The right to bear arms is an inherent human right, not some privilege granted by governments.
Well in Canada it isn't. Canada has really strict gun laws requiring you to attain a license depending on what kind of firearm you want to purchase. Which requires you to take the Canada's firearms safety course. As well as pass a psychiatric evaluation and a full on background check. Every gun you buy has a 28 day waiting period. The only guns that don't require a license are hunting rifles, but hunting also has it's own rules and regulations. So the right to own a gun is not guaranteed which is why Canada has a really low fire arm homicide rate. Two per one hundred thousand people than it's neighbor down south.
Now I agree that banning fifteen hundred types of guns is a bit extreme. When the real problem is smuggling guns in from the US.
Just because Canada doesn't recognize it as a human right doesn't mean it's not a human right.
What the fuck are you talking about? The shooting spree that were referring to took place in Canada. There's no right to bear arms in Canada and firearms are heavily regulated. Your argument makes as much sense as saying Just because (insert country) doesn't recognize not obeying speed limits as a human right doesn't mean it's not a human right.
Well then, maybe Canada really should ban alcohol. Nobody needs to get drunk, and as I discussed earlier, drunk driving kills far more Canadians than gun violence.
Well being that fire arms are harder to obtain in Canada of course drunk driving kills more people. But there are also these things called laws and regulations put on alcohol consumption and operating a motor vehicles which punish offenders harshly and hold people accountable. Laws that if they were not in place would make driving completely dangerous, since anyone could just do what they want. Laws that are preventing even more deaths from happening. Laws and regulations that a lot of fire arm advocates don't want or want removed to prevent fire arm safety.
Bold of you to assume these laws will accomplish anything. The perpetrator of this massacre committed it with guns he wasn't legally allowed to own. What laws would have stopped him?
I looked through what is probably the most definitive declaration of human rights yet composed.
Maybe I missed it, but could you please point me to where it says that people have a right to own guns?
Right here:
Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.
(1) Everyone has the right to own property alone as well as in association with others.
(2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his property.
Or do you interpret these differently?
So granting people the freedom to have or do what they want... is authoritarian? Huh?
The argument that you should be allowed to do WHATEVER you want without restriction or your "freedom" is being taken away is the first step in Authoritarian Libertarianism. First, you claim "freedom" is the ability to do whatever you want, and then you claim the majority is taking away your rights. This was in fact the argument the Libertarian movement made against DESEGREGATION; that it was wrong for the government or the majority to demand all-white schools accept black children. They just took it to the logical conclusion; that if the most important thing in the world is that you can do whatever you want, then you should be allowed to deprive OTHER PEOPLE of what they have, because them having things you don't is infringing on your freedom.
You're entitled to your opinion, but that doesn't give you the right to arbitrarily decide what other people can and can't do. I consider the desire to smoke tobacco and marijuana irrational, but I don't want to force people to give up their smoking habits. What I do want is to keep said smoking habits from hurting other people.
It's bullshit to bring into an argument about a tool that exists SOLELY to murder other human beings things that are not. Smoking does not exist specifically to kill something else.
1. Now I see what you're getting at. But you're indulging in a slippery slope fallacy. More important, that's conflating two entirely different things. My owning whatever guns I like is in no way an infringement on your rights and freedoms.
And since you brought up opposition to desegregation, I feel obligated to remind you that gun control has a well-documented history of racism. I gotta be honest: a big part of why I'm against gun control is because I'm afraid it would be applied in a discriminatory way.
2. Oh, stop being melodramatic. Guns aren't intended "solely to murder other human beings". There are completely legitimate reasons to use them, like hunting and self-defense.
Smoking also kills many more Americans every year than guns. And before you say smokers are only killing themselves, secondhand smoke kills more than 41,000 Americans every year. Even including suicides by firearm and gun-related accidents, only around 33,000 Americans are killed by gunshots annually.
Vanto, you keep using the word "arbitrarily" but only when it is something that you specifically disagree with. I don't think you understand what the word means.
That Canada does not consider a "right to bear arms" to be a human right is not an arbitrary choice. Universal Declaration of Human Rights is the opposite of "arbitrary" as it was something that drafted by 18 people specifically chosen to be from various diverse backgrounds, it was voted on by all then members of the UN and has been later approved by nearly every country in the world. This is not something that people chose as a joke or made up on the spot, it was something that was deliberate on and meticulously crafted to be as good as possible.
Same goes with the flag burning. Germany didn't just randomly decide "lol, let's make this illegal." To make a law in any country (aside from dictatorships) means that scholars, judges and politicians have carefully drafted the law and through elected politicians, the will of the voters has been the final say on whether or not the new law is to be adopted.
Well, the more I look at restrictions on guns and flag-burning, the more arbitrary they seem to me.
Welp, put a mark on the wall, Benny boy made a good comic once in a while. Heck, he's not even using that many labels this time.
Guess that explains the pigs I saw flying over the woods behind my house.
