let's regroup all the shootings stories in this here tidy thread.
How about we just make it a catch-all mass-murder thread?
How about we just make it a catch-all mass-murder thread?
Because mass shootings are notoriously common and notoriously American thanks to our arms industry and the gun culture it cultivates.
How about we just make it a catch-all mass-murder thread?
Because mass shootings are notoriously common and notoriously American thanks to our arms industry and the gun culture it cultivates.
Except they're not the only forms of mass-murder and not even that common.
How about we just make it a catch-all mass-murder thread?
Because mass shootings are notoriously common and notoriously American thanks to our arms industry and the gun culture it cultivates.
Except they're not the only forms of mass-murder and not even that common.
that's why i called it "shootings and killings". freaks with machetes can go here too.
Two teenage brothers are in police custody on suspicion that they killed their parents and three siblings, ranging in ages from 5 to 12 years old, in their Oklahoma home Wednesday night, police said.
A 13-year-old was also wounded and a 2-year-old was found unharmed after police in Broken Arrow responded to a wordless 911 call Wednesday night and discovered the bodies, Broken Arrow Police Cpl. Leon Calhoun said.
The teen suspects, aged 18 and 16, allegedly ran out the back door when officers arrived at the scene in the Tulsa suburb and were taken into custody in a wooded area, police said.
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The arriving officers heard moaning from behind the front door of the home, they forced their way inside and found the injured 13-year-old, who apparently made the 911 call, and pulled her to safety, Calhoun said.
"It was a pretty gruesome scene and unprecedented in terms of the types of crimes we get in Broken Arrow," Broken Arrow Police Sgt. Thomas Cooper told NBC News.
Police identified the 18-year-old suspect as Robert Bever but did not identify the 16-year-old. Detectives believe "several types of weapons were used," Calhoun said, including a small hatchet and knives.
The two adults slain were identified by police as David Bever, 52, and April Bever, 44. The names of the other victims were not released. Calhoun said the dead children were tentatively identified as a 5-year-old female, a 7-year-old male, and a 12-year-old male.
The 13-year-old who was wounded underwent surgery Thursday and is serious but stable condition, Calhoun said. The 2-year-old who was found unharmed was placed into state custody, he said.
How about we just make it a catch-all mass-murder thread?
Because mass shootings are notoriously common and notoriously American thanks to our arms industry and the gun culture it cultivates.
Except they're not the only forms of mass-murder and not even that common.
that's why i called it "shootings and killings". freaks with machetes can go here too.
Okie-dokie, then.
Five Found Dead in Broken Arrow, Oklahoma; Two Teen Relatives Detained (http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/five-dead-broken-arrow-oklahoma-two-teens-detained-n396961)QuoteTwo teenage brothers are in police custody on suspicion that they killed their parents and three siblings, ranging in ages from 5 to 12 years old, in their Oklahoma home Wednesday night, police said.
A 13-year-old was also wounded and a 2-year-old was found unharmed after police in Broken Arrow responded to a wordless 911 call Wednesday night and discovered the bodies, Broken Arrow Police Cpl. Leon Calhoun said.
The teen suspects, aged 18 and 16, allegedly ran out the back door when officers arrived at the scene in the Tulsa suburb and were taken into custody in a wooded area, police said.
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The arriving officers heard moaning from behind the front door of the home, they forced their way inside and found the injured 13-year-old, who apparently made the 911 call, and pulled her to safety, Calhoun said.
"It was a pretty gruesome scene and unprecedented in terms of the types of crimes we get in Broken Arrow," Broken Arrow Police Sgt. Thomas Cooper told NBC News.
Police identified the 18-year-old suspect as Robert Bever but did not identify the 16-year-old. Detectives believe "several types of weapons were used," Calhoun said, including a small hatchet and knives.
The two adults slain were identified by police as David Bever, 52, and April Bever, 44. The names of the other victims were not released. Calhoun said the dead children were tentatively identified as a 5-year-old female, a 7-year-old male, and a 12-year-old male.
