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Re: GamerGate
« Reply #180 on: October 08, 2014, 02:54:35 am »
Personally, I'm simply amazed that it's been almost two months since Quinn's little dalliances and yet this moronic drama is still going strong. That has to be some kind of record.

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Re: GamerGate
« Reply #181 on: October 08, 2014, 03:00:14 am »
Personally, I'm simply amazed that it's been almost two months since Quinn's little dalliances and yet this moronic drama is still going strong. That has to be some kind of record.
Well the thing is that it really did grow out to be about more than just Quinn.
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« Reply #182 on: October 08, 2014, 03:03:55 am »
Oh lordy,  now we are finally reaching to the "internalized misogyny" stage of the talk.

And what kind of logic are you guys using by the way? If we don't bring it up you guys gonna kafkatrapping us (see! You don't want to talk about it therefore you are guilty of it!), but if we defend yourself you are gonna condemn us anyway (see! You keep talking about it therefore you are guilty of it!). It is damn if you do, damn if you don't.

Part of the problem is that you insist on going on about what GamerGate is or isn't about instead of putting your money where your mouth is and actually talk about the issues. And please, stop inviting me to go talk about them over at The Escapist. I've skimmed parts of that thread and it's largely the same conversation that's going on here. They're talking about GamerGate. They're not talking about corruption, ethics, women, journalism, games or whatever the fuck you claim GamerGate is about this week, they're talking about GamerGate. And that's my biggest point of contention.

When you point out big names like TotalBiscuit supporting your "movement," all you're doing is saying that because a famous person agrees with you, we should too. When you feel the need to point out how diverse GamerGate is, you're just deflecting criticism because if these accusations were as baseless as you claim, you wouldn't need to point out GamerGate's diversity. It's a red herring. It doesn't matter who is involved in GamerGate because the people behind it aren't the issues.

That Twitter screencap above? More proof of your "us vs. them" mentality. You keep pointing these things out as if we weren't aware of them and go "look how wrong they are! We're the diverse ones" instead of ignoring the idiots and doing something. You're so focused on telling everyone about GamerGate that you ignore the issues that you're supposedly fighting for. GamerGate isn't about those issues, it's about itself.

Furthermore, while I'm not going to call you or even most GamerGaters misogynists, racists or whatever type of bigotry you're denying this week because it's probably not true and it doesn't matter anyway, it doesn't change the fact that it was built on a campaign to attack a woman for her personal life. That's what started it and instead of actually dealing with that, you insist that it isn't about that anymore in a vain attempt to deflect criticism. It doesn't matter what you want it to be about, the root of it is still misogyny and until GamerGate deals with that, and I highly doubt it will, trying to tell us what it is or isn't won't do shit.
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Re: GamerGate
« Reply #183 on: October 08, 2014, 03:13:19 am »
Personally, I'm simply amazed that it's been almost two months since Quinn's little dalliances and yet this moronic drama is still going strong. That has to be some kind of record.
Well the thing is that it really did grow out to be about more than just Quinn.
Maybe, though Quinn is still a major part of it. If only because both sides are now arguing over whether or not it's still about Quinn (as this thread has so helpfully demonstrated). When it comes down to it, large amounts of poo are still being flung over Quinn's promiscuity.

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« Reply #184 on: October 08, 2014, 03:28:22 am »
Oh lordy,  now we are finally reaching to the "internalized misogyny" stage of the talk.

And what kind of logic are you guys using by the way? If we don't bring it up you guys gonna kafkatrapping us (see! You don't want to talk about it therefore you are guilty of it!), but if we defend yourself you are gonna condemn us anyway (see! You keep talking about it therefore you are guilty of it!). It is damn if you do, damn if you don't.

Part of the problem is that you insist on going on about what GamerGate is or isn't about instead of putting your money where your mouth and actually talk about the issues. And please, stop inviting me to go talk about them over at The Escapist. I've skimmed parts of that thread and it's largely the same conversation that's going on here. They're talking about GamerGate. They're not talking about corruption, ethics, women, journalism, games or whatever the fuck you claim GamerGate is about this week, they're talking about GamerGate. And that's my biggest point of contention.

