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LOGO shifting away from homosexuality
« on: February 29, 2012, 06:59:40 pm »
http://www.queerty.com/exclusive-logos-new-programming-slate-reveals-shift-away-from-gay-centric-shows-20120221/

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Is Logo, America’s first broadcast channel for the LGBT community, going straight?
The network let Queerty have a sneak peek at its upcoming programming slate for 2012 and there’s no denying there’s been a shift in focus: Greenlighted programs for the spring and fall include Design My Dog, a canine makeover series from the creators of America’s Next Top Model; Eden Wood’s World, an unscripted series about Toddlers & Tiara’s 6-year-old diva Eden Wood; and Wiseguys, a sort of Real Housewives meets Mob Wives show following a straight Mafia princess‘ adjustment to life in L.A.
Also on the schedule are pop-culture countdown shows Scandalicious and Outrageous, and two family/relationship-oriented series, the tough-love therapy show Love Lockdown and The Baby Wait, which follows various couples through the open-adoption process.

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“From our research, gay people are living far more integrated lives that before,” says Sherman, referencing a study Logo conducted with Starcom Mediavest Group that indicated 53% of LGBTs didn’t see showcasing their orientation as a priority and only 30% “preferred living and socializing in exclusively gay and lesbian communities.”
“Being gay is an important part of their lives but it’s not what they lead with,” she explains. “So if we’re going to keep to that idea of displaying their lives, we need to reflect that new reality.”

A former staffer in Logo’s development department whom we’ll identify as “John Smith,” is suspicious of this spin. He claims the channel is betraying its original mission of creating queer television: “They’re only developing shows with non-gay leads. They are trying to be Bravo—a gay best friend—as opposed to just being gay.”
Smith also says others at the network aren’t happy with the changes. “I was right there. I would hear the meetings and the phone calls. Not one new show has a gay lead. It makes everyone that works there sick to their stomachs, but they’re all afraid to say anything.”
So what’s motivated this major left turn? Joe Del Hierro, producer of Logo shows like Transamerican Love Story and The Big Gay Sketch Show, claims it’s a financial decision: “They need to appeal to a broader audience to get the numbers up, so they can charge more for ad revenues. It’s what Bravo did in its early years.”
But Smith disagrees: “I worked very closely with sales and there are tons of major brands [that] not only support LGBT programming, but are required to spend on LGBT-oriented material. Several huge corporations have that mandate.”

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Meh... even if I never watched LOGO much, at least it was there.  I'm actually kinda upset about this.

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Re: LOGO shifting away from homosexuality
« Reply #1 on: February 29, 2012, 07:10:30 pm »
It is sad...I hate network decay. I've watched LOGO many times, though I can't watch those docs they show on there, because I always get the urge to punch the TV in the middle of them.
Also is it wrong that I not only want to watch the Dog makeover show, but want my dog to appear on it??
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Re: LOGO shifting away from homosexuality
« Reply #2 on: February 29, 2012, 07:49:44 pm »
Usually LOGO only shows RuPaul BS... Sometimes, SOMETIMES you'll get L Word or Buffy.

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Re: LOGO shifting away from homosexuality
« Reply #3 on: February 29, 2012, 08:30:22 pm »
Eden Wood’s World, an unscripted series about Toddlers & Tiara’s 6-year-old diva Eden Wood

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Re: LOGO shifting away from homosexuality
« Reply #4 on: February 29, 2012, 09:58:01 pm »
Why do they insist on forcing the straight agenda on others? This is an outrage! I'm not sure those people should even be allowed to marry.
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Re: LOGO shifting away from homosexuality
« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2012, 12:03:26 am »
I don't really see the problem. I don't think the title really limits its style (Like CN and MTV).

Plus a show doesn't need gay characters for gay people to enjoy them. Maybe I just don't think people should assume that something is geared to a certain group whether it is age, race, gender, sexual orientation, race or other.
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Re: LOGO shifting away from homosexuality
« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2012, 12:08:45 am »
Why do they insist on forcing the straight agenda on others? This is an outrage! I'm not sure those people should even be allowed to marry.

+1'd.

That's just dumb. I never watched LOGO, but this kind of shit is almost as stupid as when Sci-Fi became Syfy. It's just... facepalm-worthy.
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Re: LOGO shifting away from homosexuality
« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2012, 02:16:24 am »
Ok. Let's see if I understood this.