The 13-year-old who was wounded underwent surgery Thursday and is serious but stable condition, Calhoun said. The 2-year-old who was found unharmed was placed into state custody, he said.
admit it. you were waiting to spring this piece of bad news on me, weren't you?
admit it. you were waiting to spring this piece of bad news on me, weren't you?
I fully admit that waiting was had, however I was waiting confirmation as to whether or not this was going to be limited to mass-shootings or not. If not, I was gonna put it in its own thread. I just found it this morning and it sickens me.
admit it. you were waiting to spring this piece of bad news on me, weren't you?
I fully admit that waiting was had, however I was waiting confirmation as to whether or not this was going to be limited to mass-shootings or not. If not, I was gonna put it in its own thread. I just found it this morning and it sickens me.
you and me both. what kind of sick reasons are necessary for two teens to do this?
admit it. you were waiting to spring this piece of bad news on me, weren't you?
I fully admit that waiting was had, however I was waiting confirmation as to whether or not this was going to be limited to mass-shootings or not. If not, I was gonna put it in its own thread. I just found it this morning and it sickens me.
you and me both. what kind of sick reasons are necessary for two teens to do this?
I wish I didn't have to say this, but there doesn't always need to be a reason. Don't forget, those teenage murderers who killed the Australian exchange student living here in Oklahoma simply did it "because they were bored."
I wish it wasn't true, but evil people exist.
admit it. you were waiting to spring this piece of bad news on me, weren't you?
I fully admit that waiting was had, however I was waiting confirmation as to whether or not this was going to be limited to mass-shootings or not. If not, I was gonna put it in its own thread. I just found it this morning and it sickens me.
you and me both. what kind of sick reasons are necessary for two teens to do this?
I wish I didn't have to say this, but there doesn't always need to be a reason. Don't forget, those teenage murderers who killed the Australian exchange student living here in Oklahoma simply did it "because they were bored."
I wish it wasn't true, but evil people exist.
Usually there's something up with the family for these brats to target them. Maybe they were evil kids who got grounded for doing something stupid and then decided to kill their family so they didn't have to be "ordered around anymore". Brats!
admit it. you were waiting to spring this piece of bad news on me, weren't you?
I fully admit that waiting was had, however I was waiting confirmation as to whether or not this was going to be limited to mass-shootings or not. If not, I was gonna put it in its own thread. I just found it this morning and it sickens me.
you and me both. what kind of sick reasons are necessary for two teens to do this?
I wish I didn't have to say this, but there doesn't always need to be a reason. Don't forget, those teenage murderers who killed the Australian exchange student living here in Oklahoma simply did it "because they were bored."
I wish it wasn't true, but evil people exist.
Usually there's something up with the family for these brats to target them. Maybe they were evil kids who got grounded for doing something stupid and then decided to kill their family so they didn't have to be "ordered around anymore". Brats!
a brat smashes a teapot in a tantrum. a kid who frags their parents is a murderer, regardless of situations (even in the case that the parents deserve it).
Barb, you understand that NRA does not necessarily equal teabagger and vice versa, right?
But by all means, keep painting with that broad-as-fuck brush.
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Barb, you understand that NRA does not necessarily equal teabagger and vice versa, right?
But by all means, keep painting with that broad-as-fuck brush.
The NRA entirely deserves that association and so much worse. This is the organization that wants convicted domestic abusers to be able to buy firearms.
They're a front for the arms industry. Whatever boosts firearm sales is what the NRA is for; if public safety has to be compromised for increased profits then so much the better.
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As for this particular story, this guy seems to have been a total nut bag. I just saw a report that he actually filmed the murder, posted it on Facebook, tweeted about it, then capped himself. Who the fuck does shit like that?
Seriously? Thats like bad fanfic Gary-Stu bullshit. Just...wow.
Guess who is staying classy? Gawker.(click to show/hide)
And of course there are also claims about this being a false flag attack in order to take away the guns from Americans... "They must be in hurry since there was a highly publicized shooting just a while ago."
