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Rubbish => Preaching and Worship => Topic started by: Ralf Biermann on March 02, 2012, 03:17:27 pm
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Hello All,
I just found this forum while searching for my name (this is really scary). In the meantime I got a little bit distance to the religious thing, however I don't see any resonable explanation for a universe without God. What Do You think?
Best Regards
Ralf
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Well, as an atheist, I can't really understand where belief in God comes from. I don't disrespect people who believe in him, so long as they're good people (and we have several at least on these boards). That's my perspective in a nutshell.
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Right now, my main question is how you found this forum by googling your name.
I apologize if this comes off as cold, and if I turn out to be wrong, but everything about your post seems...off. Like it is meant to incite a reaction. From your randomly capitalizing words to...well...your mention of finding this place just because you googled your name.
This. Seems like someone's trolling to me.
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Right now, my main question is how you found this forum by googling your name.
I apologize if this comes off as cold, and if I turn out to be wrong, but everything about your post seems...off. Like it is meant to incite a reaction. From your randomly capitalizing words to...well...your mention of finding this place just because you googled your name.
This. Seems like someone's trolling to me.
Yeah, could be. The thing about finding us by googling his name is really odd. But it might be interesting to see what direction this takes.
Anyway, just to explore this a bit and see what happens...
I see no reason for a creator being. Although the exact mechanism is not known (nor may never be known,), science has come up with a fairly satisfactory and reasonable theory for the beginning of the current universe as well as the beginning of life on this planet based on the evidence obtained so far. I am an amateur astronomer and as it states under my avatar, the heavens convince me there is no God. If there were one, why the need to create so many objects that are visible only through high powered telescopes. The majority of people will never see them and, quite frankly, they don't give a damn whether they are there or not. And there are vastly more objects in the universe that can't be seen with the naked eye than there are ones that can be. It just seems like an inefficient and unnecessary design if in fact it was "created."
I know it can be argued that all those objects help to hold the universe together. But I reject that argument for a created universe. If a deity exists that is capable of creating the universe, it would certainly be capable of creating one that can stand alone with what we can see. Sort of like, you know, what the Bible says happened.
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Well, as an atheist, I can't really understand where belief in God comes from. I don't disrespect people who believe in him, so long as they're good people (and we have several at least on these boards). That's my perspective in a nutshell.
This. Pretty much.
Also wondering about googling ones name... But who would be fool enough to use their real name as a username?
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What do I think? I think you have too much time on your hands.
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Hello All,
I just found this forum while searching for my name (this is really scary). In the meantime I got a little bit distance to the religious thing, however I don't see any resonable explanation for a universe without God. What Do You think?
Best Regards
Ralf
As an agnostic, my take on it is that maybe there's a higher power behind existence and maybe there isn't. But even if we conclude that there must be something that created the universe as we know it, that doesn't tell us anything about that creator. In other words, we don't know which religion, if any, is the right one, or what the creator wants from us, if anything.
And for most practical purposes, that's no different than atheism.
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Also wondering about googling ones name... But who would be fool enough to use their real name as a username?
An aspiring illustrator trying to gain name recognition, for one. I'm just sayin'.
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Moving this thread to Preaching and Worshiping as it seems to be more appropriate there.
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Also wondering about googling ones name... But who would be fool enough to use their real name as a username?
An aspiring illustrator trying to gain name recognition, for one. I'm just sayin'.
Point taken. I apologise.
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Also wondering about googling ones name... But who would be fool enough to use their real name as a username?
An aspiring illustrator trying to gain name recognition, for one. I'm just sayin'.
Actually, if my first Google result is correct, he's a professor.
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Also wondering about googling ones name... But who would be fool enough to use their real name as a username?
An aspiring illustrator trying to gain name recognition, for one. I'm just sayin'.
Actually, if my first Google result is correct, he's a professor.
Well, he said he was googling his name, he may have stumbled on this quote (http://www.fstdt.com/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=36235&Page=1) while doing so since it shares his name.
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Right now, my main question is how you found this forum by googling your name.
I apologize if this comes off as cold, and if I turn out to be wrong, but everything about your post seems...off. Like it is meant to incite a reaction. From your randomly capitalizing words to...well...your mention of finding this place just because you googled your name.
This. Seems like someone's trolling to me.
Yeah, could be. The thing about finding us by googling his name is really odd. But it might be interesting to see what direction this takes.
Anyway, just to explore this a bit and see what happens...
I see no reason for a creator being. Although the exact mechanism is not known (nor may never be known,), science has come up with a fairly satisfactory and reasonable theory for the beginning of the current universe as well as the beginning of life on this planet based on the evidence obtained so far. I am an amateur astronomer and as it states under my avatar, the heavens convince me there is no God. If there were one, why the need to create so many objects that are visible only through high powered telescopes. The majority of people will never see them and, quite frankly, they don't give a damn whether they are there or not. And there are vastly more objects in the universe that can't be seen with the naked eye than there are ones that can be. It just seems like an inefficient and unnecessary design if in fact it was "created."
Basically, this. Occam's Razor. I'm an atheist but I don't hate religion and I don't think people are idiots just because of their religious beliefs. I care moreso about whether they're consistent with their own values and if they're good-hearted people than if I agree with them politically or religiously or not.
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Also wondering about googling ones name... But who would be fool enough to use their real name as a username?
An aspiring illustrator trying to gain name recognition, for one. I'm just sayin'.
Actually, if my first Google result is correct, he's a professor.
Well, he said he was googling his name, he may have stumbled on this quote (http://www.fstdt.com/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=36235&Page=1) while doing so since it shares his name.
HOLY SHIT!
I just found that quote in Random Quotes. That's one hell of a coincidence. O_O Anyway... yeah... you were quoted for saying stupid shit. No personal info about you beyond your name was kept. Nothing to worry about, except you're a flaming moron.
