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Re: Romney: "I'm not concerned about the very poor"
« Reply #30 on: February 03, 2012, 09:01:38 am »
The problem with Obama's health care reform is that the GOP is over-run with Randian Objectivists, Evangelical Capitalists, and McCarthy-style Communiophobes.

The Randians object because in their ethos, if you can't provide it for yourself you don't deserve to have it, so those who can not secure access to health care entirely on their own do not deserve to have any health care. "Are there no workhouses? No prisons?" The Randians think it is right and just for this "surplus population" to die from lack of health care.

The Evangelical Capitalists are so committed to the "pull yourself up by your own bootstraps / God helps those who help themselves" meme that they can't see past it to realize that this ethos screws you entirely if you HAVE no bootstraps to pull up, if the bootstraps were taken by a predatory bank, or if you are stuck in a desperation subsistence job that doesn't pay enough to even take the bus down to the bootstrap store to window shop. Oh, and that God has never been proven to directly help anyone get health care. These people are downright offended by the idea of Obamacare because they believe their patented Capitalist Jesus would hate it. Which is weird, because the Jesus of the Bible personally provided free health care to every single person who asked him for it whether they deserved it or not.

The McCarthyists? Well, they are so terrified of anything that can be even remotely described as "socialist" that they have fainting attacks at the mere word. (Nevermind that the Soviet Union is long gone, and was never "socialist" to begin with. Hell, during the Soviet era, with our food stamps, housing assistance, and Social Security, the USA was more socialist than the Soviets were.) They don't really know what Obamacare even is because at the first mention of it they clamp their hands over their ears and scream "LA LA LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU LA LA LA LA!"

But I think in the end they are all really just Randian Objectivists, and are so deeply resentful of being asked to help others. They just don't give a shit if their neighbor dies of cancer or pneumonia as long as they get $20 more in their paychecks to spend on porn and Bibles.

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Re: Romney: "I'm not concerned about the very poor"
« Reply #31 on: February 03, 2012, 09:31:46 am »
Quote from: sandman on February 02, 2012, 10:04:47 am
If he is unconcerned about the wealthy, why does he insist they need more tax cuts? Sounds pretty concerned to me.

He says that he is unconcerned with the poor because there are "safety nets" in place, and when he is President (god forbid) he will "plug any holes" in that safety net. Does he not realize what a "safety net" is?

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Quote from: sandman on February 02, 2012, 06:39:02 pm
Yeah, I saw some assclown on TV the other day saying how voter ID is utterly essential to prevent what he called "serious and systemic voter fraud," even though when pressed he could not name a single instance of voter fraud.
Well, there is that guy that committed fraud just to show that the fraud was possible. ::)
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Re: Romney: "I'm not concerned about the very poor"
« Reply #32 on: February 03, 2012, 10:02:32 am »
Quote from: clockworkgirl21 on February 03, 2012, 06:48:33 am
What is it about Obamacare that Rush doesn't like? That it offered millions of people medical care that didn't have access to it? That insurance companies can't kick people off their policy because of a pre-existing condition? That if you make your insurance payments, they can't deny you coverage when you get sick?

Sandman did a very good job of answering this question, but there wasn't enough cynicism. So I'll take a stab at it.

Currently, the point of politics is to win. Wait. Let me back up. Everyone here knows that Fox News is the GOP's PR department in fact, if not in name. So when talking about the Republican party, Fox News is tossed in there as well. So the point of politics is to win. Any governing going on is a tool to win like sports plays. I'll use (American) football since that's easiest for me. So for example the Democrats are pushing legislation for SSM. Cool. They are energizing their base. A run play. Well, there's another team who doesn't want the Democratic party running up the score. So they set up for a run defense, energizing their own base. "Obamacare" is a forty five yard pass. And the GOP's safety right now (on that issue) is hauling ass to tackle the receiver. In this case, Rush, Hannity, and the other talking heads would be your secondary defense trying to end the play before a touchdown. And to be honest, they did a good job. With how watered down the bill became, we ended up with a field goal rather than a touchdown.


Romney isn't concerned about the poor people? No shit. They can't help him win. Obama in '08 saw and used the numbers of the not extremely monied.
But yeah. There can only be one winner. The Republicans want to be it and so do the Democrats.
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Re: Romney: "I'm not concerned about the very poor"
« Reply #33 on: February 03, 2012, 03:57:11 pm »
Quote from: sandman on February 02, 2012, 06:39:02 pm
Yeah, I saw some assclown on TV the other day saying how voter ID is utterly essential to prevent what he called "serious and systemic voter fraud," even though when pressed he could not name a single instance of voter fraud. Voter fraud is a bugbear, a made-up crisis to justify ramming through all these photo-ID voter laws.

