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Community => Science and Technology => Topic started by: Stormwarden on May 06, 2013, 10:10:55 pm
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http://www.uproxx.com/gammasquad/2013/05/3d-printed-gun-the-liberator-cody-wilson-defense-distributed/
That's right, ladies and gents, for the first time, a 3D printed gun was successfully fired, and the specs have been distributed online.
Personally, I'm not keen on the idea of firearms being able to be printed out. There needs to be minimum standards on firearms manufacturing (if it were up to me, every last Jiminez or Bryco-Jennings would be melted down as scrap. Even now, I will never allow a Bryco-Jennings anywhere near my home. But that's another discussion) to prevent things like accidental discharges (look up the Powderbox pistol for an example), or something as nasty as the thing exploding in your hand.
I would rather that items in otherwise low supply be printed out for use by those who need them. This can have a huge impact in third-world countries that wouldn't otherwise be able to afford certain items that a 3D printer can provide.
Right. I know full well the kerfuffle that is coming in the form of a firearms debate, so I'm just gonna cozy up in the bunker and watch the carnage unfold.
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Right. I know full well the kerfuffle that is coming in the form of a firearms debate, so I'm just gonna cozy up in the bunker and watch the carnage unfold.
I gots the popcorn
(http://images.persephonemagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/colbert-3d-popcorn.gif)
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And I have the Dew, Empress. It, and several other beverages of choice, are in the large fridge. If I ever build a dream home, I want it to be like the Vault =D.
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Right. I know full well the kerfuffle that is coming in the form of a firearms debate, so I'm just gonna cozy up in the bunker and watch the carnage unfold.
Well, you see, children. Guns are bad, mkay.
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The idea of 3D printers making workable guns is pretty scary. Although the achievement of the 3D printers is impressive.
I am just worried about this from a crime point of view. If this process is cheaper than normal guns, it could lead to a massive increase in completely off the grid firearms into the black markets. Sure they wont be as good as properly manufactured guns, but for crime, they will probably be more than enough.
It is worrying.
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True, if you work in a service station you won't be thinking about the quality of the gun pointed in your face. Just about the fact that it could kill you!
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So how long before a 3D printer manages to print a second fully functional 3D printer?
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So how long before a 3D printer manages to print a second fully functional 3D printer?
Very soon. They're already working on it. There's one that can already print over half of its own parts.
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So how long before a 3D printer manages to print a second fully functional 3D printer?
Very soon. They're already working on it. There's one that can already print over half of its own parts.
Snazzy.
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My roomie's beaten everybody to it. He's crafted the parts for two others already. Made a nice chunk of cash for it, too.
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Vddy of Cody Wilson firing it cracks me up. Demonstrating proper firing form is great, but is he always so intense and dramatic? Like, his shit don't stink, it smells of victory?
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I find it somewhat interesting that they named it after a cheap stamped out gun that the US Government sent to the French Resistance during one of the world wars.
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Any figures on how long it actually holds up from shooting? I can't imagine it's all that long.
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I remember hearing somewhere that you only got one shot with it. Still, one shot is more dangerous than no shots.
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It is, but it's a one shot short barreled pistol made out of plastic and looks to be rather bulky to me. It's probably the least concerning gun I've ever seen, despite being entirely possible to make at home. Though an absolute nightmare for police or anyone attempting to track the use of them as they're utterly disposable. I'm probably going light on this because you could plaster a cartoon character on the side and it'd almost exactly match an old item from shadowrun.
Have to say it makes a pretty solid argument for my ammo sales requiring a gun license for the caliber.
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I'm not sure how comfortable I am at the prospect of even a plastic gun being 3D printed.
But it is still pretty nifty, I admit.
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Next time I get the urge to assassinate a politician with a disposable gun, I'll be sure to hit this guy up.
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Next time I get the urge to assassinate a politician with a disposable gun, I'll be sure to hit this guy up.
Be sure to aim for one that's mindlessly opposed all gun legislation yet does not understand the abilities of modern technology. He'll probably be the only one you could actually surprise.
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This is a really bad idea
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Update: The files for the 3-D gun has been taken down by the request of the State Department (http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2013/05/state-department-cody-wilson-defense-distributed)
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So how long before a 3D printer manages to print a second fully functional 3D printer?
Probably around the same time the gun that shoots guns that shoot guns that shoot guns that shoot guns that shoot guns that shoot guns that shoot guns that shoot guns that shoot guns that shoot guns that shoot guns that shoot guns that shoot guns that shoot guns that shoot guns that shoot guns that shoot guns that shoot guns that shoot guns that shoot guns that shoot guns that shoot guns that shoot guns that shoot guns that shoot guns that shoot guns that shoot guns that shoot guns that shoot guns that shoot guns that shoot guns that shoot guns that shoot guns that shoot guns that shoot guns that shoot guns that shoot guns that shoot guns is invented.
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Update: The files for the 3-D gun has been taken down by the request of the State Department (http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2013/05/state-department-cody-wilson-defense-distributed)
Further Update: They've already been downloaded more than 100,000 times (over 1 million, according to the designer) and are still available for download on MegaShare and ThePirateBay. (http://www.salon.com/2013/05/09/state_dept_orders_3d_gun_designs_be_taken_offline/)
This genie is already out of the bottle and Congress and the media's flipping out over it has helped to spread word of it far more effectively than it would if no one but a few 3D printing enthusiasts had known. They've basically recreated what happened when the Glock was first introduced (http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-05-06/lets-all-calm-down-about-3-d-plastic-guns): got scared out of their minds over this new design, tried to ban it and ended up making it one of the most popular firearms around.