EDIT: If I'm going to call somebody a moron, I'm going to do it with proper grammar. >_>
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What do I think? I think you have too much time on your hands.
Seconded. :3
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Better question.
Ironbite-who the fuck are you?
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Better question.
Ironbite-who the fuck are you?
He's Ralf Biermann man, Ralk mother-fucking Biermann!
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Ok follow up question...
Ironbite-why the fuck should I care?
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Ah, the joys of ego surfing...
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Also wondering about googling ones name... But who would be fool enough to use their real name as a username?
An aspiring illustrator trying to gain name recognition, for one. I'm just sayin'.
Actually, if my first Google result is correct, he's a professor.
Well, he said he was googling his name, he may have stumbled on this quote (http://www.fstdt.com/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=36235&Page=1) while doing so since it shares his name.
HOLY SHIT!
I just found that quote in Random Quotes. That's one hell of a coincidence. O_O Anyway... yeah... you were quoted for saying stupid shit. No personal info about you beyond your name was kept. Nothing to worry about, except you're a flaming moron.
EDIT: If I'm going to call somebody a moron, I'm going to do it with proper grammar. >_>
We don't know it's the same person, though I would assume not.
@OP
Why is it scary that this site was in the results? It's better than some results I've got from googleing fairly innocent things(like 20 midget tentacle rape orgies).
Other than what the others have said I'll just add this:
“Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.”
― Marcus Aurelius
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I've Googled my name before, mostly to see if anything embarrassing comes up. Y'know, for future job interviews and all that.
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Stroke that ego, Ralf. Stroke it haaaaaard...
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Hello All,
I just found this forum while searching for my name (this is really scary). In the meantime I got a little bit distance to the religious thing, however I don't see any resonable explanation for a universe without God. What Do You think?
Best Regards
Ralf
Hullo.
I dont see this God guy having any bearing on the universe.
The universe was formed by observable and predictable proceses, acting in accordance with physical laws.
If you want a god to be involved, feel free to insert it where you like... but make sure it doesnt contradict reality.
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Is it just me or are you all being more aggressive than usual in answering his question? I haven't seen him say anything offensive other that a main page quote that we don't know if is his anyway. Just wondering what the deal is.
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That doesn't sound aggressive to me.
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I suppose I should respond to the question itself:
I've yet to see any concrete evidence which suggests to me that a god is necessary to explain the workings of the universe. There are certainly plenty of unknowns, particularly when we're talking about the origin of reality as we know it, but a lack of answers does not imply a god -- it simply means that we, as a species, are still ignorant about many matters. As such, I do not believe in a higher power, and will continue to function this way until I see evidence for the existence of such a being.
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Is it just me or are you all being more aggressive than usual in answering his question? I haven't seen him say anything offensive other that a main page quote that we don't know if is his anyway. Just wondering what the deal is.
I was completely respectful in my first post. In my second, I suppose I'm guilty of jumping to the conclusion that OP is the same guy responsible for the quote. If OP didn't really write it then I'm sorry, but the views stated are rather moronic and I'm not shying away from stating my opinion on that. (Also, the names are identical, which makes it a very short leap in logic.)
It'd be nice, speaking of which, to get a response of some kind from the OP. As it stands, I'm wondering if he's not just trolling.
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It'd be nice, speaking of which, to get a response of some kind from the OP. As it stands, I'm wondering if he's not just trolling.
Exactly. He pops in, asks a question, and then doesn't respond to any of the answers in any way. Doesn't sound like someone genuinely interested in serious dialogue.
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Is it just me or are you all being more aggressive than usual in answering his question? I haven't seen him say anything offensive other that a main page quote that we don't know if is his anyway. Just wondering what the deal is.
This
I see no reason for a creator being. Although the exact mechanism is not known (nor may never be known,), science has come up with a fairly satisfactory and reasonable theory for the beginning of the current universe as well as the beginning of life on this planet based on the evidence obtained so far. I am an amateur astronomer and as it states under my avatar, the heavens convince me there is no God. If there were one, why the need to create so many objects that are visible only through high powered telescopes. The majority of people will never see them and, quite frankly, they don't give a damn whether they are there or not. And there are vastly more objects in the universe that can't be seen with the naked eye than there are ones that can be. It just seems like an inefficient and unnecessary design if in fact it was "created."
Alternatively, if there is a creator, he/she/it/they doesn't care about humanity.
It'd be nice, speaking of which, to get a response of some kind from the OP. As it stands, I'm wondering if he's not just trolling.
Exactly. He pops in, asks a question, and then doesn't respond to any of the answers in any way. Doesn't sound like someone genuinely interested in serious dialogue.
Some forums work slower than others. On come technical forums I've been to, it can take weeks to get an answer. If he doesn't expect a quick answer, it doesn't make sense to check the next day again. It's only been one day.
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Ok follow up question...
Ironbite-why the fuck should I care?
Hell if I know.
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Hello All,
I just found this forum while searching for my name (this is really scary). In the meantime I got a little bit distance to the religious thing, however I don't see any resonable explanation for a universe without God. What Do You think?
Best Regards
Ralf
As an agnostic, my take on it is that maybe there's a higher power behind existence and maybe there isn't. But even if we conclude that there must be something that created the universe as we know it, that doesn't tell us anything about that creator. In other words, we don't know which religion, if any, is the right one, or what the creator wants from us, if anything.
And for most practical purposes, that's no different than atheism.
Hi John,
Well, I think I had a problem to express my thoughts in words. However You are describing it much better.
Best Regards
Ralf
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To answer your question, there's no reasonable explanation for a universe with God. It's why all religions seem to spend so much effort convincing people that faith (I.e. belief despite knowing full well there's no evidence for it) is a good thing.