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Community => Society and History => Topic started by: Shane for Wax on December 24, 2012, 12:00:03 pm
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Two firefighters were shot and killed and two others injured while responding to an early morning fire in Webster, N.Y.
Webster Police Chief Gerald Pickering said shots were fired at West Webster firefighters when they arrived to battle the blaze along Lake Road in Webster, which is about 10 miles west of Rochester.
According to the Rochester Democrat & Chronicle, there are no active shooters at the scene and firefighters have resumed battling the blazes, according to Sheriff Patrick O’Flynn.
The two injured firefighters are in guarded condition at Strong Memorial Hospital with gunshot wounds, a hospital spokeswoman told the Democrat & Chronicle. The newspaper reported firefighters made their way across a bridge to get to safety.
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/two-firefighters-shot-killed-while-responding-webster-n-163105823.html
Okay, what in sweet fuck? What type of person would shoot a firefighter for no good reason?
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Here in the UK random, unprovoked attacks on the emergency services (particularly the fire brigade for some reason) are extremely common...common enough that we've had government ad campaigns about it in the past. So whilst I'm not aware of any fatal attacks in the UK it saddens me to say that this story in no way suprises me.
And to answer your question about who the fuck does this sort of thing, I have one word to say:
Chavs.
<Edit> Or whatever the American equivalent is.
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Holy fuck what the hell is wrong with people?
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Holy fuck what the hell is wrong with people?
That's my question.
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Holy fuck what the hell is wrong with people?
That is also my question, only I probably would have been decidedly more vulgar.
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Here in the UK random, unprovoked attacks on the emergency services (particularly the fire brigade for some reason) are extremely common...common enough that we've had government ad campaigns about it in the past. So whilst I'm not aware of any fatal attacks in the UK it saddens me to say that this story in no way suprises me.
And to answer your question about who the fuck does this sort of thing, I have one word to say:
Chavs.
<Edit> Or whatever the American equivalent is.
Rednecks, maybe?
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Why?
I mean the only thing that seems clear is that he targeted firefighters. If it had been a trap for cops he could have just made a claim about a burglary.
But why? Was this another case of "I'm gonna kill some random people and then myself?" Because that is something I have never understood.
But why firefighters??? Even the most rabid anti-establishemnt folks know that firemen help people.
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But why firefighters??? Even the most rabid anti-establishemnt folks know that firemen help people.
(http://i.imgur.com/wkrVe.jpg)
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^ ...Was that pun intended?
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I guess I did walk into that one.
Quite fitting too if not a bit too soon.
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^ ...Was that pun intended?
Yeah.
I guess I did walk into that one.
Quite fitting too if not a bit too soon.
I guess I've become somewhat desensitized to this stuff over the last week and a half--Sandy Hook, Chenpeng Village, now this...
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Strange thing is I live in Pittsford so I'm right next to the city
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And to answer your question about who the fuck does this sort of thing, I have one word to say:
Chavs.
<Edit> Or whatever the American equivalent is.
Rednecks, maybe?
I don't know if American English really has an equivalent word. When I think of "chav", I think of a group of teenagers who hang out in the mall during school hours and harass and vandalize things just to laugh at them. They're not part of any organized "gang", they're just lazy teenagers with disinterested parents who lack any sense of discipline or respect for other people. "Redneck" makes me think of someone poor and uneducated, while "chav" makes me think of the spoiled brat children of middle-class families (oddly, what a good number of mass shooters seem to be), and we don't really have a catch-all word for them.
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And to answer your question about who the fuck does this sort of thing, I have one word to say:
Chavs.
<Edit> Or whatever the American equivalent is.
Rednecks, maybe?
I don't know if American English really has an equivalent word. When I think of "chav", I think of a group of teenagers who hang out in the mall during school hours and harass and vandalize things just to laugh at them. They're not part of any organized "gang", they're just lazy teenagers with disinterested parents who lack any sense of discipline or respect for other people. "Redneck" makes me think of someone poor and uneducated, while "chav" makes me think of the spoiled brat children of middle-class families (oddly, what a good number of mass shooters seem to be), and we don't really have a catch-all word for them.
