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Re: Judge rules in favor of lung transplant
« Reply #45 on: July 09, 2013, 09:13:00 pm »
I also hate to say it, but she will likely die soon. And as tragic as that is, it will underscore why the frickin' organ allocation system should never have been messed with by the courts.  Two adults, with the odds of success statistics in their favor, may die now that 2 sets of lungs have gone to the little girl.

This little girl gets a few more weeks of shitty quality life, where she is in chronic post operative pain (she has not had time to recuperate between emergency transplants), and she will pass away by congestive asphyxiation, and/or pulmonary embolism, which is terrifying and painful. Bravo. Way to hurt the one you love. Then, let's all fervently hope that she does not come down with ARDS, which is a total breakdown of multiple organ systems that begins with acute lung injury, which is what aspirating stomach acid does. ARDS is the post op complication that killed my mom. It took 6 weeks for her to reach the point when they would let me enforce the DNR and take her off all support.

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Re: Judge rules in favor of lung transplant
« Reply #46 on: July 09, 2013, 09:48:45 pm »
A small part of me thinks her dying would be the best outcome, because at least it will prevent more scenarios like this one. And as horrible as it is to say it, that's the optimistic part of me. The cynical side says nobody will learn anything from this and it will be just a painful and meaningless death.

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Re: Judge rules in favor of lung transplant
« Reply #47 on: July 09, 2013, 11:48:10 pm »
I feel so much better knowing I wasn't the only one with these reactions. I don't want a child dead; but she is in pain. These complications were predicted. She was shown incredible favoritism; new lungs were found for her in three days. The argument for that being that the lungs had pneumonia and it was a more acceptable risk to give them to her. Congrats, it came back.

The kindest outcome would be a quick death and for a lesson to be learned by the alleged adults.

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Re: Judge rules in favor of lung transplant
« Reply #48 on: July 10, 2013, 06:48:28 am »
A small part of me thinks her dying would be the best outcome, because at least it will prevent more scenarios like this one. And as horrible as it is to say it, that's the optimistic part of me. The cynical side says nobody will learn anything from this and it will be just a painful and meaningless death.

Fuck.
With any luck the law will look back at this case as a precedent, see the medical results and go off those rather than the legal decision. But outside of that... yeah, no one's gonna learn shit, people will still try.

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Re: Judge rules in favor of lung transplant
« Reply #49 on: July 10, 2013, 07:04:17 am »
She shouldn't have even gotten the second pair of lungs. You got lungs the first time around, and they failed. End of story. You don't get unlimited access to them because she's a little girl.

I hope the judge feels really friggin' good about costing people their lives.
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Re: Judge rules in favor of lung transplant
« Reply #50 on: July 10, 2013, 12:35:17 pm »
This is all vaguely reminiscent of the Terri Schiavo case, what with people ignoring medical ethics & prognosis in favour of what makes them feel good in the short term.
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Re: Judge rules in favor of lung transplant
« Reply #51 on: July 10, 2013, 02:23:17 pm »
According to the CNN article, pneumonia is pretty common with lung transplants, and isn't likely to kill her. And, it's only in one lung. So, she might be fine.
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Re: Judge rules in favor of lung transplant
« Reply #52 on: July 10, 2013, 02:26:26 pm »
She's also a child and possibly immunosuppressed depending on what they do for lung transplants. So...

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Re: Judge rules in favor of lung transplant
« Reply #53 on: July 10, 2013, 02:28:56 pm »
She's also a child and possibly immunosuppressed depending on what they do for lung transplants. So...
No, they mean, with the immunosuppressors (and she is). They still say it's likely she'll live.
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Re: Judge rules in favor of lung transplant
« Reply #54 on: July 10, 2013, 06:07:36 pm »
I also kinda want to point out how low her life expectancy is at this point. That needs to be taken into account if they're going to make special exceptions.
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Re: Judge rules in favor of lung transplant
« Reply #55 on: July 10, 2013, 07:34:07 pm »
I also kinda want to point out how low her life expectancy is at this point. That needs to be taken into account if they're going to make special exceptions.

Yes, especially since her onset and progression of cystic fibrosis was unusually severe early in life. She may at best live another few years, if everything goes perfectly well with the second set of lungs.

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Re: Judge rules in favor of lung transplant
« Reply #56 on: July 15, 2013, 05:59:58 pm »
The judge does, yes, but the judge also needs to take into account the fact that, as noted above, ruling against the kid would immediately get him vilified beyond all redemption (as "that judge who killed that kid"). People usually don't have the patience for logical arguments when something as visceral as "a kid might die" is in play.

So? Judges are paid to make rulings based on the law, not on emotion.

When I was interning, one of the local judges made a ruling in a child custody hearing that pissed the community off. So much so that there were protests at the courthouse, and she had a police officer guarding her. But her ruling was the correct one based on the law, which is why she ruled as she did.
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Re: Judge rules in favor of lung transplant
« Reply #57 on: July 16, 2013, 12:26:17 pm »
The judge does, yes, but the judge also needs to take into account the fact that, as noted above, ruling against the kid would immediately get him vilified beyond all redemption (as "that judge who killed that kid"). People usually don't have the patience for logical arguments when something as visceral as "a kid might die" is in play.

So? Judges are paid to make rulings based on the law, not on emotion.

When I was interning, one of the local judges made a ruling in a child custody hearing that pissed the community off. So much so that there were protests at the courthouse, and she had a police officer guarding her. But her ruling was the correct one based on the law, which is why she ruled as she did.
I'm curious as to what the ruling and the controversy were. A lot of custody hearing's main guidelines seem to be "Are you the mother? You get custody".
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