When you point out big names like TotalBiscuit supporting your "movement," all you're doing is saying that because a famous person agrees with you, we should too. When you feel the need to point out how diverse GamerGate is, you're just deflecting criticism because if these accusations were as baseless as you claim, you wouldn't need to point out GamerGate's diversity. It's a red herring. It doesn't matter who is involved in GamerGate because the people behind it aren't the issues.

That Twitter screencap above? More proof of your "us vs. them" mentality. You keep pointing these things out as if we weren't aware of them and go "look how wrong they are! We're the diverse ones" instead of ignoring the idiots and doing something. You're so focused on telling everyone about GamerGate that you ignore the issues that you're supposedly fighting for. GamerGate isn't about those issues, it's about itself.

Furthermore, while I'm not going to call you or even most GamerGaters misogynists, racists or whatever type of bigotry you're denying this week because it's probably not true and it doesn't matter anyway, it doesn't change the fact that it was built on a campaign to attack a woman for her personal life. That's what started it and instead of actually dealing with that, you insist that it isn't about that anymore in a vain attempt to deflect criticism. It doesn't matter what you want it to be about, the root of it is still misogyny and until GamerGate deals with that, and I highly doubt it will, trying to tell us what it is or isn't won't do shit.

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Re: GamerGate
« Reply #185 on: October 08, 2014, 04:24:59 am »
So what does Anita Sarkeesian have to do with Gamergate?

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« Reply #186 on: October 08, 2014, 06:14:23 am »
...you are the one doing the white washing by ignore all the females, gays, trans, minorities that is participating in this campaign. As if like we are all a bunch of "misogynerds". I am an Asian, born under the communist country of Vietnam and currently resided at Australia for educational purposes. And trust me, I know what is like to be oppressed.

Just a thought: is it me or a white knighting a woman actually reinforce the patriarchy? Think about it. If that you think that woman needed to be protect, it implied that you perceive the woman as being weak and cannot fend for themselves. Isn't that the patriarchy model for years already?

And that's your problem, right there. You actually think that people who don't buy into your story are the stereotyped guilt-haunted "SJW" stereotypes of your imagination. You can't imagine feeling sympathy or empathy for anyone else unless it's just cover for being patronising!

Also, how are Gjoni's army of defenders not white-knighting him? Isn't white knighting leaping to someone's defence when you either  a-haven't thought things through or b are just using the whole leaping to defence bit as an excuse to troll? Just because the wailing inhabitant of the tower was a prince certainly didn't prevent an army of defenders shouting "huzzah" and rushing to his defence based on the flimsiest of pretexts. If that isn't white knighting I don't know what is!

It’s also why GamerGater’s have no clue how to talk to their critics. They imagine their critics to be walking stereotypes of sort of latte-sipping straw liberals that Fox News and its ilk like to throw up and that they’ll just go giddy at the sight of a crowd of diverse people and ignore the fact that they stand for something flat-out repulsive. They think their liberal-tinted glasses will throw up a blind spot over the rape threats because a rainbow coloured crowd is notyoursheilding the pricks making the threats!

Being oppressed is a shitty thing, and if you’ve been oppressed you have my sympathies but having the status of an oppressed person is not element zero or a ring of wishes, it cannot warp reality, it does not make what is verifiably wrong right. I once tossed a non cisgendered black Anarchists comment to be mauled by the old FSTD comments section, because despite being verifiably more oppressed and less privileged than me, that person was a complete fucking tool and a raving loony to boot!  If I didn’t give that wanker a free pass I don’t see any good reason why I’d give it to GamerGate’s potted diversity wing!

And when you scratch beneath the surface it’s abundantly clear that the last thing on GamerGate’s mind is providing a safe space for diversity, it’s all trying to silence their critics and opposing “SJWs”. All of this fits in nicely with their mascot Vivian James, you know, the one that looks like a bored, jaded high schooler that half of 8Chan is writing porn about, well according to Gjoni she just wants to be able to call things she hates “gay” and not be hassled about it!

That’s GamerGate in a nutshell, we want the “right” to be obnoxious douchebags but God help you if you call us that, you…you SJW, something…

You know what this crap reminds me of? Love Shy, the guys that tried to tell everyone that they had the “right” to get laid, concern for the rights of the women they wanted to orifice-invade-not so much! It’s this same familiar entitled sense that they have the right to shite over people but they’ll cry foul if someone so much as criticises them for it.

