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Re: Best Political Cartoons
« Reply #3330 on: February 17, 2014, 03:16:15 am »
....what?
Basically, it's comparing the "persecution" exotic pet owners go through to the human rights abuses against political dissidents in Burma.

Jesus Christ on a cracker, you have no idea how much exotic pet ownership pisses me off.

Yeah, enjoy your inbred, hybridized tiger useless for any conservation programs (yes a lot of these people try to pull the 'it's conservation' card)... while genetically viable tigers are slaughtered to extinction. Enjoy your monkey (after you've removed its teeth, fingertips, and tail), I'm sure it loves living alone in a birdcage. Enjoy your wolf, I'm sure the fact that it has not descended from animals bred for generations to have accept human contact won't have any impact on your ability to care for it or its unique needs (wolves aren't just dogs that live in the woods). Enjoy that turtle, I'm sure the fact that you're too much of a cheapskate to buy a UV lamp and research what the species in question needs in terms of food, water, and habitat won't result in it dying several decades prematurely.
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Re: Best Political Cartoons
« Reply #3331 on: February 17, 2014, 03:40:14 am »
Feral, it sounds like irresponsible exotic pet ownership pisses you off. If someone has the time, money, and know-how to appropriately care for an exotic animal, I say they can knock themselves out. Besides, many animals live significantly longer in captivity than they do in the wild, and education programs aren't out of the question just because an animal is hybridized.
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Re: Best Political Cartoons
« Reply #3332 on: February 17, 2014, 05:25:40 am »
Education, sure, but not conservation. I don't think that someone who isn't part of an actual conservation/research/educational program should own wildlife. No pets, no entertainment. The entire 'pet wildlife' industry (from trappers to breeders to buyers) is irresponsible- and it's not just PETA freaks saying that. Biologists, ecologists, and other experts point out the damage caused to local ecosystems (Examples: population decline in rainforests as a direct result of the pet trade, and Florida's ongoing problems with introduced species like pythons), the introduced diseases, breeding mills for the ~20% or so animals that weren't caught in the wild, the huge percentage (as high as 90% depending on species) of animals that end up dead during transport, the lack of regulation, all before we even get into the common problems in private ownership situations or the entertainment industry. That a few animals have managed to live longer in captivity just means they are the lucky ones.
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Re: Best Political Cartoons
« Reply #3333 on: February 17, 2014, 08:58:47 am »
Speaking of...


I read Sandra and Woo.

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I read it too.  I should catch up on it.
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Re: Best Political Cartoons
« Reply #3334 on: February 17, 2014, 10:04:38 am »
Feral, it sounds like irresponsible exotic pet ownership pisses you off. If someone has the time, money, and know-how to appropriately care for an exotic animal, I say they can knock themselves out. Besides, many animals live significantly longer in captivity than they do in the wild, and education programs aren't out of the question just because an animal is hybridized.

It's still dangerous and stupid on many levels, and unfair to the captive wild animals. They cannot be actual pets by definition. Few people who own exotics actually have the needed amount of money, time or expertise to keep them. What they do have is enough ego and naivete to want a "special" "pet" because it's cool and unique. Exotic pet permit requirements are laughable; exotic pet laws are actually woefully outdated, inadequate, and poorly enforced due to lack of LEO manpower to do the job. The majority of the animals suffer poor quality lives in constrained confinement that is inherently cruel for animals that naturally roam over huge territories, and that have dispositions suited to surviving; intelligence and curiosity and natural paranoia. A private owner cannot enrich a captive wild animal's enclosure enough to keep it's mind properly stimulated. It's a huge challenge in zoos, which have the expertise, manpower and facilities, so how can an exotic pet owner even come close to that level of care? Even zoo keepers admit they can barely keep their animals occupied. This is why exotic pets can be so dangerous. A captive tiger needs the same things as a wild one; to stalk grazing animals, failing often and then succeeding in a kill, it needs many square miles of wild habitat, it needs the presence of other tigers to compete over turf with and for mates. Who can provide that? Maybe Ted Turner, on his gazillion acre ranch, but nobody else.
 