And some of the "Muh 2nd amendment" folks are glad that the shooter was black because "this means that media will shut up about the 'dindu' killing some white folks but if the shooter had been white and victims black they would have made a huge spectacle about this."
[Judge Carlos A.] Samour [Jr.] had no option but to give Holmes life without parole, rather than the death penalty, after a split jury decided the term earlier this month. Prosecutors have said 11 jurors favoured death and one voted for life without parole. Under Colorado law, jurors must be unanimous to impose the death penalty.
Samour contrasted Holmes's bloody assault with the compassion of the lone juror who voted for a life sentence. He also noted the trial was fair, even if some victims were disappointed that Holmes wasn't sentenced to die.
"I believe in the system," Samour said. "I said that before, and I'll say it again. I believe in the system."
The judge said prison is harsh and restrictive, and he disputed some victims' suggestion that Holmes would have an easy life behind bars.
"It is the court's intention that the defendant never set foot in free society again," Samour said. "If there was ever a case that warranted the maximum sentences, this is the case,"
And now there's been a shooting in a French Romani camp:
http://www.romea.cz/en/news/world/france-fatal-shooting-at-romani-camp-six-month-old-among-the-dead (http://www.romea.cz/en/news/world/france-fatal-shooting-at-romani-camp-six-month-old-among-the-dead)
And now there's been a shooting in a French Romani camp:
http://www.romea.cz/en/news/world/france-fatal-shooting-at-romani-camp-six-month-old-among-the-dead (http://www.romea.cz/en/news/world/france-fatal-shooting-at-romani-camp-six-month-old-among-the-dead)
*GAH*! Everybody's shooting everybody, these days!
And now there's been a shooting in a French Romani camp:
http://www.romea.cz/en/news/world/france-fatal-shooting-at-romani-camp-six-month-old-among-the-dead (http://www.romea.cz/en/news/world/france-fatal-shooting-at-romani-camp-six-month-old-among-the-dead)
*GAH*! Everybody's shooting everybody, these days!
Yes, but three of the casualties are Roma, so nobody will care.
(not endorsing it. just saying it because everybody hates the romani in france.)
re: death penalty. forget life in prison. go for bloodsport. with no chance of escape. publicize the lengthy tortures and executions as pay-per-view. make a profit off of scumbags. and make that profit go to the families of the victims.
shame and bodily harm are good motivators for trying to evade capture, but we live in an age where reality tv exists. go the whole 9 yards. besides, i'd love to see unreal tournament irl.
i went full-niam there, didn't i?
No no... it's sociopathic and downright gleefully psychotic... but damn if I wouldn't watch that anyway, Guizonde. Wanna free up the prison space? domestic abusers and murderers and lifers against each other. Problem fucking solved. PPV that shit and there'd be a whole lot of cashflow all of a sudden.
... arguably, I'm thinking less 'The Condemned', more Jason Statham 'Death Race'.
And now there's been a shooting in a French Romani camp:
http://www.romea.cz/en/news/world/france-fatal-shooting-at-romani-camp-six-month-old-among-the-dead (http://www.romea.cz/en/news/world/france-fatal-shooting-at-romani-camp-six-month-old-among-the-dead)
*GAH*! Everybody's shooting everybody, these days!
Yes, but three of the casualties are Roma, so nobody will care.
wrong. a good deal will care, and think:
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(not endorsing it. just saying it because everybody hates the romani in france.)
re: death penalty. forget life in prison. go for bloodsport. with no chance of escape. publicize the lengthy tortures and executions as pay-per-view. make a profit off of scumbags. and make that profit go to the families of the victims.
shame and bodily harm are good motivators for trying to evade capture, but we live in an age where reality tv exists. go the whole 9 yards. besides, i'd love to see unreal tournament irl.
i went full-niam there, didn't i?
And now there's been a shooting in a French Romani camp:
http://www.romea.cz/en/news/world/france-fatal-shooting-at-romani-camp-six-month-old-among-the-dead (http://www.romea.cz/en/news/world/france-fatal-shooting-at-romani-camp-six-month-old-among-the-dead)
*GAH*! Everybody's shooting everybody, these days!
