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Title: Gargoyles and Death Note
Post by: wrightway on August 29, 2013, 05:14:52 pm
Is it bad that the only part of the Evolution one that actually made me laugh angrily was the student saying Neanderthals and modern man are Homo erectus?

Completely off topic; but every time I see your avatar I want to look up Gargoyles episodes and just die of the happy.
Title: Re: Gargoyles and Death Note
Post by: Feral Dog on August 30, 2013, 12:18:28 am
Is it bad that the only part of the Evolution one that actually made me laugh angrily was the student saying Neanderthals and modern man are Homo erectus?

Completely off topic; but every time I see your avatar I want to look up Gargoyles episodes and just die of the happy.

David Xanatos: Created a time loop for the sole purpose of becoming a multimillionaire Illuminati member. For his honeymoon.
Title: Re: Gargoyles and Death Note
Post by: Lithp on August 30, 2013, 01:04:37 am
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Title: Re: Gargoyles and Death Note
Post by: wrightway on August 30, 2013, 01:20:57 am
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This does not negate his badassery and awesomeness. Nor the fact the show was smart, brilliant, and complicated in ways the viewers didn't appreciated until they were adults. Hell, you need to be an English major with a minor in world mythos to appreciate half the jokes. And, speaking of hell, I do believe Gargoyles was the first kids show to slip that particular word in during the after school blocks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YisYZqo2q40

10:39 or there abouts.
Title: Re: Gargoyles and Death Note
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on August 30, 2013, 02:04:35 am
I just had a crossover fanfic idea: Xanatos with a Death Note.
Title: Re: Gargoyles and Death Note
Post by: Witchyjoshy on August 30, 2013, 04:02:15 am
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Title: Re: Gargoyles and Death Note
Post by: Lithp on August 30, 2013, 04:28:55 am
This is hilarious when you consider my recent post in the TV Shows topic.

Still, I was mainly just making a crack about how the Illuminati are virtually meaningless in Gargoyles. I don't know what they even do.
Title: Re: Gargoyles and Death Note
Post by: Witchyjoshy on August 30, 2013, 05:54:47 am
This is hilarious when you consider my recent post in the TV Shows topic.

Still, I was mainly just making a crack about how the Illuminati are virtually meaningless in Gargoyles. I don't know what they even do.

They let people waste money and resources on building Death Traps that drive people insane before they die of starvation/thirst, then make stupid judgements like letting a paranoid detective into their group.
Title: Re: Gargoyles and Death Note
Post by: wrightway on August 30, 2013, 09:22:58 am
This is hilarious when you consider my recent post in the TV Shows topic.

Still, I was mainly just making a crack about how the Illuminati are virtually meaningless in Gargoyles. I don't know what they even do.

They let people waste money and resources on building Death Traps that drive people insane before they die of starvation/thirst, then make stupid judgements like letting a paranoid detective into their group.

It's a rich, good ole boys club that covers their members tracks for the most part. Xanatos got, what, six months for something that could have netted him life? Bluestone used his to protect Eliza and the gargoyles. It seems that as long as it didn't hit major news networks or have too many witnesses they could make events just not happen.
Title: Re: Gargoyles and Death Note
Post by: Lithp on August 30, 2013, 12:54:00 pm
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They let people waste money and resources on building Death Traps that drive people insane before they die of starvation/thirst, then make stupid judgements like letting a paranoid detective into their group.

This actually DOES sound like something that any self-respecting villain would want to be a part of.

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It's a rich, good ole boys club that covers their members tracks for the most part. Xanatos got, what, six months for something that could have netted him life? Bluestone used his to protect Eliza and the gargoyles. It seems that as long as it didn't hit major news networks or have too many witnesses they could make events just not happen.

That would really explain a lot, though Bluestone kind of played it up, if that was the case. "They control EVERYTHING!"

Also, are you talking about Awakening? Because they could only book him for the charges related to the stolen property & destruction of property. Elisa couldn't exactly go, "Oh, & he tried to murder these mythical beasts that don't actually even exist in mythology."

Plus, even if she did, silly or not, The Goliath Chronicles made a valid point--the modern American laws don't really apply to gargoyles.
Title: Re: Gargoyles and Death Note
Post by: wrightway on August 30, 2013, 12:57:15 pm
He put the life of a police officer in jeopardy. Nothing would need to be said about gargoyles because, viewed in the right light, that was attempted murder of an officer of the law.
Title: Re: Gargoyles and Death Note
Post by: Lithp on August 30, 2013, 01:01:28 pm
I'm not sure which part you're referring to. The mercenaries he hired? The castle falling apart?

