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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #3780 on: January 24, 2021, 12:24:33 am »
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/arizona-republicans-censure-cindy-mccain-gop-governor-n1255446

It's still the party of Trump: the Arizona Republican Party has censured Cindy McCain, Jeff Flake and Doug Ducey.
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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #3781 on: January 24, 2021, 01:37:33 am »
It should also be noted that the Texas GOP posted this on Twitter: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Esc4PCyUUAAw20T?format=jpg&name=large

Reminder that "the storm" is literally code for the day of the rope. Because they're fascists.
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« Reply #3782 on: January 26, 2021, 06:20:13 pm »
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/senate-impeachment-trump-republicans-1.5888682
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/26/rand-paul-impeachment-462655

Sen. Paul (R-KY) moved that the Senate declare Trump's second impeachment trial unconstitutional on account of his being out of office.

The motion was defeated 45-55, with all Democratic and Independent Senators voting against the motion, along with Sens. Collins (ME), Murkowski (AK), Romney (UT), Sasse (NE) and Toomey (PA).

Senators have been sworn in as jurors, with President pro tempore Sen. Leahy (D-VT) presiding, instead of Vice-President Harris or Chief Justice Roberts.

Looks like conviction is DOA.
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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #3783 on: January 26, 2021, 10:02:25 pm »
Which is not a surprise. Trump could have murdered someone in cold blood in front of their faces and they would have still refused to convict him. As far as they're concerned, Republicans are above the law.
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« Reply #3784 on: January 26, 2021, 10:08:54 pm »
They're terrified of Trump starting a third party, which if they convicted him he would do. (He might not be eligible to run himself, but he would still be a powerful figurehead as a martyr.)

I ran the numbers, and if there's a candidate running in each Senate race in 2020 that takes away 30% of the votes the Republican candidate received, the Senate is 57-43 Democratic right now. (Apply that to 2018 as well and it's 63-37. Add in 2016--say if Trump had been shoved out of the Republican primaries early and started a third party then, and recruited enough candidates--and it's 70-30 Democratic.)

And if you think Mitch McConnell doesn't know that and isn't pants-shittingly terrified of the prospect of the Democratic Party getting a large enough majority to impeach and convict any federal judge, I have oceanfront property in Alberta to sell you.
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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #3785 on: January 26, 2021, 10:24:27 pm »
Agreed. There's a reason I said we'll be dealing with the fallout of Trump's presidency for years to come. The Republican party is likely dying at this point and Trump is the reason why. Either they cling to power and die slowly through waning relevance or they piss off the cult leader who radicalized so much of their base and die significantly faster. And Republicans, being fascists, only care about clinging to power, regardless of ethics and morals. Hence why Republicans are above the law in their eyes because the rules are for those who threaten their power.
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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #3786 on: January 26, 2021, 11:27:09 pm »
It doesn't matter what they do.  They pissed off the Cult Leader and he siced his followers on them.  They really don't realize that Trump will do it again.  When it matters.  The Primaries.

Ironbite-they can't lick his boots hard enough to please him and he will slit their throats for them.

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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #3787 on: January 28, 2021, 02:55:50 am »
So what do you predict will end up killing more Americans: Trump's pro-cornivirus policy or Reagan's pro-HIV policy?

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« Reply #3788 on: January 28, 2021, 03:11:46 am »
Reagan's, if only because HIV is going to be around a lot longer.

EDIT: Found this a bit late, but this is technically correct. A good deal of the rioting was not in the streets.

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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #3789 on: February 13, 2021, 07:16:45 pm »
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/trump-impeachment-vote-capitol-riot-1.5913471

And impeachment's done; Burr, Cassidy, Collins, Murkowski, Romney, Sasse and Toomey voted to convict, but it's still only 57-43.
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Being required by someone else’s religious beliefs to behave contrary to one’s sexual identity is degrading and disrespectful.

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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #3790 on: February 14, 2021, 08:00:39 pm »
It is still the most bipartisan impeachment in history.

