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Offline the_ignored

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Another idiot to laugh at. A presuppositionalist
« on: March 17, 2012, 07:49:52 pm »
You can see some gems of his here and here.


As one commentator said in that first link: 
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Citation, please, for any atheist who's said this. Or anything realistically close.


From the second link, he kissed Greg Bahnsen's ass and quotes him at length:

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"Scripture itself should be enough to dissuade a person from depending upon evidential arguments for Christ's resurrection. God's word makes clear that man's rebellion against the truth is morally, not intellectually, rooted. The sinner needs a changed heart and Spiritually opened eyes, not more facts and reasons.



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Re: Another idiot to laugh at. A presuppositionalist
« Reply #1 on: March 18, 2012, 11:24:26 am »
>presuppositionalist

Heh, try saying that five times fast. XD
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Re: Another idiot to laugh at. A presuppositionalist
« Reply #2 on: March 18, 2012, 07:35:13 pm »
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"Scripture itself should be enough to dissuade a person from depending upon evidential arguments for Christ's resurrection. God's word makes clear that man's rebellion against the truth is morally, not intellectually, rooted. The sinner needs a changed heart and Spiritually opened eyes, not more facts and reasons.
Yay for circular logic.
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Re: Another idiot to laugh at. A presuppositionalist
« Reply #3 on: March 18, 2012, 09:28:32 pm »
We don' need no steenking evidence!
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Re: Another idiot to laugh at. A presuppositionalist
« Reply #4 on: March 19, 2012, 02:01:58 am »
Yeah, who needs reason and fact?
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Re: Another idiot to laugh at. A presuppositionalist
« Reply #5 on: March 19, 2012, 04:20:46 pm »
Wow, the stupid it burns.  He thinks using logic and reason is the opponent trying to set the rules in his favor.  Then he sets his own rules for the debate.  When called out on it, I bet he'd accuse his opponent of trying to set the rules, falling back on the "you can't prove anything" card. 

In other words: "LA LA LA LA LA I'M RIGHT AND YOU'RE WRONG"
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Re: Another idiot to laugh at. A presuppositionalist
« Reply #6 on: March 20, 2012, 03:21:12 pm »
Ha. I refer to this kind of argument as the 'Freddy Krueger defence'.

Freddy is a demon that haunts people's dreams, as such he has no power in the real world. Thus, he must get people to go to sleep so that he can kill them in his dream world rather than face them while they are awake.

Fundie logic doesn't work against rationality, so in order to get atheists to debate them they must force atheists to accept their dubious definitions of words. Once they have entered the Fundie dream world where faith is rationality, up is down and black is white the Fundies are free to shift the goalposts and perform all sorts of mental gymnastics in the knowledge that the atheist is in their semantic grip.

The solution is the same in both cases: Coffee, lots and lots of coffee.
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Re: Another idiot to laugh at. A presuppositionalist
« Reply #7 on: March 21, 2012, 04:15:54 pm »
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"Scripture itself should be enough to dissuade a person from depending upon evidential arguments for Christ's resurrection. God's word makes clear that man's rebellion against the truth is morally, not intellectually, rooted. The sinner needs a changed heart and Spiritually opened eyes, not more facts and reasons.

"I don't have any evidence, but if I use enough big words, will you believe me?"
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Re: Another idiot to laugh at. A presuppositionalist
« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2012, 04:52:05 pm »
Whoops.  Post gone.  Oh well.  I'll try again...


The guy I pointed out in the original post has noticed the attention.

Doesn't he sound grateful?

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Re: Another idiot to laugh at. A presuppositionalist
« Reply #9 on: March 23, 2012, 04:57:49 pm »
So you're a coward for not leaving a comment on his blog, but he's not a coward for refusing to come here are address your posts?  ???
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Re: Another idiot to laugh at. A presuppositionalist
« Reply #10 on: March 23, 2012, 07:33:42 pm »
This guy really likes to dodge questions. He can't give a reason for why we're supposedly required to worship his god, and he can't explain why we should believe his Bible instead of Homer or the Egyptian writings. Ooh, but I really look forward to reading more garbage from him, which that 2nd one has apparently inspired.  :P
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Re: Another idiot to laugh at. A presuppositionalist
« Reply #11 on: March 23, 2012, 07:44:52 pm »
I posted as well.

Ironbite-I really do hope it's Thor.
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Re: Another idiot to laugh at. A presuppositionalist
« Reply #12 on: March 23, 2012, 08:51:47 pm »
Quote from: ironbite on March 23, 2012, 07:44:52 pm
I posted as well.

Ironbite-I really do hope it's Thor.

As did I: Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it’s victorious.

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Re: Another idiot to laugh at. A presuppositionalist
« Reply #13 on: March 23, 2012, 10:26:39 pm »
+1 to both of you.

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Congrats you've earned yourself a post.

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Oh, goody. I'm sure there will be something in there that's worthy of the main page.
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Re: Another idiot to laugh at. A presuppositionalist
« Reply #14 on: March 24, 2012, 12:18:32 am »
Herpie derp.

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At March 23, 2012 11:30 PM , Hezekiah Ahaz said...

    Anon,

    Thanks for the material I needed for the post.
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At March 24, 2012 12:04 AM , Anonymous said...

    You're welcome, HA. I look forward to seeing it quoted on fstdt's main page.
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At March 24, 2012 12:10 AM , Hezekiah Ahaz said...

    No, No, No

    it will be right here....
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At March 24, 2012 12:12 AM , Anonymous said...

    Do you understand what it means to be quoted?
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