The mercenaries actually might be a legitimate point.
Title: Re: Gargoyles and Death Note
Post by: wrightway on August 30, 2013, 01:20:11 pm
The mercenaries are part of why the castle fell apart. But I was thinking more the fact that his mercenaries stalked her through the park with the intent to kill.
Title: Re: Gargoyles and Death Note
Post by: Sigmaleph on August 30, 2013, 01:51:59 pm
I just had a crossover fanfic idea: Xanatos with a Death Note.

Isn't that just Death Note?
Title: Re: Gargoyles and Death Note
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on August 30, 2013, 01:57:46 pm
I just had a crossover fanfic idea: Xanatos with a Death Note.

Isn't that just Death Note?
Yes and no. Sure, Light is just as manipulative, but it would be interesting to see how it would go different. For one, Gargoyles.
Title: Re: Gargoyles and Death Note
Post by: Witchyjoshy on August 30, 2013, 02:51:14 pm
I just had a crossover fanfic idea: Xanatos with a Death Note.

Isn't that just Death Note?

I have the idea that Xanatos with a Death Note would result in him purposefully not using it except for very specific opportunities.

Or even just burning the damn thing so it can't be used against him.
Title: Re: Gargoyles and Death Note
Post by: ironbite on August 30, 2013, 03:00:14 pm
Xanatos would never ever use a Death Note.  Why?  Not as much fun.  This is the villain who plans for failure.  In fact he wants his plans to fail because while everyone's main plan is failing, THERE'S 1000 OTHER THINGS GOING ON!

Ironbite-he doesn't want to win because it's not the right time for him to win.
Title: Re: Gargoyles and Death Note
Post by: Lady Evil on August 30, 2013, 03:05:15 pm
Since the topic is Gargoyles, I thought I'd reply.

Wouldn't most gargoyles be immune to Death Note? The ones that don't take names, at least. Even Goliath has been known to say "My kind have no names, but the humans call me Goliath." So, it's iffy if Goliath is immune. Elisa's "spell" should've made him immune to all magic, but we've seen that it doesn't.

And I agree, Xanatos would burn a Death Note so no one could use it on him. Demona, on the other hand, would start copying the phone book!
Title: Re: Gargoyles and Death Note
Post by: ironbite on August 30, 2013, 03:06:50 pm
They take names though.  That gives the Death Note some leeway in killing them.

Ironbite-once you take a name, that's it.
Title: Re: Gargoyles and Death Note
Post by: R. U. Sirius on August 30, 2013, 03:08:45 pm
Since the topic is Gargoyles, I thought I'd reply.

Wouldn't most gargoyles be immune to Death Note? The ones that don't take names, at least. Even Goliath has been known to say "My kind have no names, but the humans call me Goliath." So, it's iffy if Goliath is immune. Elisa's "spell" should've made him immune to all magic, but we've seen that it doesn't.

And I agree, Xanatos would burn a Death Note so no one could use it on him. Demona, on the other hand, would start copying the phone book!

Wouldn't work. One of the rules of a Death Note is that you need to have an accurate image of the person in mind when you write their name, at least accurate enough to differentiate one John Smith from another. I seriously doubt Demona could put that many names to faces.
Title: Re: Gargoyles and Death Note
Post by: Osama bin Bambi on August 30, 2013, 03:10:33 pm
Since the topic is Gargoyles, I thought I'd reply.

Wouldn't most gargoyles be immune to Death Note? The ones that don't take names, at least. Even Goliath has been known to say "My kind have no names, but the humans call me Goliath." So, it's iffy if Goliath is immune. Elisa's "spell" should've made him immune to all magic, but we've seen that it doesn't.

And I agree, Xanatos would burn a Death Note so no one could use it on him. Demona, on the other hand, would start copying the phone book!

Wouldn't work. One of the rules of a Death Note is that you need to have an accurate image of the person in mind when you write their name, at least accurate enough to differentiate one John Smith from another. I seriously doubt Demona could put that many names to faces.

... I wonder if a person with prosopagnosia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosopagnosia) could use the Death Note, in that case.
Title: Re: Gargoyles and Death Note
Post by: Lady Evil on August 30, 2013, 03:18:20 pm
Since the topic is Gargoyles, I thought I'd reply.

Wouldn't most gargoyles be immune to Death Note? The ones that don't take names, at least. Even Goliath has been known to say "My kind have no names, but the humans call me Goliath." So, it's iffy if Goliath is immune. Elisa's "spell" should've made him immune to all magic, but we've seen that it doesn't.

And I agree, Xanatos would burn a Death Note so no one could use it on him. Demona, on the other hand, would start copying the phone book!