Yes, but three of the casualties are Roma, so nobody will care.
wrong. a good deal will care, and think:
(http://www.asicentral.com/images/blogs/grumpy-good.jpg)
(not endorsing it. just saying it because everybody hates the romani in france.)
re: death penalty. forget life in prison. go for bloodsport. with no chance of escape. publicize the lengthy tortures and executions as pay-per-view. make a profit off of scumbags. and make that profit go to the families of the victims.
shame and bodily harm are good motivators for trying to evade capture, but we live in an age where reality tv exists. go the whole 9 yards. besides, i'd love to see unreal tournament irl.
i went full-niam there, didn't i?
I was amusingly enough thinking the very same thing - let the serial killers and murderers fight each other, and amuse us. Dylan Roof vs. Dzhokhar Tsarnaev.
I'd watch every second of it.
I think we should ship them off to a secret NGO to test the affects of various supernatural anomalies.re: death penalty. forget life in prison. go for bloodsport. with no chance of escape. publicize the lengthy tortures and executions as pay-per-view. make a profit off of scumbags. and make that profit go to the families of the victims.And now there's been a shooting in a French Romani camp:
http://www.romea.cz/en/news/world/france-fatal-shooting-at-romani-camp-six-month-old-among-the-dead (http://www.romea.cz/en/news/world/france-fatal-shooting-at-romani-camp-six-month-old-among-the-dead)
*GAH*! Everybody's shooting everybody, these days!
shame and bodily harm are good motivators for trying to evade capture, but we live in an age where reality tv exists. go the whole 9 yards. besides, i'd love to see unreal tournament irl.
i went full-niam there, didn't i?
I think we should ship them off to a secret NGO to test the affects of various supernatural anomalies.
Perhaps the police in USA should stop using the Keystone cops and Punisher as their role models.
The current model for cops is more or less "here, random psychopath from the street, have a badge! You were good enough at following orders in the academy, now get out and shoot people."
Or latino or native... or just poor.The current model for cops is more or less "here, random psychopath from the street, have a badge! You were good enough at following orders in the academy, now get out and shoot people."
So long as they're either black or mentally ill.
http://news.yahoo.com/police-girl-9-dead-3-hurt-north-carolina-041702989.html (http://news.yahoo.com/police-girl-9-dead-3-hurt-north-carolina-041702989.html)
Christ, this is tragic.
"It's a sad state of affairs in the city and our country when a 7-year-old boy can't be free to celebrate a birthday party without being murdered," Estes said at a news conference Sunday.
Yeah. The media are ice cold money whores when it comes to violent incidents. It's getting the kind of highlighting that a major political assassination would. This is indeed part of why we keep seeing all these mass murders.
Yeah. The media are ice cold money whores when it comes to violent incidents. It's getting the kind of highlighting that a major political assassination would. This is indeed part of why we keep seeing all these mass murders.
Yeah. The media are ice cold money whores when it comes to violent incidents. It's getting the kind of highlighting that a major political assassination would. This is indeed part of why we keep seeing all these mass murders.
This is what I've been thinking for a while. The constant media attention is exacerbating the problem.
I have to wonder what would happen if news organizations started having minimal coverage. Would it stop the seeming flow of copycats? Notice how this didn't happen, at least with any frequency, until fairly recently. Is it fueled by recent trends in news and social media?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Availability_heuristicYeah. The media are ice cold money whores when it comes to violent incidents. It's getting the kind of highlighting that a major political assassination would. This is indeed part of why we keep seeing all these mass murders.
This is what I've been thinking for a while. The constant media attention is exacerbating the problem.
I have to wonder what would happen if news organizations started having minimal coverage. Would it stop the seeming flow of copycats? Notice how this didn't happen, at least with any frequency, until fairly recently. Is it fueled by recent trends in news and social media?
Either way, who wants to bet this fucknugget was your typical "angry male" somehow?? It seems to be the norm anymore these days/
I never said every angry male goes on a shooting spree, but it's still a common theme in US shootings, for whatever retarded reason.
