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Title: Encountering Religion on Omegle
Post by: hiddenfunstuff on May 07, 2012, 08:48:16 pm

Hi. You probably don't know me, considering I only ever posed a few times on the old board, but I'm back.

Slightly.

Anyway, I'd like to share a chatlog from me just messing about on omegle. Why? Why not is why. Basicly, do you have any thoughts or anything about this? I'm kind of paranoid that I might not have handled it as well as I could.

Oh, and feel free to add in your own logs or anything. Might as well put them here.

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You're now chatting with a random stranger. Say hi!
Question to discuss:
Do you know there are more people who believe in Allah and Mohammed than Jesus and God?

Stranger: yes

You: Wrong.

Stranger: i know

Stranger: no

Stranger: stranger

Stranger: it's true

Stranger: islam is taking over the world

Stranger: & that's just a fact

Stranger: weather u like it or not

You: According to the most recent statisitcs, christiantiy is still ahaid by about a half-billion people.

You: Then Islam.

You: Then misc.

Stranger: but it's not expanding like islam does

Stranger: only islam is expanding at this moments

You: That still doesn't make the above statement true.

Stranger: if anything christianity is getting behind because of all those childrape cases

You: Like I give a fuck, I'm an atheist.

Stranger: :D

Stranger: haha

Stranger: we're just having a convers

Stranger: no1 gives a fuck here

Stranger: not even the spy

You: And technically, allah and yahweh are the same dude.

Stranger: it is what it is

Stranger: true that

Stranger: :D

You: And they belive jesus existed.

You: Just that he was a prophet and not god.

Stranger: yeah moslims & christians & jews have much more in common than they think

You: They still flip out and kill the fuck out of each other at the drop of a hat.

You: Religions of peace, my ass.

Stranger: yeah.. what a shame

Stranger: i'm not gonna htae god, just because people are retarded,

Stranger: *hate

You: I can't hate something that doesn't exisit.

Stranger: :D

Stranger: the only thing im 200% sure of, is the existence of god

Stranger: :D sorry

You: I am 99.9999999999(repeating) sure that there isin't a god.

Stranger: :D

Stranger: ok

Stranger: let's just for a second

Stranger: say that god exist

Stranger: & hell & heaven also exist

Stranger: just go with me

Stranger: but u deny it

Stranger: sory for my bad english, i speak dutch

Stranger: & u dy

Stranger: u die..

Stranger: u'll go 2 hell

Stranger: is that a chance u're willing to take

You: Pascall's wager. Such a tired old argument. Yes. Very much yes. Cause if there Is a god that thinks that eternal torment is a just responce to finite sin, i would have no part in folowing it.

Stranger: finite sin?

Stranger: what is that

Stranger: that people are born with sin?

You: No, not at all. Finite means not infinite.

Stranger: ow ok..

You: Though the idea of original sin is fucking evil as well.

Stranger: so you're ok with being tortured eternally for the sins u made

Stranger: yeah i'm not ok with that neither

Stranger: it doesnt make any sense at all

You: If there was a god as is described in the bible, i would not worship it. Bit of a moot point considering that there isin't a god, but still.

Stranger: islam says that we were only created 2 worship god

Stranger: that's our only task

Stranger: im muslim btw :D

You: So god is a giant asshole that created a species of intelligent sentients only to stroke his ego for eternity?

Stranger: :D

You: I am not comfortable with that.

Stranger: your opinion about it doesnt matter, you just do what god told u to do :D

Stranger: i know that sounds like slavery

Stranger: but i know he has a good reason for all of this

You: So even though i am supposably follwoing god's will, i still go to hell for not believeing in it, even though it made me to not belive in it? That's fucked up.

You: That is royally fucked up.

Stranger: what , no ofcourse not.. by not worshiping him, u're not following his will

Stranger: therefor u go 2 hell :p

Stranger: but you know what islam also says

Stranger: you could be the worst guy that ever lived in this planet, you could still get in heaven cus of his grace

You: Now that's still fucked up.

Stranger: a perfect muslim can go 2 hell eve,n though he gave his whole life worhsinpin god

Stranger: it's all about ur intention

Stranger: god sees what's in ur heart & how you think

Stranger: & if you just take the time 2 read just a couple of verses of quran, u'll just feel that its gods words, i swear

Stranger: im a convert

You: So god is an asshole that arbitrarily damns people for that which is outsite ther control.

Stranger: no, you have a will, & you have the ability to choose

You: I have read a lot of the quran by the way.

Stranger: so it's all up 2 you

You: What is the point of free will then?

Stranger: really? that's cool that you're openminded.. i love that

You: Is it just to torture these flesh puppets god made for it's own amusement?

Stranger: no, i don't think that way

Stranger: you're seeing the whole thing way too negative

You: Seriously, if god did exist there is no way I could follow a monster like that.