And Forbes (http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulhsieh/2013/05/07/why-3d-printed-untraceable-guns-could-be-good-for-america/) actually wrote an article about why this could very well be a good thing.
The unease expressed over 3D-printed guns mirrors similar unease following the adoption of widespread cryptography for secure communications. Some opponents were concerned that ordinary Americans could use this technology to engage in criminal activities undetected by the government. In the 1990s, the Clinton administration pushed for the adoption of hardware backdoors to allow government to read otherwise secure e-mail as it saw fit. Even now, the FBI continues to seek wider powers to monitor citizens’ electronic communications on the grounds it’s necessary to stop terrorism.
Yes, the government has a legitimate role in stopping the misuse of cryptography for evil purposes, such as terrorist plots or the dissemination of digital contraband such as child pornography or pirated software. But that should not be a pretext for giving the government excessive power over innocuous private communications.
Similarly, government has a legitimate role in stopping gun crime. But this should not be a pretext for restricting 3D-printing technology.
Furthermore, University of Chicago professor (and co-author of the bestseller Freakonomics) Steve Levitt has noted that most proposed gun controls have minimal impact on gun crime. One of the few ideas that does work is enhanced prison sentences for crimes committed with a gun. According to Levitt, the gun laws that work (http://www.freakonomics.com/2013/02/14/how-to-think-about-guns-a-new-freakonomics-radio-podcast/) are ones “where you’re not tying it to the gun itself, you’re tying it to the use of guns that you don’t want.” This makes perfect sense. The government should not punish gun ownership by responsible adults, nor legitimate sporting or self-defense uses. Instead, the government should punish the misuse of a gun by criminals.
So, yeah, I'm not especially worried about people making single shot pistols that'll blow apart on the second shot with larger caliber ammo and have a max number of about 10 times you can semi-safely shoot it; and with a barrel that short and made of plastic that'll ensure you might be able to hit a barn if you're inside it when you fire.
Frankly, I think this is much ado about nothing.
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It's honestly not that hard to make a homemade gun. Just like this 3-d printed verstion, they tend to be single shot, or at least much less effective than a normal gun. Hence why law enforcement has never made much move to restricting them.
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It's honestly not that hard to make a homemade gun. Just like this 3-d printed verstion, they tend to be single shot, or at least much less effective than a normal gun. Hence why law enforcement has never made much move to restricting them.
Such as the Luty SMG. Which I just found out about last night cause some people I follow on tumblr talked about it in response to the 3-D printed one.
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The guy who designed the gun apparently identifies as "crypto-anarchist" which just screams "asshole"
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Luty? You should see the foreword he wrote in his instructions. Ahaha.
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When can we expect an SMG?
Or something to compete with the AK for "Outlaw's Choice".
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When can we expect an SMG?
Or something to compete with the AK for "Outlaw's Choice".
Once again: Luty
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So I saw the video of this Luty gun.
Thankfully people with machining skills tend to find legitimate work with a high enough pay to not even consider a life of crime.
I hope.
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http://areena.yle.fi/tv/1914496
One Finnish TV show had an episode about a 3-D printed pistol. They had the parts built in an university which had a 3d printer and then brought them to a gun smithing school where they did the finishing touches to the parts and assembled the pistol. Then they fired a 9x19mm shot with it which actually destroyed the pistol on the first shot.
...Not that suprising since the gun wasn't actually chambered for 9x19mm. I think it was meant for .380 or something like that, weaker load in any case.
So I saw the video of this Luty gun.
Thankfully people with machining skills tend to find legitimate work with a high enough pay to not even consider a life of crime.
I hope.
They might want the extra money in any case, they might just think that it is a fun project and in any case having the necessary skills is not the only deciding factor for finding employment, so they might actually use their skills for this if something (bad luck, alcoholism/other addiction, location, criminal record) prevents them from finding a job.
Not to mention that a person might just be part of some weird survivalist/insurrectionist group and build guns for them for the scenario where the society will collapse.
And some people who just want to watch the world burn.
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was the gun control part necessary Damen :(
This guy is insane btw
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Printers that can not only print guns, but print other printers? ...This has "bad made-for-TV sci-fi movie" written all over it.
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Self replicating machine is one of the goals in 3-D printing. Although it wouldn't just pop out the exact copy, instead it would make all the parts one by one and you'd still have to assemble the new printer.
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Self replicating machine is one of the goals in 3-D printing. Although it wouldn't just pop out the exact copy, instead it would make all the parts one by one and you'd still have to assemble the new printer.
Once we get an automated assembly line for the parts...well, I'll stay on our new machine masters' good sides.
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Printers that can not only print guns, but print other printers? ...This has "bad made-for-TV sci-fi movie" written all over it.
Yo dawg, I heard you like printers...
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When can we expect an SMG?
Or something to compete with the AK for "Outlaw's Choice".
It'll take a long time. The first 3D printed "guns" were simply lower receivers (the part that's legally considered a gun for an AR-15 build) mated to metal parts for the rest. And they were chambered in .22LR, one of the lowest powered commercially available rounds. Plastic is still limited in its tolerance for heat (especially from friction) and the sheer force of firing a load of smokeless powder. There's a video on Youtube of a 5.56mm printed receiver being used, and it repeatedly malfunctioned before finally separating both halves in his hands.
Printing an entire gun is only practical for a criminal who only needs a few shots in its lifetime, or never even intends to fire it and just wants to use it as a threat that's more useful in an emergency than a $5 springer airsoft pistol. The gun won't last long before it's no longer serviceable. And 3D printers still aren't exactly cheap, so you'd probably be better off simply buying a regular gun from one of the countless black market dealers. The days of the Mafia having massive 3D printing shops making assault rifles, or a poor thug printing up a submachine gun in Compton, are still pretty far ahead.