Wouldn't work. One of the rules of a Death Note is that you need to have an accurate image of the person in mind when you write their name, at least accurate enough to differentiate one John Smith from another. I seriously doubt Demona could put that many names to faces.

Well, too bad for her, but good for the rest of New York! Elisa's probably screwed, though. Demona would settle for killing her if she couldn't kill all the humans. Unless....you have to know the person's middle name if they have one? I don't think middle names were ever brought up on Death Note since they're not a big deal in Japan. I can't swear to it, but I think Elisa's middle name might be Julia. I looked at a screengrab of her ID and unless I'm misreading, it looks like her middle name is Julia. At the time Elisa would've been born, there was a sit-com by that name I could see her mother liking.
Title: Re: Gargoyles and Death Note
Post by: Sigmaleph on August 30, 2013, 05:49:52 pm
Since the topic is Gargoyles, I thought I'd reply.

Wouldn't most gargoyles be immune to Death Note? The ones that don't take names, at least. Even Goliath has been known to say "My kind have no names, but the humans call me Goliath." So, it's iffy if Goliath is immune. Elisa's "spell" should've made him immune to all magic, but we've seen that it doesn't.

And I agree, Xanatos would burn a Death Note so no one could use it on him. Demona, on the other hand, would start copying the phone book!

Wouldn't work. One of the rules of a Death Note is that you need to have an accurate image of the person in mind when you write their name, at least accurate enough to differentiate one John Smith from another. I seriously doubt Demona could put that many names to faces.

Well, too bad for her, but good for the rest of New York! Elisa's probably screwed, though. Demona would settle for killing her if she couldn't kill all the humans. Unless....you have to know the person's middle name if they have one? I don't think middle names were ever brought up on Death Note since they're not a big deal in Japan. I can't swear to it, but I think Elisa's middle name might be Julia. I looked at a screengrab of her ID and unless I'm misreading, it looks like her middle name is Julia. At the time Elisa would've been born, there was a sit-com by that name I could see her mother liking.

Light once kills someone writing down only their middle initial rather than full middle name (Lind L. Taylor).

Also: Xanatos would be an idiot to burn the Death Note so it can't be used against him. First, because it's immensely powerful and he of all people should be able to get a lot out of it. Second, because there are better ways of protecting yourself from a Death Note. I think one of the many weirder rules was that if someone's name is unintentionally misspelled 4 times on a Death Note, that person cannot be killed with that note. Xanatos should have zero trouble somehow getting someone to write down his name wrong, and he gets to keep the magic killing/controlling artefact while being sure it can't be used (directly) against him.
Title: Re: Gargoyles and Death Note
Post by: Lady Evil on August 30, 2013, 06:51:46 pm
Since the topic is Gargoyles, I thought I'd reply.

Wouldn't most gargoyles be immune to Death Note? The ones that don't take names, at least. Even Goliath has been known to say "My kind have no names, but the humans call me Goliath." So, it's iffy if Goliath is immune. Elisa's "spell" should've made him immune to all magic, but we've seen that it doesn't.

And I agree, Xanatos would burn a Death Note so no one could use it on him. Demona, on the other hand, would start copying the phone book!

Wouldn't work. One of the rules of a Death Note is that you need to have an accurate image of the person in mind when you write their name, at least accurate enough to differentiate one John Smith from another. I seriously doubt Demona could put that many names to faces.

Well, too bad for her, but good for the rest of New York! Elisa's probably screwed, though. Demona would settle for killing her if she couldn't kill all the humans. Unless....you have to know the person's middle name if they have one? I don't think middle names were ever brought up on Death Note since they're not a big deal in Japan. I can't swear to it, but I think Elisa's middle name might be Julia. I looked at a screengrab of her ID and unless I'm misreading, it looks like her middle name is Julia. At the time Elisa would've been born, there was a sit-com by that name I could see her mother liking.

Light once kills someone writing down only their middle initial rather than full middle name (Lind L. Taylor).

Also: Xanatos would be an idiot to burn the Death Note so it can't be used against him. First, because it's immensely powerful and he of all people should be able to get a lot out of it. Second, because there are better ways of protecting yourself from a Death Note. I think one of the many weirder rules was that if someone's name is unintentionally misspelled 4 times on a Death Note, that person cannot be killed with that note. Xanatos should have zero trouble somehow getting someone to write down his name wrong, and he gets to keep the magic killing/controlling artefact while being sure it can't be used (directly) against him.