Stranger: i don't know why

Stranger: what monster?

Stranger: all he asks us 2 do, is to worship him

Stranger: after all he created us

Stranger: what s sooo hard & cruel about that

You: Liek you said, it's all about intentions. Why did god do any of that?

You: What does it gain him, if not merely an amusing bauble to look at?

You: Why even bother with a heaven and hell?

You: Why bother with free will?

Stranger: you don't know all the answers.. you don't have too.. submitting to god , means you follow him in everything he says no matter how unreasonable it may seem, it's not like he's asking us 2 kill people or wahtever.. all he asks from us, is 2 be good in every way possible

You: If it's just for his own glory, how is that a resonable motive?

Stranger: it may seem pointless to you now.. but you re only human, maybe after you die, it will all become clear, & u ll understand more why u had 2 worship him..

You: If he wanted us to be good then why didn't he build us to defult to that?

You: Only human?

You: ONLY HUMAN?

Stranger: we are limited :d the quran god says, he only gave us just a liiiiittle bit of knowledge & it's proven that we only use 1% of our brains & look how far that brought us

Stranger: that's the free will... he wants to see if we're worth entering the heaven

You: Fuck you and your cult for devaluing human existance to being the mere, unworthy playtoys of some cosmic jackass.

Stranger: :D no need 2 insult

Stranger: if you can't keep up the converstation, just disconnect

You: and all fo your brain is used.

You: Just not all at the same time.

Stranger: bye now.. have a good life

Stranger: i didnt mean to offend you in any way

Stranger: i'm just telling you my side of the story

You: When you meet oblibion at the end of your life you will see how you wasted your only chance at existance.

You: Pandering to your own superstition.

Stranger: i can use that same sentence agianst you :D.. only u loose eternally

You: Proof?

Stranger: proof that god doesnt exist?

You: Proof that there is anything after death.

Stranger: u & i both can't proove our points.. that's it .. it's all about faith

You: Proof that there is a spititual aspect to the universe.

You: Without proof, why should I believe?

You: Doesn't that seem stupid?

Stranger: god doesnt need you

You: So why did he make me then?

Stranger: you need him, believe me

Stranger: 2 worship him

You: What does he get out of that?

Stranger: this is getting boring :D .. i know how u feel bout it, & u know how i feel about it

Stranger: end of story

You: Does he NEED worship?

Stranger: no, he already knows weather u're going 2 hell or to heaven

You: So why make people that go to hell?

Stranger: but he let's you live ur life so that you can be your own proof

Stranger: so that you wouldnt say, he misjudged you

You: Does he get off on seeing people in pain?

Stranger: get off?

You: Whatever deities have for that i don't know.

Stranger: everyone is going to get his reward.. no pain is lost in this world

You: Let me ask you something.

You: Does he want eveyone to go to heaven?

Stranger: it's getting late & i have class tomorrow morning

Stranger: the ones who truly deserve it

Stranger: it's 2.23

Stranger: where you from?

You: Australia.

Stranger: ok what time is it now there

You: 10 am.

Stranger: ow lucky you

Stranger: i only have max 3 hours 2 sleep

Stranger: sorry for whatever i said

Stranger: i have 2 go

You: It's fine, i just hate what your beleif system does to people.

You: I don't hate you, per se.

Stranger: tnx best wishes bye.. just don't think of everything 2 black & white

Stranger: :D tnx haha

Stranger: appreciate it

Stranger: but i never felt peace untill i converted :D so don't feel sorry for me

You: Peace.

You: Right, i'm out. File this one with the other 30 chats that wound up exactly the same.

Stranger: i didnt get the last sentence

Stranger: but what ever :s

Stranger: damn i have 2 get better in english, this is getting frustrating

You: Hey, you aren't the first one to argue your faith to me. And you won't be the last.

Stranger: haha actually this is the first time i argued with some1 bout my believes

Stranger: i normally just live & let live

You: If you're an atheist, you kind of just attract this kind of stuff.

Stranger: i mean, i don't have the tendency 2 convert people into my believes

Stranger: haha

Stranger: muslims too .. i don't look like a muslim

Stranger: so no1 notices anything.. it's between me & my creator, no1 has 2 know

You: That's a pretty healthy stance to take. You're still silly for beliving in a farytale, but at least you avoid conflict with those that don't share you view.

Stranger: it's just that we're anonymous here, & that spy asked that question, & i was like why not

You: Kudos to you.

Stranger: :D i don't like it though that u think i believe in a farytale.. i'm not retarded, it may sound that way because of my bad english :p

You: And I don't like it that you think that any person is deserving of eternal torture. But I don't blamy you, I blame your beliefs.

