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Missouri passes "Right to Pray" amendment
« on: August 08, 2012, 09:47:43 am »
Missouri voters believe “religious liberty is pretty important to them and a high priority,” said Kerry Messer, president of the Missouri Family Network, as the votes were counted. “The public feels like the Supreme Court took this away from them over 50 years ago” with a ruling against mandatory school prayer.

Alex Luchenitser of Americans United for Separation of Church and State, a Washington D.C.-based group opposing the amendment, said he was disappointed but not surprised at the vote.

“This amendment promotes unconstitutional conduct,” he said. “It’s going to result in a whole lot of litigation.”Any immediate impact of the amendment, which takes effect in 30 days, is still unclear.

The new amendment broadly expands the protections in the state’s constitution by adding new sections on religious issues.

In addition to protecting voluntary prayer in school, the amendment:

• Ensures the right to pray individually or in groups in private or public places, as long as the prayer does not disturb the peace or disrupt a meeting

• Prohibits the state from coercing religious activity.

• Protects the right to pray on government property.

• Protects the right of legislative bodies to sponsor prayers and invocations.

• Says students need not take part in assignments or presentations that violate their religious beliefs.

That last provision may soon become the subject of litigation, some critics warned. They said it could lead to students skipping science classes or assignments when they disagree with teaching about the origins of man.
http://www.kansascity.com/2012/08/07/3749376/right-to-pray-passing-easily-in.html

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Re: Missouri passes "Right to Pray" amendment
« Reply #1 on: August 08, 2012, 10:55:03 am »
Missouri voters believe “religious liberty is pretty important to them and a high priority,” said Kerry Messer, president of the Missouri Family Network, as the votes were counted. “The public feels like the Supreme Court took this away from them over 50 years ago” with a ruling against mandatory school prayer.

Alex Luchenitser of Americans United for Separation of Church and State, a Washington D.C.-based group opposing the amendment, said he was disappointed but not surprised at the vote.

“This amendment promotes unconstitutional conduct,” he said. “It’s going to result in a whole lot of litigation.”Any immediate impact of the amendment, which takes effect in 30 days, is still unclear.

The new amendment broadly expands the protections in the state’s constitution by adding new sections on religious issues.

In addition to protecting voluntary prayer in school, the amendment:

• Ensures the right to pray individually or in groups in private or public places, as long as the prayer does not disturb the peace or disrupt a meeting

• Prohibits the state from coercing religious activity.

• Protects the right to pray on government property.

• Protects the right of legislative bodies to sponsor prayers and invocations.

• Says students need not take part in assignments or presentations that violate their religious beliefs.

That last provision may soon become the subject of litigation, some critics warned. They said it could lead to students skipping science classes or assignments when they disagree with teaching about the origins of man.
http://www.kansascity.com/2012/08/07/3749376/right-to-pray-passing-easily-in.html

I really hate my state sometimes.  Oh well I guess nothing like wasting tax payer money right?
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First 4 are redundant as people can still pray in public etc
The last 2 are dumb.  I can so see kids cutting all classes like Math is violating my religious beliefs.

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Re: Missouri passes "Right to Pray" amendment
« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2012, 10:57:04 am »
The last 2 are dumb.  I can so see kids cutting all classes like Math is violating my religious beliefs.
I donno, the last one could be fun. Think it'd be possible to organize students to use it to walk out on any of the religious presentations they obviously intend to use this to back?

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Re: Missouri passes "Right to Pray" amendment
« Reply #3 on: August 08, 2012, 11:51:14 am »
Redundancy is redundant...

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• Ensures the right to pray individually or in groups in private or public places, as long as the prayer does not disturb the peace or disrupt a meeting

So long as it was not the government doing something to encourage the prayer, this was already allowed.

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• Prohibits the state from coercing religious activity.

First Amendment already bars this.

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• Protects the right to pray on government property.

So long as it was not the government doing something to encourage the prayer, this was already allowed.

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• Protects the right of legislative bodies to sponsor prayers and invocations.

The USSC has already said this was constitutional. Unless I am misunderstanding what this clause is supposed to do. (I'm reading it as opening their sessions with a prayer.)

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• Says students need not take part in assignments or presentations that violate their religious beliefs.

Others have already addressed the problems with this one.

So in other words, Missouri did all this work to be allowed to...do what they could do anyway...
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Re: Missouri passes "Right to Pray" amendment
« Reply #4 on: August 08, 2012, 11:53:38 am »
And the Midwest proves that they really do want to go back to the dark ages.
This is full of stupid.

So in other words, Missouri did all this work to be allowed to...do what they could do anyway...

Shhhhh, don't tell them that, they may catch on to why we're laughing at them. But I doubt it, they're not the sharpest tools in the toolshed.
« Last Edit: August 08, 2012, 11:59:39 am by nickiknack »

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Re: Missouri passes "Right to Pray" amendment
« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2012, 01:03:14 pm »
I thought these people believed that pointless government regulation killed jobs.

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Re: Missouri passes "Right to Pray" amendment
« Reply #6 on: August 08, 2012, 01:14:02 pm »
I thought these people believed that pointless government regulation killed jobs.

Regulation only kills jobs when they're the ones being regulated. When they regulate other people then it's Protecting Family Values™

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Re: Missouri passes "Right to Pray" amendment
« Reply #7 on: August 08, 2012, 01:18:30 pm »
These people act like Chick Tracts are facts about how life actually works.

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Re: Missouri passes "Right to Pray" amendment
« Reply #8 on: August 08, 2012, 01:39:50 pm »
These people act like Chick Tracts are facts about how life actually works.

A lot of them truly believe that they are

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Re: Missouri passes "Right to Pray" amendment
« Reply #9 on: August 08, 2012, 07:54:54 pm »
The first thing I thought when I read the title was:

According to this new law, you can be stopped mid-prayer by someone else, for reasons totally unrelated to the way in which you're praying, with no explanation given, and the person who stopped you praying can do things that make it more difficult for you to start praying again for a while.

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Re: Missouri passes "Right to Pray" amendment
« Reply #10 on: August 08, 2012, 08:38:48 pm »
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• Says students need not take part in assignments or presentations that violate their religious beliefs.

I was wondering if we have a math whiz here....How are grades, GPA, and class ranking to be calculated if my theoretical child is opted out of I dunno say 4 classes in HS?  Biology, sex-ed, you get the picture.

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Re: Missouri passes "Right to Pray" amendment
« Reply #11 on: August 08, 2012, 10:06:18 pm »
These people are fucktarded.

There's no real negotiating with these sorts of fools. There's only one way out, and that's to make sure people know exactly what these state sec wannabes are really after in such incremental little steps and hoping to shut them out.

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Re: Missouri passes "Right to Pray" amendment
« Reply #12 on: August 09, 2012, 01:33:20 am »
• Says students need not take part in assignments or presentations that violate their religious beliefs.

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Re: Missouri passes "Right to Pray" amendment
« Reply #13 on: August 09, 2012, 01:36:34 am »
How long 'till a non-Christian tries to take advantage of this? :P
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Re: Missouri passes "Right to Pray" amendment
« Reply #14 on: August 09, 2012, 01:40:03 am »
• Says students need not take part in assignments or presentations that violate their religious beliefs.



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