Maybe those "swag fags"? Idk...
We have those kids but I don't think they have a name, other than "d-bags".
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These guys might actually be doomsday cultists who got freaked out when 12/21 didn't happen.
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When I was in high school, they were called 'hoods'.
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In B4 someone calls to arm firemen with guns.
That being said, WTF is up with all the shootings this year?? Did everyone decide to go off the deep end this year??
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In B4 someone calls to arm firemen with guns.
That being said, WTF is up with all the shootings this year?? Did everyone decide to go off the deep end this year??
Paranoia meets fearmongering meets mental illness meets ... lots of stuff.
I'm guessing.
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Why was he released from prison so early after murdering his grandmother? That's ridiculous.
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Why was he released from prison so early after murdering his grandmother? That's ridiculous.
He served 17 years and it was only a manslaughter conviction.
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For beating her to death with a hammer? Something doesn't add up.
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For beating her to death with a hammer? Something doesn't add up.
I haven't looked into it, admittedly, but it might've been a plea bargain.
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Holy balls, Lake Road?
I'll have to get out my local ghetto atlas. I didn't think that was part of it, but yeah, Rochester isn't the greatest area.
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For beating her to death with a hammer? Something doesn't add up.
I haven't looked into it, admittedly, but it might've been a plea bargain.
Fuck that, he should have gotten the syringe.
A hammer is NOT a quick and clean way to die.
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For beating her to death with a hammer? Something doesn't add up.
I haven't looked into it, admittedly, but it might've been a plea bargain.
Fuck that, he should have gotten the syringe.
A hammer is NOT a quick and clean way to die.
Hm, it was a plea bargain (he was charged with murder but pled guilty to first-degree manslaughter). Parole was after 17 years, ended 8 years later (so 25-year sentence, the maximum for that felony). If it was in New York, they have the death penalty on the books but haven't used it since 1976 (and the statute has been declared unconstitutional, not sure when though).
§ 125.20 Manslaughter in the first degree.
A person is guilty of manslaughter in the first degree when:
1. With intent to cause serious physical injury to another person, he causes the death of such person or of a third person; or
2. With intent to cause the death of another person, he causes the death of such person or of a third person under circumstances which do not constitute murder because he acts under the influence of extreme emotional disturbance, as defined in paragraph (a) of subdivision one of section 125.25. The fact that homicide was committed under the influence of extreme emotional disturbance constitutes a mitigating circumstance reducing murder to manslaughter in the first degree and need not be proved in any prosecution initiated under this subdivision; or
3. He commits upon a female pregnant for more than twenty-four weeks an abortional act which causes her death, unless such abortional act is justifiable pursuant to subdivision three of section 125.05; or
4. Being eighteen years old or more and with intent to cause physical injury to a person less than eleven years old, the defendant recklessly engages in conduct which creates a grave risk of serious physical injury to such person and thereby causes the death of such person.
Manslaughter in the first degree is a class B felony.
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For a class B felony, the term must be at least five years and must not exceed twenty-five years...
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"whats wrong with people"
Simple, we enjoy killing things.
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WTF! Yep humans are getting more stupid...
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Holy balls, Lake Road?
I'll have to get out my local ghetto atlas. I didn't think that was part of it, but yeah, Rochester isn't the greatest area.
Woah woah woah back up I live the Greater Rochester area
He was in Webster which is a rather nice suburb (his house was lake side) Also our crime rate is fine now used to be bad but we cracked down.
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I've always equated Chavs with Wannabe Gangsters (I know their not the exact same, but they seemed similar enough). Lazy, shiftless asshole children of middle class parents who try to emulate or do things to seem 'cool' when it just reinforces their assholishness.
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I've always equated Chavs with Wannabe Gangsters (I know their not the exact same, but they seemed similar enough). Lazy, shiftless asshole children of middle class parents who try to emulate or do things to seem 'cool' when it just reinforces their assholishness.
It's weird that several people here associate the word "chav" with the middle class, because most people in the UK tend to think of chavs as being typically working class and/or from council estates.
That said, there are different types of chav and chavness does cross the class divide.
