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Re: No Business for Bigots
« Reply #30 on: February 24, 2012, 05:47:04 am »
If there were black store owners in the 60's, I have no reason to doubt there would be instances of them kicking out racist white people who had oppressed them.

I say, the oppressed can turn the tables on the oppressors whenever they get the opportunity, and a hearty Fuck Yeah from me.
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Re: No Business for Bigots
« Reply #31 on: February 24, 2012, 07:46:54 am »
Does that mean you'd support a homophobic business owner who refuses to serve someone who participates in gay pride parades or actively campaigns for gay rights (bearing in mind I'm only taking about refusing service based on their pro-gay activism, not their sexuality).

Doesn't that seem like an easy way to refuse service to most gay people?
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Re: No Business for Bigots
« Reply #32 on: February 24, 2012, 09:44:53 am »
Bitch is gonna have bad dye jobs and sloppy cuts for the rest of her life.  First rule of hair salons - treat your stylist with class and don't offend!  also? word gets around, you know?

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Re: No Business for Bigots
« Reply #33 on: February 24, 2012, 04:57:45 pm »
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Re: No Business for Bigots
« Reply #34 on: February 24, 2012, 07:23:34 pm »
Does that mean you'd support a homophobic business owner who refuses to serve someone who participates in gay pride parades or actively campaigns for gay rights (bearing in mind I'm only taking about refusing service based on their pro-gay activism, not their sexuality).

Doesn't that seem like an easy way to refuse service to most gay people?

Possibly, but you do have to admit that condemning it while supporting businesses that refuse service to active bigots is simple hypocrisy.

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Re: No Business for Bigots
« Reply #35 on: February 24, 2012, 07:33:41 pm »
Possibly, but you do have to admit that condemning it while supporting businesses that refuse service to active bigots is simple hypocrisy.

I don't know.  I think there is a difference between what the laws should state and where I take my business. 

I'm not condemning what this Salon owner at all, nor do I think it is against or should be against the law because it was targeted at a specific person for a specific reason.
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Re: No Business for Bigots
« Reply #36 on: February 24, 2012, 07:37:58 pm »
Depends on how you look at it, & what your reasons are for why it's correct in 1 instance but not in another.

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Re: No Business for Bigots
« Reply #37 on: February 24, 2012, 07:49:04 pm »
Depends on how you look at it, & what your reasons are for why it's correct in 1 instance but not in another.

As I said, for the Salon owner he stated, (unless I read it wrong) that he was refusing service to the Governor.  He did not make a blanket statement about all republicans or anything.  I think that is the sort of the line, individuals who you don't like vs groups you don't like.

That might be a little hypocritical, and I'm not married to that stance.  This is a tough issue.  On the one hand you have the rights of business owners and on the other you have the rights of individuals.  It is a lot like the Pharmacists that refuse to give out Plan B.
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Re: No Business for Bigots
« Reply #38 on: February 24, 2012, 07:57:13 pm »
As I said, for the Salon owner he stated, (unless I read it wrong) that he was refusing service to the Governor.  He did not make a blanket statement about all republicans or anything.  I think that is the sort of the line, individuals who you don't like vs groups you don't like.
So what's to say he wouldn't do the same to any other individual who has the same views?
That might be a little hypocritical, and I'm not married to that stance.  This is a tough issue.  On the one hand you have the rights of business owners and on the other you have the rights of individuals.  It is a lot like the Pharmacists that refuse to give out Plan B.
I agree totally with you there. It's why I think it'd be much easier to simply say either business can or can't deny service based on their dislike for any given customer under any circumstances. I may be over-simplifying things, but I just can't see any other way to do it that doesn't essentially boil down to something as subjective as "only do it when I agree with you".

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Re: No Business for Bigots
« Reply #39 on: February 24, 2012, 08:09:50 pm »
If you don't like how a storeowner is excluding certain people, just... take your business elsewhere. It sends a message.

On many episodes of What Would You Do, when the passerby see a storeowner being an ass, 99% of the time they are outraged and leave the store.
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Re: No Business for Bigots
« Reply #40 on: February 24, 2012, 08:11:41 pm »
I was referring to whether or not it should be legal, not whether or not I personally agree with it.

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Re: No Business for Bigots
« Reply #41 on: February 24, 2012, 08:12:18 pm »
That's the rub isn't it?  If you say it is okay for individuals then how many individuals before it becomes a blanket refusal. 

I remember the story of the wedding photographer that refused to photograph a lesbian's couples wedding.  She was honest and quite nice in her refusal.  I think she even suggested another photographer.  The couple sued for discrimination and won.  While I don't agree with the photographers stance on the issue, I do feel that it was a bit wrong that she got sued.

I guess this is one of those topics that you are damned if you do, damned if you don't.
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Re: No Business for Bigots
« Reply #42 on: February 24, 2012, 08:15:37 pm »
I guess this is one of those topics that you are damned if you do, damned if you don't.
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