesn't stand with Gamergate, but the MRA dudebros don't represent everyone who does support Gamergate?
You're remarkably fantastic at doing double standards.
(By the way, I don't recall claiming that the anti-gamergate crowd had the moral high ground, either. In fact, I remmber claiming that NO ONE had the moral high ground in this scenario. And I still stand by that, no matter how one-sided you present everything.)
I agree, anything can be faked on the Internet, for Twitter all you have to do is register for a few sockpuppets and then use those sockpuppets to tweet those kinds of messages to yourself. You can pretty much do this on any social media as far as I know. Given how dudebros act on the Internet and the nature of 4Chan and such, I wouldn't be surprised if it was a bunch of MRAs doing this in order to discredit so-called "SJWs." It wouldn't be the first, they have been behind the bikini bridge hoax (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-life/10563823/Bikini-Bridge-hoax-how-the-internet-ate-itself.html) designed to make women feel ashamed of their bodies (like we don't get that enough?) and also the "End Father's Day" Twitter hashtag (http://www.dailydot.com/lifestyle/4chan-end-fathers-day/) designed to make it seem that feminists want to get rid of Father's Day.It is good to maintain skepticism, so long as it does not turn into denialism. In interest of providing the information necessary to make a proper judgement, I will henceforth begin providing links to go along with screencaps I post.
Also, I think I've read somewhere that the #notyourshield hashtag was a form of astroturfing, or it started out as such, to make it look like minorities were against the other side.I'm sure you have. More than a few gaming journalists have made asses out of themselves pushing that narrative:
I took the tweet down because you idiots spun "wow that's fucked up data" into imaginary infighting. @JasonBorgonsson @Spacekatgal
Or, y'know, she was showing sympathy (https://twitter.com/TheQuinnspiracy/status/528587373417091074).QuoteI took the tweet down because you idiots spun "wow that's fucked up data" into imaginary infighting. @JasonBorgonsson @Spacekatgal
WHY DO YOU FUCKING CARE?
Or, y'know, she was showing sympathy (https://twitter.com/TheQuinnspiracy/status/528587373417091074).QuoteI took the tweet down because you idiots spun "wow that's fucked up data" into imaginary infighting. @JasonBorgonsson @Spacekatgal
So why did she block the guy debunking her story?
I'm getting a massive headache.
Ironbite-and it's not from some guy trying to burst out of my armor.
You need to see Kyoryuger to know that's not as awesome as you might think.