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Holy balls, Lake Road?
I'll have to get out my local ghetto atlas. I didn't think that was part of it, but yeah, Rochester isn't the greatest area.
Woah woah woah back up I live the Greater Rochester area
He was in Webster which is a rather nice suburb (his house was lake side) Also our crime rate is fine now used to be bad but we cracked down.
Some parts are better than others, we still have a rather impressive violent crime rate. But yeah, this really does seem to be an isolated incident in webster, it's the city proper that's more of a concern.
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Still though we've gotten better and wait you live in Monroe county?
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Yeah, outside fairport.
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It's nice to know that there's quite a few NYers on here...Dutchess County here.
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Just saw AJE report that he left a seriously twisted suicide note. The one bit investigators were willing to divulge is that he said he wanted to "get back to what I do best...killing people"
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Ulster county here.
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Hmm wanna meet maybe I dunno But yeah Rochester is a lot better now then it was.
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Just saw AJE report that he left a seriously twisted suicide note. The one bit investigators were willing to divulge is that he said he wanted to "get back to what I do best...killing people"
The man never should've been released from prison.
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http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/two-firefighters-shot-killed-while-responding-webster-n-163105823.html
Okay, what in sweet fuck? What type of person would shoot a firefighter for no good reason?
Someone with a mental disorder who has access to guns. Hmmm. Now I wonder where you would find those two conditions most?
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Someone with a mental disorder who has access to guns. Hmmm. Now I wonder where you would find those two conditions most?
New York?
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Someone with a mental disorder who has access to guns. Hmmm. Now I wonder where you would find those two conditions most?
New York?
Somalia?
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Someone with a mental disorder who has access to guns. Hmmm. Now I wonder where you would find those two conditions most?
New York?
Somalia?
Detroit?
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Heard about this from my boss the day it happened. That is insane. It really scares me how messed up that is.
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And now they have discovered another body in the house.
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/25/16125861-human-remains-found-at-home-of-gunman-who-ambushed-firefighters?lite
They suspect that it might be his sister.
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Someone with a mental disorder who has access to guns. Hmmm. Now I wonder where you would find those two conditions most?
New York?
Somalia?
I'm glad you think you're in such exhalted company as a third world failed state stiff with UN peacekeepers beause the rule of law has failed.
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Wyvern, STFU.
And now they have discovered another body in the house.
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/25/16125861-human-remains-found-at-home-of-gunman-who-ambushed-firefighters?lite
They suspect that it might be his sister.
Great. And here is where I despise plea bargains.
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Wyvern, STFU.
And now they have discovered another body in the house.
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/25/16125861-human-remains-found-at-home-of-gunman-who-ambushed-firefighters?lite
They suspect that it might be his sister.
Great. And here is where I despise plea bargains.
Well, plea bargaining keeps the court system from getting clogged, and there's also the 6th Amendment. They're a necessary evil.
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Someone with a mental disorder who has access to guns. Hmmm. Now I wonder where you would find those two conditions most?
New York?
Somalia?
I'm glad you think you're in such exhalted company as a third world failed state stiff with UN peacekeepers beause the rule of law has failed.
Art lives in Australia.
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In Art's defense, Everything There Tries To Kill You.
And I had a rather interesting discussion with my co-workers today about this topic. The general consensus is that Obama's looking to bring back the assault weapons ban, and toughen it up. A few of them are concerned with regards to a slippery slope, but they relaxed a little when I pointed out that the ban's been enacted before, and there wasn't any subsequent ban on, say, pistols.
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Here in the UK random, unprovoked attacks on the emergency services (particularly the fire brigade for some reason) are extremely common...common enough that we've had government ad campaigns about it in the past. So whilst I'm not aware of any fatal attacks in the UK it saddens me to say that this story in no way suprises me.
And to answer your question about who the fuck does this sort of thing, I have one word to say:
Chavs.
<Edit> Or whatever the American equivalent is.
Rednecks, maybe?
With people like that, you have to wonder if the only things passing for thoughts that crossed their single dying neuron at the time was "hey, dose guyz dress funny!"