The reality is that these ID laws will essentially disenfranchise around 3 million American voters, almost exclusively in urban and far-rural areas. This voter demographic skews overwhelmingly Democrat when taken as a whole.

Aren't a lot of people in rural areas conservative, and also a lot of the elderly?
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Quote from: Vene on February 03, 2012, 04:05:39 pm
I'd be more sympathetic if people here didn't act like they knew what they were saying when they were saying something very much wrong.

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Re: Romney: "I'm not concerned about the very poor"
« Reply #34 on: February 03, 2012, 04:00:15 pm »
Romney says he just misspoke and leave him alone already.

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Mitt Romney got his chance to clarify comments he made during an interview with CNN's Soledad O'Brien in which he said he was "not concerned about the very poor." In an interview Thursday with Fox News host Sean Hannity, the former Massachusetts governor expressed regret for his comments, saying, "I misspoke."

"I wish I wouldn't have said it that way. I made the same thought part of my speeches over the last year or two, which is that I'm really concerned about middle-income Americans. I want to help middle-income Americans. I want to get people out of poverty, into the middle-income category."
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Re: Romney: "I'm not concerned about the very poor"
« Reply #35 on: February 03, 2012, 04:08:41 pm »
Quote from: Shane for Wax on February 03, 2012, 04:00:15 pm
Romney says he just misspoke and leave him alone already.

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Mitt Romney got his chance to clarify comments he made during an interview with CNN's Soledad O'Brien in which he said he was "not concerned about the very poor." In an interview Thursday with Fox News host Sean Hannity, the former Massachusetts governor expressed regret for his comments, saying, "I misspoke."

"I wish I wouldn't have said it that way. I made the same thought part of my speeches over the last year or two, which is that I'm really concerned about middle-income Americans. I want to help middle-income Americans. I want to get people out of poverty, into the middle-income category."

Sure is easy to backpedal when you get heavily criticized for your remarks, isn't it?
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Re: Romney: "I'm not concerned about the very poor"
« Reply #36 on: February 03, 2012, 07:54:04 pm »
I understand if you mis-speak, but Mitt....you want to be President of the United States. The leader of the free world. Arguably one of the most powerful men on planet Earth. The standards for the job are quite high, and include being able to say what you mean clearly the first time you say it.
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Re: Romney: "I'm not concerned about the very poor"
« Reply #37 on: February 04, 2012, 08:56:12 am »
Quote from: sandman on February 03, 2012, 07:54:04 pm
I understand if you mis-speak, but Mitt....you want to be President of the United States. The leader of the free world. Arguably one of the most powerful men on planet Earth. The standards for the job are quite high, and include being able to say what you mean clearly the first time you say it.
Hey, if W. can get in, why not Mitt?  ;D
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Re: Romney: "I'm not concerned about the very poor"
« Reply #38 on: February 04, 2012, 10:53:40 am »
I objected to W, too.
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Re: Romney: "I'm not concerned about the very poor"
« Reply #39 on: February 04, 2012, 06:51:02 pm »
Quote from: sandman on February 03, 2012, 09:01:38 am
The problem with Obama's health care reform is that the GOP is over-run with Randian Objectivists, Evangelical Capitalists, and McCarthy-style Communiophobes.

Wasn't Obama's healthcare reform the same one pushed by the conservative think tank, the Heritage Foundation?
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Quote from: Vene on February 03, 2012, 04:05:39 pm
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Re: Romney: "I'm not concerned about the very poor"
« Reply #40 on: February 04, 2012, 07:08:39 pm »
I don't know about it being pushed by the Heritage Foundation, but it was pushed by the GOP as an alternative to Hillary Care.
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Re: Romney: "I'm not concerned about the very poor"
« Reply #41 on: February 04, 2012, 07:16:03 pm »
I think Gingrich pushed something similar during the Clinton Administration.

Here's what I was able to find about it.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ugtS60oVts" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ugtS60oVts</a>

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZiDDd8GsRs" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZiDDd8GsRs</a>


http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2010/04/author_author.html

Of course RWingers don't want to assoicate themselves with a Muslim hippie Nazi socialist from Kenya Mars.
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Quote from: Vene on February 03, 2012, 04:05:39 pm
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Re: Romney: "I'm not concerned about the very poor"
« Reply #42 on: February 05, 2012, 12:46:15 pm »
Quote from: Lexikon on February 04, 2012, 06:51:02 pm
Quote from: sandman on February 03, 2012, 09:01:38 am
The problem with Obama's health care reform is that the GOP is over-run with Randian Objectivists, Evangelical Capitalists, and McCarthy-style Communiophobes.

Wasn't Obama's healthcare reform the same one pushed by the conservative think tank, the Heritage Foundation?
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