And the perfect albatross to hang on the Republicans' necks. We knew going in that it would probably not work. But rather than fixating on doom, we need to strategize and see ways to use this.
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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #3791 on: February 14, 2021, 08:20:12 pm »
I find it amusing when people say "most bipartisan impeachment in history" and forget how often federal judges have been investigated for impeachment, and sometimes actually impeached and then removed. Some of those were nearly unanimous.

(Thomas Porteous, for instance, was impeached unanimously on four articles, and on the first article, convicted unanimously; the vote to disqualify him from holding office in future had only two dissenters. It should be noted that he was appointed by Clinton, and impeached and convicted by Congress in 2010, when that body had its largest majorities, for either party, in this case the Democratic Party, in both Houses, in the last quarter-century at least.)

As for hanging it around the Republicans' necks, sure, but by acquitting Trump they lessened the threat of a third party attacking their base. As an acquaintance of mine noted, Roy Moore was utterly despicable, but a large part of why he came so close to winning a Senate seat is because the Democratic Party nominated someone who is staunchly pro-choice in a state that is staunchly pro-life. Like it or not, those issues carry weight, especially in the Senate.
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Being required by someone else’s religious beliefs to behave contrary to one’s sexual identity is degrading and disrespectful.

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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #3792 on: February 14, 2021, 08:43:35 pm »
Keep in mind that this is Trump and the Cult of Trump will still try and punish anyone who Hair Furher says needs to be punished.  And they're not exactly smart people so if he says punish the GOP and purge them of anyone even remotely moderate, to the point where Democrats can easily win general elections in even the most gerrymandered districts.....

Ironbite-the Cult will obey.

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« Reply #3793 on: February 16, 2021, 12:57:22 am »
The thing is, the technicality on which the Republicans acquitted Trump was that since the trial was unconstitutional in the first place (Trump being out of office once it was held; here's Ben Sasse calling bullshit on that) was exposed as the nonsense it was by Burr's voting to convict.

Burr voted to declare the trial unconstitutional twice, when Paul moved that it was, and when the Senate voted on it after the first day of arguments.

But he voted to convict, because at that point it didn't matter whether he thought the trial was constitutional or not; the Senate, which serves as trier of both fact and law (incidentally, this is another reason why Roberts, and not Leahy or even Harris, should have presided) had declared that it was, and therefore it was constitutional. So the only question before him was whether Trump did it.

Every single US Senator knows Trump did it, and knows that it's an impeachable offence for which he should have been removed from office (had he still been in office at the time of the trial) and barred from holding office again. But 43 of them were too worried about their re-election chances (not even 43; Portman voted to acquit and he's retiring) to be willing to say, yes, he did it and he can't hold office again.

As I saw it noted, two votes for conviction were from people who are retiring (Burr and Toomey), three are from people who just won in 2020 (Cassidy, Collins and Sasse), one is from someone who has won despite losing the Republican nomination (Murkowski*) and one is from a state that, while it is solidly Republican, doesn't really like Trump (Romney).

*Alaska recently changed its electoral system to have a jungle primary from which the top four advance, followed by an instant-runoff vote among those four. So Murkowski probably figures she has an even better chance of winning than before.
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It doesn't concern you, Sister, that kind of absolutist view of the universe? Right and wrong determined solely by a single all-knowing, all powerful being whose judgment cannot be questioned and in whose name the most horrendous acts can be sanctioned without appeal?

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Being required by someone else’s religious beliefs to behave contrary to one’s sexual identity is degrading and disrespectful.

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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #3794 on: February 16, 2021, 07:41:11 pm »
Holy fuckballs, Adam Kinzinger's family have written a letter disowning him for voting to impeach Trump.

It's fucking lit. The poor bastard - these people are seriously crazy https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/02/15/us/kinzinger-family-letter.html

The highlight for me was 'How dare you judge' -....'We are not judging you, this is our opinion'

I dare say being disowned by these people would be a relief