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Wyvern, STFU.
And now they have discovered another body in the house.
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/25/16125861-human-remains-found-at-home-of-gunman-who-ambushed-firefighters?lite
They suspect that it might be his sister.
Great. And here is where I despise plea bargains.
Well, plea bargaining keeps the court system from getting clogged, and there's also the 6th Amendment. They're a necessary evil.
Since when does that mean that I can't despise them? I'd like t' know.
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Wyvern, STFU.
And now they have discovered another body in the house.
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/25/16125861-human-remains-found-at-home-of-gunman-who-ambushed-firefighters?lite
They suspect that it might be his sister.
Great. And here is where I despise plea bargains.
Well, plea bargaining keeps the court system from getting clogged, and there's also the 6th Amendment. They're a necessary evil.
Since when does that mean that I can't despise them? I'd like t' know.
Of course you can despise them. I don't like them myself, but as I said, they are a necessary evil--without them, the courts would be significantly more clogged.
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Wyvern, STFU.
And now they have discovered another body in the house.
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/25/16125861-human-remains-found-at-home-of-gunman-who-ambushed-firefighters?lite
They suspect that it might be his sister.
Great. And here is where I despise plea bargains.
Well, plea bargaining keeps the court system from getting clogged, and there's also the 6th Amendment. They're a necessary evil.
Since when does that mean that I can't despise them? I'd like t' know.
Of course you can despise them. I don't like them myself, but as I said, they are a necessary evil--without them, the courts would be significantly more clogged.
1) It wasn't necessary to point it out when all I was doing was saying I hate them.
2) I will continue to despise plea bargains because they make my future job a lot harder. And cause people to be mad at people like me but I can't change the system yet I will continue to be blamed for it.
At any rate, I hope the firefighters who lived get to go home soon, if they haven't been sent back already.
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I'm glad you think you're in such exhalted company as a third world failed state stiff with UN peacekeepers beause the rule of law has failed.
Please stop making snarky remarks about the status of a place I drive by on a regular basis. Some of us live there.
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So as Distind can vouch the whole county is in mourning. Also in addition to the two wounded firefighters there was a cop who got shot who was driving to work. There was one good thing though the homes in that area are mostly vacation houses so they have a place to go
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So as Distind can vouch the whole county is in mourning. Also in addition to the two wounded firefighters there was a cop who got shot who was driving to work. There was one good thing though the homes in that area are mostly vacation houses so they have a place to go
Course there was.
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Just to mention it, drove past the station these guys were from yesterday. They've got their pictures up on the announcement board as a memorial to go along with the flags at half across most of the county.
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Here in the UK random, unprovoked attacks on the emergency services (particularly the fire brigade for some reason) are extremely common...common enough that we've had government ad campaigns about it in the past. So whilst I'm not aware of any fatal attacks in the UK it saddens me to say that this story in no way suprises me.
And to answer your question about who the fuck does this sort of thing, I have one word to say:
Chavs.
<Edit> Or whatever the American equivalent is.
Rednecks, maybe?
.... I just call them punks and shit-stains
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Saw the article. The shooter was a crazy older guy & he apparently murdered his sister, too! Here's what apparently went down.....
This is a suicidal psychopath who likes to kill for funzies.
He lived with his sister, whom he apparently couldn't stand.
He killed said sister, then set the house on fire, the fire wasn't just a trap, it apparently was to destroy evidence, including the body, hence the shooting of firefighters.
He then killed himself, the police found the sister's remains later.
He left a suicide note that said that he hated the world and that killing was what he did best.
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Saw the article. The shooter was a crazy older guy & he apparently murdered his sister, too! Here's what apparently went down.....
This is a suicidal psychopath who likes to kill for funzies.
He lived with his sister, whom he apparently couldn't stand.
He killed said sister, then set the house on fire, the fire wasn't just a trap, it apparently was to destroy evidence, including the body, hence the shooting of firefighters.
He then killed himself, the police found the sister's remains later.
He left a suicide note that said that he hated the world and that killing was what he did best.
Thank you, Captain Obvious, for information the rest of us already knew weeks ago.