Education, sure, but not conservation. I don't think that someone who isn't part of an actual conservation/research/educational program should own wildlife. No pets, no entertainment. The entire 'pet wildlife' industry (from trappers to breeders to buyers) is irresponsible- and it's not just PETA freaks saying that. Biologists, ecologists, and other experts point out the damage caused to local ecosystems (Examples: population decline in rainforests as a direct result of the pet trade, and Florida's ongoing problems with introduced species like pythons), the introduced diseases, breeding mills for the ~20% or so animals that weren't caught in the wild, the huge percentage (as high as 90% depending on species) of animals that end up dead during transport, the lack of regulation, all before we even get into the common problems in private ownership situations or the entertainment industry. That a few animals have managed to live longer in captivity just means they are the lucky ones.

This times ten. Even in the aquarium hobby, salt water mini reef aquarium hobbyists are evolving the hobby to depend on captive bred species of fish and crustacean that have naturally tiny territorial zones in the wild, and to grow tank raised corals and anemones only. Over capture and harvest of specimen fish, crustaceans, mollusks and coral reef chunks ("live rock") for the hobby has become a big enough problem that CITES restrictions are being enforced with vigor.  The world's reefs are dying out from temperature fluctuations and agricultural runoff fast enough. Adding in the additional destructive pressure from coral harvesting and animal capture is the icing on the cake, in a very bad way.

I live in Florida. The problem with released pet snakes has become a bigger every day nightmare than just the news stories illustrate. There's also the issue of tons of other exotic species that thrive in this climate and ecosystem. All of them from the exotic pet trade; tarantulas, poison dart frogs, toads, many species of snakes, parrots, monkeys, fish, fruit bats, etc. etc.
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Re: Best Political Cartoons
« Reply #3335 on: February 17, 2014, 10:44:23 am »
Here we go again! Take it to the Flame & Burn section!
http://fqa.digibase.ca/index.php?board=12.0

Now, there will be no more flame wars, only Best Political Cartoons.

The same holds true for the Worst Political Cartoons.

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Re: Best Political Cartoons
« Reply #3336 on: February 17, 2014, 10:56:43 am »
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Re: Best Political Cartoons
« Reply #3337 on: February 17, 2014, 11:00:28 am »
Here we go again! Take it to the Flame & Burn section!
http://fqa.digibase.ca/index.php?board=12.0

Now, there will be no more flame wars, only Best Political Cartoons.

The same holds true for the Worst Political Cartoons.

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Who do you see as trolling or flaming? There is discussion going on, myself and feral are quite well versed in the topic of wild animal ownership issues, and both of us offered counter arguments (as in civil, calm, knowledge-based debate arguments) to Dongy's civil, calm argument in defense of "responsible exotic pet owners", which neither of us see as a realistic standpoint, but also neither feral or myself cast any aspersion or derision towards Dongy, at all. Please, Spuki, re-read that section of the threads. No one was making any personal attacks there.

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Re: Best Political Cartoons
« Reply #3338 on: February 17, 2014, 01:20:16 pm »
Orwell and Huxley:  They were both right.

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Re: Best Political Cartoons
« Reply #3339 on: February 17, 2014, 01:47:27 pm »
Orwell and Huxley:  They were both right.
In different ways, yes.

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Re: Best Political Cartoons
« Reply #3340 on: February 17, 2014, 09:09:43 pm »
Here we go again! Take it to the Flame & Burn section!
http://fqa.digibase.ca/index.php?board=12.0

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YOU ARE NOT A MOD STOP TRYING TO BE ONE!

And I'm not seeing any form of flame warring but a passionate discussion.  There's a difference.  Learn it.

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Re: Best Political Cartoons
« Reply #3341 on: February 17, 2014, 11:30:24 pm »
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That said, they were both right; Orwell was just right for a place where you and I don't live. Orwell was also a much better writer than Huxley.
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Re: Best Political Cartoons
« Reply #3342 on: February 18, 2014, 12:20:40 am »
I'd argue that you're not helping the situation with your gigantic capitalized text, ironbite.  You're not really a mod either.  Also, I realize that me calling you out on that could almost be considered hypocritical.
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Re: Best Political Cartoons
« Reply #3343 on: February 18, 2014, 12:21:59 am »
I'd argue that you're not helping the situation with your gigantic capitalized text, ironbite.  You're not really a mod either.  Also, I realize that me calling you out on that could almost be considered hypocritical.
You've been here much longer than I have, Jack, so I'd like to ask you a question.  Was Ironbite always an asshole, or is this just a recent development?

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Re: Best Political Cartoons
« Reply #3344 on: February 18, 2014, 12:27:26 am »
DOCTAH! Oi, space man, you're needed here!
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