After making a study on their main demographic, the GLBT, they notice that for the majority of GLBT-people their sexual orientation is just one part of their personality and not everything they do has to reflect that. As in when they have breakfast it is just a breakfast not "gay-breakfast." In other words just because you are gay this does not mean that you only watch "Gay"-TV-shows.

How does that work anyway? If I watch L-word do I lose my hetero-card? What if a lesbian watches Firefly (Because it is a good show) do they suddenly become straight? Or are they still "Queer-for-Glau?" What about hockey, is that queer?

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“There may be people who are unhappy with this,” Sherman admits. “The majority, though, are telling us they want to see things with a broader perspective that still relate to our lives. And our obligation is to our audience.” She says Logo will continue to cover issues like the fight for marriage equality, HIV and bullying.

“But honestly,” she confesses, “some of the traditional stuff—The L Word, Queer as Folk—didn’t do so well. And [broader shows like] Buffy, Nip/Tuck and Bad Sex did very well. People vote with what they watch.”

So they are still trying to give a channel for the GLBT but are trying to give them shows that they would watch. As in shows that they would like to watch not just shows that they would only watch out of obligation, "since it's the only 'GLBT'-show."

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“The biggest challenge is to strive for fresh programming without giving in to the temptation to feature stereotypes, [like the] bitchy fashionista,” he says. “A show with regular guys that just happen to be gay would be interesting and reflect the LGBT population.”

But the fact is people don’t turn on the TV to watch regular guys, no matter what network they’re tuning into:

Hey that's an idea! Rather than make a gimmick out of the gay characters it could just be that the characters are normal people who are GLBT. Note that part about people not wathing regular guys? Well a show about a regular family/couple/etc. would be boring. But how about you just make a good show where some of the characters just happen to be GLTB? No gimmick, just a good show. Firefly would still be a good show if Captain Mal was gay or bi or lesbian or trans/pan/a-/whatever there are. (Well I guess for some of those they might have had to cast different people. (And now I have an image of Nathan Fillion wearing that summer dress and pretty bonnet. With the brown coat on top.) Because Firefly was a good show and the only thing where Mal's sexual-orientation had any importance was his relationship with Inara.


I hope this came out right (and didn't offend anyone), but as far as I see this change is not that big a deal.
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Re: LOGO shifting away from homosexuality
« Reply #8 on: March 01, 2012, 03:23:21 am »
On the other hand, a lot of things on LOGO were very... uhm... they were playing into stereotypes.

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Re: LOGO shifting away from homosexuality
« Reply #9 on: March 01, 2012, 05:19:30 am »
I prefer shows that, if they have a gay character, they're just... gay, the same as the straight characters are straight.  I was wondering if I was the only one who thought LOGO was buying into the stereotype with several of its shows.

Come to think of it, the fact that LGBT type stuff is pigeonholed at all seems to only enforce the idea of "different" and "Other" instead of being just like everyone else.  Regular human beings.

I hope what I said was understandable, as I have insomnia and it's 5:something O' Clock in the AM.  Brain work ungood now.
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Re: LOGO shifting away from homosexuality
« Reply #10 on: March 01, 2012, 07:07:53 am »
What if a lesbian watches Firefly (Because it is a good show) do they suddenly become straight? Or are they still "Queer-for-Glau?"
Hey, there is like that one episode, where Inara took a female client. That’s gotta count for something, right? ;)
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Re: LOGO shifting away from homosexuality
« Reply #11 on: March 01, 2012, 09:46:10 am »
What if a lesbian watches Firefly (Because it is a good show) do they suddenly become straight? Or are they still "Queer-for-Glau?"
Hey, there is like that one episode, where Inara took a female client. That’s gotta count for something, right? ;)

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Re: LOGO shifting away from homosexuality
« Reply #12 on: March 01, 2012, 10:53:12 am »
Ayup.
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Re: LOGO shifting away from homosexuality
« Reply #13 on: March 01, 2012, 11:51:43 am »
Madness. Everyone knows that gay people sit around all day thinking, "I'm gay, I like gay things, this show is gay so I will watch it, gay things, more gay things, fucking guys is fun, if I have a son I will name him 'Gay', wait is 'Gay' a guy's name or a girl's name? Oh well who cares it's gay so I like it."

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Re: LOGO shifting away from homosexuality
« Reply #14 on: March 01, 2012, 12:14:43 pm »
If I wanted to watch gay themed stuff, I usually stream it online or buy a DVD. But I was never a cable watcher so I can't say much about LOGO. It just all cable has this tendency to shift towards not what they were (the History Channel, TLC, Discovery. . .)
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