LOL! I can see that! Oh, I decided to start spelling my last name with a Z. April Fool! There's 2 n's in "Xanatos". April Fool! My middle name is Ichabod because my parents thought the initials would be cute. April Fool! I decided to go with the Welsh form of my name, Dafydd. You're not terribly bright, are you?
Title: Re: Gargoyles and Death Note
Post by: Lithp on August 31, 2013, 04:58:49 am
In one of the movies, L wrote his name in the Death Note to protect himself.

Xanatos could do that. Unfortunately, he can't get an extended lifespan out of the deal.

I'd think he might want to try to get a Shinigami to look out for him. That's the best way to cover all of your bases. Until Light gets sick of its shit, I suppose.

Of course, even then, Xanatos chose Owen over Puck. He has a knack for doing the unexpected.

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The mercenaries are part of why the castle fell apart. But I was thinking more the fact that his mercenaries stalked her through the park with the intent to kill.

Castle fell apart twice, I was thinking of the part at the end. And yeah, thinking back through, I guessed you might have been referring to that. Could be that the Illuminati covered for him. Could also be that Elisa didn't press charges for that because she thought it might get out what they were actually there for, which was tracking Goliath.
Title: Re: Gargoyles and Death Note
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on August 31, 2013, 08:28:32 am
Since the topic is Gargoyles, I thought I'd reply.

Wouldn't most gargoyles be immune to Death Note? The ones that don't take names, at least. Even Goliath has been known to say "My kind have no names, but the humans call me Goliath." So, it's iffy if Goliath is immune. Elisa's "spell" should've made him immune to all magic, but we've seen that it doesn't.

And I agree, Xanatos would burn a Death Note so no one could use it on him. Demona, on the other hand, would start copying the phone book!

Wouldn't work. One of the rules of a Death Note is that you need to have an accurate image of the person in mind when you write their name, at least accurate enough to differentiate one John Smith from another. I seriously doubt Demona could put that many names to faces.

Well, too bad for her, but good for the rest of New York! Elisa's probably screwed, though. Demona would settle for killing her if she couldn't kill all the humans. Unless....you have to know the person's middle name if they have one? I don't think middle names were ever brought up on Death Note since they're not a big deal in Japan. I can't swear to it, but I think Elisa's middle name might be Julia. I looked at a screengrab of her ID and unless I'm misreading, it looks like her middle name is Julia. At the time Elisa would've been born, there was a sit-com by that name I could see her mother liking.

Light once kills someone writing down only their middle initial rather than full middle name (Lind L. Taylor).

Also: Xanatos would be an idiot to burn the Death Note so it can't be used against him. First, because it's immensely powerful and he of all people should be able to get a lot out of it. Second, because there are better ways of protecting yourself from a Death Note. I think one of the many weirder rules was that if someone's name is unintentionally misspelled 4 times on a Death Note, that person cannot be killed with that note. Xanatos should have zero trouble somehow getting someone to write down his name wrong, and he gets to keep the magic killing/controlling artefact while being sure it can't be used (directly) against him.

LOL! I can see that! Oh, I decided to start spelling my last name with a Z. April Fool! There's 2 n's in "Xanatos". April Fool! My middle name is Ichabod because my parents thought the initials would be cute. April Fool! I decided to go with the Welsh form of my name, Dafydd. You're not terribly bright, are you?
That would actually work.

In one of the movies, L wrote his name in the Death Note to protect himself.

Xanatos could do that. Unfortunately, he can't get an extended lifespan out of the deal.

I'd think he might want to try to get a Shinigami to look out for him. That's the best way to cover all of your bases. Until Light gets sick of its shit, I suppose.

Of course, even then, Xanatos chose Owen over Puck. He has a knack for doing the unexpected.

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The mercenaries are part of why the castle fell apart. But I was thinking more the fact that his mercenaries stalked her through the park with the intent to kill.

Castle fell apart twice, I was thinking of the part at the end. And yeah, thinking back through, I guessed you might have been referring to that. Could be that the Illuminati covered for him. Could also be that Elisa didn't press charges for that because she thought it might get out what they were actually there for, which was tracking Goliath.
Downside was that he ended up dead really soon after that because, well, he's in a Death Note. Then again, he's dumb for his code name actually being the same as his real name (L Lawliet)
Title: Re: Gargoyles and Death Note
Post by: Lithp on September 01, 2013, 12:11:28 am
I don't know how it turned out in the movie, but there are rules that Xanatos can use to make himself invulnerable. For instance, he could set his death well after it is feasible for him to die. Even if that wouldn't work, you can alter the time of death within 6 minutes & 40 seconds of writing it, therefore, he could use a computer to keep altering his own death. Also, if he's over 124, the Death Note will have no effect on him, which brings the time loop into question.

