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Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Reply #90 on: September 01, 2015, 11:54:51 am »
So 'Hot Ryu' is shirtless to show off his muscles and hyper-masculinity in order to emphasize his combat prowess. Mika is virtually shirtless to show off her tits.

Big strong man punch thing hard vs. I like boobies.

Ah yes, the "male power fantasy" refrain.  Well, romance novels are intended for women.  But if you see a man on one's cover, chances are he's muscular and shirtless.  Obviously, enough women find that attractive for it to be a viable marketing tactic.

Of course it's a viable marketing tactic for attracting bored, middle age and older housewives.

Now, could you please remind me what the target demographic is for the video game in question?

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Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Reply #91 on: September 01, 2015, 12:02:11 pm »
So 'Hot Ryu' is shirtless to show off his muscles and hyper-masculinity in order to emphasize his combat prowess. Mika is virtually shirtless to show off her tits.

Big strong man punch thing hard vs. I like boobies.

Ah yes, the "male power fantasy" refrain.  Well, romance novels are intended for women.  But if you see a man on one's cover, chances are he's muscular and shirtless.  Obviously, enough women find that attractive for it to be a viable marketing tactic.

Of course it's a viable marketing tactic for attracting bored, middle age and older housewives.

Now, could you please remind me what the target demographic is for the video game in question?

Aren't most gamers women these days?  It's a slim majority, but a majority nevertheless.

And if it's okay for something female-oriented to have beefcake, why is it wrong for something (supposedly) male-oriented to have cheesecake?
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Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Reply #92 on: September 01, 2015, 12:17:04 pm »
If you include all gamers of the broadest definition of video games, including free online point-and-click ultra casual stuff, yes, women are more than half because that category definition is as wide as the world, basically. If you mean gamers as in MMO, PSN and Xbox Live, etc., women are possibly about 5% less than half to date. One thing about uber-muscle male characters is that they are probably meant to appeal to both sexes for different reasons, role model for one and sex object for the other. Hyper-sexy, jiggly female characters are so ubiquitous that straight females probably only register them as just another annoyance that one deals with to play an otherwise good game. Sometimes the characters' hyper-sexy pandering allegedly to appeal to young straight males is downright hilarious, at least for a lesbian like me. I enjoy playing TR/Lara Croft games, but her tits and ass have always been characters in their own right, just like Jessica Rabbit's.
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Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Reply #93 on: September 01, 2015, 03:48:13 pm »
If you include all gamers of the broadest definition of video games, including free online point-and-click ultra casual stuff, yes, women are more than half because that category definition is as wide as the world, basically. If you mean gamers as in MMO, PSN and Xbox Live, etc., women are possibly about 5% less than half to date. One thing about uber-muscle male characters is that they are probably meant to appeal to both sexes for different reasons, role model for one and sex object for the other. Hyper-sexy, jiggly female characters are so ubiquitous that straight females probably only register them as just another annoyance that one deals with to play an otherwise good game. Sometimes the characters' hyper-sexy pandering allegedly to appeal to young straight males is downright hilarious, at least for a lesbian like me. I enjoy playing TR/Lara Croft games, but her tits and ass have always been characters in their own right, just like Jessica Rabbit's.

I guess you have a point, at least about some female characters.  But keep in mind, the line between "sex object" and "female power fantasy" is rather blurry.  Power fantasies aren't just about kicking ass.  More often than not, they're also about looking good doing it.  They're wish fulfillment, with everything that entails.  How many men want to be the Thing?  I'm pretty sure most guys don't think being made of orange rock is an acceptable tradeoff for superpowers.  Batman, on the other hand, is nowhere near as powerful, but I think most guys would rather be him than Ben Grimm.

It's the same for women.  Bayonetta, for example, was created by a woman, and plenty of women adore her.  This isn't just true for video games.  I looked up the statistics.  Many, many sexualized comic book heroines have dedicated female fanbases.

And it should be taken into account that there are female "eye candy" characters who look legitimately tough.  Cammy White, for example.  She is jacked.  Where, exactly, does she fall?  She's got too much visible musculature to fall into the stereotypes of sexualized women, and yet plenty of men find her attractive.  Then again, said musculature breaks the mold when it comes to all too many female characters in video games.

Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't mind seeing less sexualized female characters in mainstream games.  But I'd prefer that this involves creating new characters, rather than changing existing ones.

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Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Reply #94 on: September 03, 2015, 07:38:42 am »
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So, African-Americans are owed reparations for slavery, huh? By that logic, Italy owes reparations to Spain, Tunisia, Greece, Algeria, Morocco, Turkey, Syria, France, Egypt, the UK, Israel, Romania, Iraq, and all the other countries that were conquered by Rome, since Ancient Rome took slaves from all its conquests.

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Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Reply #95 on: September 03, 2015, 09:51:57 am »
The Republic of Italy is not the same government as the Empire of Rome, though. The USA has the same government now as we did back then, so the idea of reparations makes more sense.
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Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Reply #96 on: September 04, 2015, 06:50:40 pm »


originally titled "modern activism".

once upon a time, activism could get you in trouble. nowadays, it gets you followers on tumblr.

humanity fail.
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Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Reply #97 on: September 04, 2015, 07:59:50 pm »
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originally titled "modern activism".

once upon a time, activism could get you in trouble. nowadays, it gets you followers on tumblr.

humanity fail.

I'm pretty sure the intended point of that was to sharply criticize tumblrinas and gators that attach themselves to photoshopped holding-a-piece-of-paper templates.

The whole format is just begging for dishonest reuse.
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Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Reply #98 on: September 06, 2015, 10:57:01 am »
Well, yeah.  It's all too easy to 'shop in "I eat my own boogers" or something, especially given how straight and even the text is.
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Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
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Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Reply #100 on: September 07, 2015, 02:17:36 pm »


Even that's not right: someone is in jail for defying a court order.

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Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
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Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
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Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Reply #103 on: September 07, 2015, 05:46:24 pm »
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Re: Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Reply #104 on: September 07, 2015, 06:58:02 pm »
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