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Re: Judge rules in favor of lung transplant
« Reply #15 on: June 14, 2013, 08:22:24 pm »
Sometimes under the current system organs go to waste!

Why can't they instead of either putting the child on the list or not at all why can't there be a secondary list so if there are no adults who could use the lung within the applicable area/location then the child gets the lung?
Why are organ donation lists all or nothing? It would make all the sense in the world to have secondary lists maybe even tertiary lists. More lives could be saved.

That's roughly how the current/"new" allotment system works. But we can kiss it goodbye with this court order and all the "me too!' shit to follow.
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Re: Judge rules in favor of lung transplant
« Reply #16 on: July 02, 2013, 01:30:13 pm »
You know, I do legitimately see nothing wrong with harvesting dead prisoners for organs, and I don't think opting out of donation should even be possible. "No, no, I'm not using them, but you're gonna die anyways because I won't donate!"
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Re: Judge rules in favor of lung transplant
« Reply #17 on: July 02, 2013, 05:46:41 pm »
I love how the girl got a second set of lungs because her body rejected the first ones. Good job, assholes, now someone is dead because of you. This is what happens when you let judges make medical decisions.
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Re: Judge rules in favor of lung transplant
« Reply #18 on: July 02, 2013, 05:49:14 pm »
Wait, wut? They gave her a second set? Exactly how are they justifying this blatant favoritism?

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Re: Judge rules in favor of lung transplant
« Reply #19 on: July 02, 2013, 05:59:19 pm »
Wait, wut? They gave her a second set? Exactly how are they justifying this blatant favoritism?
She's a child. Any judge who rules against her will literally face a lynch mob. I don't like it, but I admit, I'd do the same.
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Re: Judge rules in favor of lung transplant
« Reply #20 on: July 02, 2013, 06:03:04 pm »
Wait, wut? They gave her a second set? Exactly how are they justifying this blatant favoritism?
She's a child. Any judge who rules against her will literally face a lynch mob. I don't like it, but I admit, I'd do the same.

The problem is that children are less viable candidates for organ transplants. This girl cost a life, as Sleepy pointed out, who could have used that first set. This outcome was predicted.

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Re: Judge rules in favor of lung transplant
« Reply #21 on: July 02, 2013, 06:26:50 pm »
Wait, wut? They gave her a second set? Exactly how are they justifying this blatant favoritism?
She's a child. Any judge who rules against her will literally face a lynch mob. I don't like it, but I admit, I'd do the same.

The problem is that children are less viable candidates for organ transplants. This girl cost a life, as Sleepy pointed out, who could have used that first set. This outcome was predicted.
I know. I never said it was right. If the courts were robot-controlled like I wish they were, this wouldn't happen. But, humans have emotions, and in the end, they will factor in. I think it was wrong. I still would do the same.
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Re: Judge rules in favor of lung transplant
« Reply #22 on: July 02, 2013, 06:30:10 pm »
Wait, wut? They gave her a second set? Exactly how are they justifying this blatant favoritism?
She's a child. Any judge who rules against her will literally face a lynch mob. I don't like it, but I admit, I'd do the same.

The problem is that children are less viable candidates for organ transplants. This girl cost a life, as Sleepy pointed out, who could have used that first set. This outcome was predicted.
I know. I never said it was right. If the courts were robot-controlled like I wish they were, this wouldn't happen. But, humans have emotions, and in the end, they will factor in. I think it was wrong. I still would do the same.

Which is why the judge was an idiot. The old system removed the human element. Toss it back in and we may well hear that this child is on set three.

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Re: Judge rules in favor of lung transplant
« Reply #23 on: July 02, 2013, 06:42:13 pm »
Wait, wut? They gave her a second set? Exactly how are they justifying this blatant favoritism?
She's a child. Any judge who rules against her will literally face a lynch mob. I don't like it, but I admit, I'd do the same.

The problem is that children are less viable candidates for organ transplants. This girl cost a life, as Sleepy pointed out, who could have used that first set. This outcome was predicted.
I know. I never said it was right. If the courts were robot-controlled like I wish they were, this wouldn't happen. But, humans have emotions, and in the end, they will factor in. I think it was wrong. I still would do the same.

Which is why the judge was an idiot. The old system removed the human element. Toss it back in and we may well hear that this child is on set three.
I agree, and wish the old system would stay, but if I were in the judge's position, I would do the same thing he did.
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Re: Judge rules in favor of lung transplant
« Reply #24 on: July 02, 2013, 08:00:20 pm »
Why would you do the same thing?
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Re: Judge rules in favor of lung transplant
« Reply #25 on: July 02, 2013, 08:07:51 pm »
Why would you do the same thing?
Because I'd be unable to go "Sorry, but your kid has to die because of our system".
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Re: Judge rules in favor of lung transplant
« Reply #26 on: July 02, 2013, 08:13:06 pm »
You can't afford to operate on emotions when you're in that position. Those lungs had a greater chance of saving an adult, and therefore you need to make a ruling based on that probability.
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Re: Judge rules in favor of lung transplant
« Reply #27 on: July 02, 2013, 08:31:08 pm »
You can't afford to operate on emotions when you're in that position. Those lungs had a greater chance of saving an adult, and therefore you need to make a ruling based on that probability.
I never claimed to be a good judge. Just, honest about how I'd act.
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Re: Judge rules in favor of lung transplant
« Reply #28 on: July 02, 2013, 11:29:53 pm »
You can't afford to operate on emotions when you're in that position. Those lungs had a greater chance of saving an adult, and therefore you need to make a ruling based on that probability.

The judge does, yes, but the judge also needs to take into account the fact that, as noted above, ruling against the kid would immediately get him vilified beyond all redemption (as "that judge who killed that kid"). People usually don't have the patience for logical arguments when something as visceral as "a kid might die" is in play.
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Re: Judge rules in favor of lung transplant
« Reply #29 on: July 03, 2013, 03:18:09 am »
Basically, this is a lose/lose situation for the judge, a lose/lose situation for the system, and a win/lose situation for the girl.
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