Then there are ass-random exceptions, like how B was born with the Shinigami Eyes.

Of course, it's also a rule that "All humans, without exception, eventually die." But that doesn't seem to be the case in Gargoyles, so you could probably suspend that one.

Speaking of Gargoyles rules, if you interfered with the death using sorcery, such as turning Xanatos to stone at 38 seconds, that may or may not negate the death.

I didn't see "L" coming, & you'd still have to guess "Lawliet."
Title: Re: Gargoyles and Death Note
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on September 01, 2013, 04:47:33 am
I still think like the 4-times thing would be the best plan. Additionally, any fragment of the Death Note works as well as the Death Note. So, he could keep the book itself locked up and hidden, with a binder full of Death Note Paper, and use that. If it gets destroyed, no worries, he can harvest more.
Title: Re: Gargoyles and Death Note
Post by: Yla on September 01, 2013, 06:27:44 am
I still think like the 4-times thing would be the best plan. Additionally, any fragment of the Death Note works as well as the Death Note. So, he could keep the book itself locked up and hidden, with a binder full of Death Note Paper, and use that. If it gets destroyed, no worries, he can harvest more.
The danger is not it getting destroyed, the danger is it falling into the (to him) wrong hands.

Can a mod split off this derail, please?
Title: Re: Gargoyles and Death Note
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on September 01, 2013, 06:46:54 am
I still think like the 4-times thing would be the best plan. Additionally, any fragment of the Death Note works as well as the Death Note. So, he could keep the book itself locked up and hidden, with a binder full of Death Note Paper, and use that. If it gets destroyed, no worries, he can harvest more.
The danger is not it getting destroyed, the danger is it falling into the (to him) wrong hands.
Can a mod split off this derail, please?
True. However, it would also allow him to destroy it without any danger of losing the power if he thought it was about to be taken.
Title: Re: Gargoyles and Death Note
Post by: Sigmaleph on September 01, 2013, 06:26:54 pm
I don't know how it turned out in the movie, but there are rules that Xanatos can use to make himself invulnerable. For instance, he could set his death well after it is feasible for him to die.

You can't set a time of death more than 23 days after writing on the note, though. The only exception is if you set the cause of death to be disease, in which case I think the way it works is that you get the specified disease at the time written down (within 23 days) and then you die at the appropriate amount of time for that disease.

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Even if that wouldn't work, you can alter the time of death within 6 minutes & 40 seconds of writing it, therefore, he could use a computer to keep altering his own death.

I'm pretty sure it's 6 minutes and 40 seconds from when you first wrote the name, the clock doesn't reset every time you modify the cause of death.

Can a mod split off this derail, please?

Sure.
Title: Re: Gargoyles and Death Note
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on September 01, 2013, 06:35:47 pm
I'm pretty sure the disease thing is right. So, if he used, say, HIV, with the modern treatments (considering his wealth and all), he'd be functionally immortal.
Title: Re: Gargoyles and Death Note
Post by: Sigmaleph on September 01, 2013, 07:29:52 pm
It is not clear the HIV plan can work. The "live long enough to die of something else" thing might disqualify it as a cause of death, meaning you default to "heart stops after 40 seconds".
Title: Re: Gargoyles and Death Note
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on September 01, 2013, 09:30:10 pm
It is not clear the HIV plan can work. The "live long enough to die of something else" thing might disqualify it as a cause of death, meaning you default to "heart stops after 40 seconds".
I was pretty sure it would actually be "Live until that thing kills you", which means that only the HIV could kill him.
Title: Re: Gargoyles and Death Note
Post by: Sigmaleph on September 01, 2013, 10:49:07 pm
Right, but the point is the disease has to be a cause of death. A fair number of people with HIV and access to modern treatment (as Xanatos would be) don't actually die of it, or complications relating to it, or whatever. This is generally described as 'you'll live long enough to die of something else', that's the reference I was making. It's arguable, of course, but if this makes HIV not an actual cause of death, then you can't use it on the Death Note.
Title: Re: Gargoyles and Death Note
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on September 01, 2013, 10:51:10 pm
Right, but the point is the disease has to be a cause of death. A fair number of people with HIV and access to modern treatment (as Xanatos would be) don't actually die of it, or complications relating to it, or whatever. This is generally described as 'you'll live long enough to die of something else', that's the reference I was making. It's arguable, of course, but if this makes HIV not an actual cause of death, then you can't use it on the Death Note.
It could also be argued that, without a cure, the HIV will sooner or later win. It might take getting stranded on an island, but sooner or later you'll lose. It's inevitable.