Stranger: i also said that no1 is guaranteed a place in heaven, even the most perfect muslim

Stranger: it's all about our intentions

Stranger: like there s this story i like

Stranger: if u have 5 more min?

You: I have as much time as I want.

Stranger: this prostitute went 2 heaven because she once fed a cat/ a muslim woman went 2 hell because she held a cat at her home & never fed him till he died of hunger & thirst

Stranger: these are stories told by the prophet, it kinda shows that all that matters is how pure your heart is

Stranger: point being

You: Well then I'm going to heaven, cause I can't stand crualty.

Stranger: haha hope so 2

Stranger: but u have 2 admit there's a god :p

Stranger: or is ur ego so big?

You: Ok then I'm going to hell despite being a good person. Or, far more likely this consept i call 'me' will end when my organic cercuitry breaks down.

You: Regardless of what I did.

Stranger: :D who knows what god has in petto for u

You: Well he better make a good excuse for himself, is all I'm saying.

Stranger: only god will judje what 2 do with your soul

Stranger: haha

Stranger: how old r u

You: 19.

Stranger: me 2

Stranger: nice chat

Stranger: gotta go

Stranger: bye take care

Your conversational partner has disconnected.

Title: Re: Encountering Religion on Omegle
Post by: Osama bin Bambi on May 07, 2012, 10:04:00 pm

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Fuck you and your cult for devaluing human existance to being the mere, unworthy playtoys of some cosmic jackass.

I'm surprised he didn't flip out at you when you said this...

Title: Re: Encountering Religion on Omegle
Post by: Eniliad on May 07, 2012, 10:14:44 pm

Yeah, you weren't getting anywhere with that guy fast. He was impervious to logic. :P

Title: Re: Encountering Religion on Omegle
Post by: hiddenfunstuff on May 07, 2012, 11:20:40 pm

Quote from: Wykked Wytch on May 07, 2012, 10:04:00 pm

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Fuck you and your cult for devaluing human existance to being the mere, unworthy playtoys of some cosmic jackass.

I'm surprised he didn't flip out at you when you said this...

Yeah, I did too. Kinda lost my temper there.

Title: Re: Encountering Religion on Omegle
Post by: Art Vandelay on May 07, 2012, 11:21:11 pm

Try Omegle Video. Let's just say you'll certainly get less religion.

Title: Re: Encountering Religion on Omegle
Post by: hiddenfunstuff on May 07, 2012, 11:38:51 pm

Tried it once. Stuck with it for about 15 minues before going back to question mode. Let's just say I wasn't impressed by their rhetoric.

Title: Re: Encountering Religion on Omegle
Post by: Fpqxz on May 08, 2012, 12:24:02 am

Note the similarities between the Muslim's argument and the typical Christian apologetics.  The fact that these people cannot see that they are essentially using the same reasoning to apply to different religions and come to different conclusions should set off alarm bells.

It should, but strangely, it never does.

Title: Re: Encountering Religion on Omegle
Post by: rookie on May 08, 2012, 12:07:23 pm

Quote from: Fpqxz on May 08, 2012, 12:24:02 am

Note the similarities between the Muslim's argument and the typical Christian apologetics.  The fact that these people cannot see that they are essentially using the same reasoning to apply to different religions and come to different conclusions should set off alarm bells.

I feel so much better that I'm not the only one who sees that.

Title: Re: Encountering Religion on Omegle
Post by: ironbite on May 08, 2012, 01:25:25 pm

I don't know who you are but this annoys me.

Title: Re: Encountering Religion on Omegle
Post by: hiddenfunstuff on May 09, 2012, 12:24:53 am

Is it me who annoys you, or that you did not know me that is the problem?

Title: Re: Encountering Religion on Omegle
Post by: Eniliad on May 09, 2012, 05:04:05 pm

By 'this', he's probably referring to the conversation in the OP.

Yeah, I noticed it too - actually, at first, I thought it WAS a Christian Fundie who was paranoid about the growing number of Muslims. ("They're EVERYWHERE! And there's more of them EVERY DAY! D:")

Title: Re: Encountering Religion on Omegle
Post by: hiddenfunstuff on May 09, 2012, 11:39:33 pm

Yeah, I thought as much too. They really don't seem to get how similar they both are. Though, I'm not sure if that's such a bad thing...

Title: Re: Encountering Religion on Omegle
Post by: Atheissimo on May 10, 2012, 07:17:00 pm

Yeah, yeah. Standard stuff. God can do whatever he likes because he's God, he works in mysterious ways, just do what he says even if it seems wrong or doesn't make sense because otherwise you'll go to Hell.

There are regular people, people who don't claim to be perfect or infinitely good, that are more moral than that

Title: Re: Encountering Religion on Omegle
Post by: Osama bin Bambi on May 10, 2012, 11:56:43 pm

For a Muslim fundie he seemed rather chill.