Even if every single word Gjonji, the Internet Aristocrat and the GamerGateHorde spat out about Quinn was true it wouldn’t make her one tenth as obnoxious as GamerGate themselves. That’s right, even if the sordid tales of infidelity and sex for reviews were true it wouldn’t hold a candle to the blatant astroturfing, intimidation and sleazy gossip mongering that is GamerGate! To hell with them, their phoney conspiracy and their phoney cause, these guys are looking for corruption in the gaming scene? I’d suggest a mirror. Fuck ‘em!

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Re: GamerGate
« Reply #187 on: October 08, 2014, 10:49:09 am »
So what does Anita Sarkeesian have to do with Gamergate?

Take Gamers' (TM) usual reaction to new Sarkeesian videos, add in the fact they were already riled up, and the result is that she's forced to leave her home and contact authorities (not sure how true the last part is).

The side that's anti-gamer often brings her up to accuse them of sexism, and apply it to their  treatment of Quinn.
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Re: GamerGate
« Reply #188 on: October 08, 2014, 12:06:47 pm »
So what does Anita Sarkeesian have to do with Gamergate?

Nothing.  She's just being used as a shield.

By the way, here's some more anti-GamerGate shittery:


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Re: GamerGate
« Reply #189 on: October 08, 2014, 11:53:18 pm »
Running With Scissors announces that they are fully behind #GamerGate.
Running With Scissors is now being DDOSed.

I really hate the fact that this doesn’t surprise me in the least.

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« Reply #190 on: October 09, 2014, 12:00:57 am »
They guys that made Postal 2? Huh, I had no idea they were still around.

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Re: GamerGate
« Reply #191 on: October 09, 2014, 09:48:01 am »
Running With Scissors announces that they are fully behind #GamerGate.
Running With Scissors is now being DDOSed.

I really hate the fact that this doesn’t surprise me in the least.
How many script kiddies would that take to pull off?

Would I even need to remove my shoes and socks?

Between the GIFT theory and the number of people involved, it is almost a statistical certainty that this would happen... and that the same thing would happen if the situation is reversed.

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Re: GamerGate
« Reply #192 on: October 09, 2014, 03:09:46 pm »
Running With Scissors announces that they are fully behind #GamerGate.
Running With Scissors is now being DDOSed.

I really hate the fact that this doesn’t surprise me in the least.
How many script kiddies would that take to pull off?

Would I even need to remove my shoes and socks?

Between the GIFT theory and the number of people involved, it is almost a statistical certainty that this would happen... and that the same thing would happen if the situation is reversed.

I have to wonder if some of these DDoS or harassment against Gamergate people are not from supposed "SJWs" but from those within the file and ranks of Gamergate orchestrating these attacks in order to make the "SJWs" look bad.
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Re: GamerGate
« Reply #193 on: October 09, 2014, 06:22:07 pm »
Running With Scissors announces that they are fully behind #GamerGate.
Running With Scissors is now being DDOSed.

I really hate the fact that this doesn’t surprise me in the least.
How many script kiddies would that take to pull off?

Would I even need to remove my shoes and socks?

Between the GIFT theory and the number of people involved, it is almost a statistical certainty that this would happen... and that the same thing would happen if the situation is reversed.

I have to wonder if some of these DDoS or harassment against Gamergate people are not from supposed "SJWs" but from those within the file and ranks of Gamergate orchestrating these attacks in order to make the "SJWs" look bad.
I guess that some amount of skepticism is healthy, as long as it doesn't cross the line into denialism.
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Re: GamerGate
« Reply #194 on: October 09, 2014, 06:59:15 pm »
Running With Scissors announces that they are fully behind #GamerGate.
Running With Scissors is now being DDOSed.

I really hate the fact that this doesn’t surprise me in the least.
How many script kiddies would that take to pull off?

Would I even need to remove my shoes and socks?

Between the GIFT theory and the number of people involved, it is almost a statistical certainty that this would happen... and that the same thing would happen if the situation is reversed.

I have to wonder if some of these DDoS or harassment against Gamergate people are not from supposed "SJWs" but from those within the file and ranks of Gamergate orchestrating these attacks in order to make the "SJWs" look bad.

Yeah but that only gets the benefit of the doubt when it's other people doing it.  Zoe Quinn of course doxxed herself because of reasons.

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