Also there seems to be stuff going around that the fucknugget asked people's religion before he shot them (http://www.nytimes.com/live/shooting-at-umpqua-community-college/witness-shooter-asked-about-religion/). We, non believers were due for another retarded witch hunt.
I never said every angry male goes on a shooting spree, but it's still a common theme in US shootings, for whatever retarded reason.
Also there seems to be stuff going around that the fucknugget asked people's religion before he shot them (http://www.nytimes.com/live/shooting-at-umpqua-community-college/witness-shooter-asked-about-religion/). We, non believers were due for another retarded witch hunt.
Oh, just great. I remember quite well how the fundie vultures spread that story around about how the Columbine shooters killed people for believing in God. And they're just going to do it again.
The shooter was bald and wore glasses, so let's first go after all bald guys with seeing problems instead of figuring out the real problem. Is it another case of someone with psychological problems? Was the person even legally allowed to have the gun, or is it like the church shooting, where the gun laws weren't even enforced.
It seems like in nearly every one of these cases, the shooter has mental problems and should never have even owned a gun. But in this case, I'd rather know all the facts first.
Posts on an online blog that appears to belong to Mercer reference multiple shootings, including one in Virginia in August that left a television news reporter and cameraman dead. The last upload on the blog was Wednesday. when a documentary about the Newtown shooting was posted.
In one post on the blog about Vester Flanagan, the man who killed the reporter and cameraman in Virginia, Mercer apparently wrote, "I have noticed that so many people like [Flanagan] are alone and unknown, yet when they spill a little blood, the whole world knows who they are. A man who was known by no one, is now known by everyone. His face splashed across every screen, his name across the lips of every person on the planet, all in the course of one day. Seems like the more people you kill, the more you're in the limelight."
You know... I went to UCC. Year and a half, before I burned out. I fucking HATED a couple of the teachers with tenure, because they just didn't want to fucking teach, but this?
... I looked up the victim list. Lawrence Levine, the assistant professor? He was one of mine. I was pretty good friends with the man, and he encouraged me to just do what I could in class, and ease off on the stuff that wasn't quite working out.
If this fucker that did the shooting wasn't dead, I'd be obliged to come back to Oregon just to kill him myself.
If you'll all excuse me, I need to go excise some rage and grief now.
You know... I went to UCC. Year and a half, before I burned out. I fucking HATED a couple of the teachers with tenure, because they just didn't want to fucking teach, but this?
... I looked up the victim list. Lawrence Levine, the assistant professor? He was one of mine. I was pretty good friends with the man, and he encouraged me to just do what I could in class, and ease off on the stuff that wasn't quite working out.
If this fucker that did the shooting wasn't dead, I'd be obliged to come back to Oregon just to kill him myself.
If you'll all excuse me, I need to go excise some rage and grief now.
I never said every angry male goes on a shooting spree, but it's still a common theme in US shootings, for whatever retarded reason.
Also there seems to be stuff going around that the fucknugget asked people's religion before he shot them (http://www.nytimes.com/live/shooting-at-umpqua-community-college/witness-shooter-asked-about-religion/). We, non believers were due for another retarded witch hunt.
Oh, just great. I remember quite well how the fundie vultures spread that story around about how the Columbine shooters killed people for believing in God. And they're just going to do it again.
Let's not outright dismiss these stories unless and until we have evidence they're false. I'm skeptical too, but I don't think we know yet.
I never said every angry male goes on a shooting spree, but it's still a common theme in US shootings, for whatever retarded reason.
Also there seems to be stuff going around that the fucknugget asked people's religion before he shot them (http://www.nytimes.com/live/shooting-at-umpqua-community-college/witness-shooter-asked-about-religion/). We, non believers were due for another retarded witch hunt.
Oh, just great. I remember quite well how the fundie vultures spread that story around about how the Columbine shooters killed people for believing in God. And they're just going to do it again.
Let's not outright dismiss these stories unless and until we have evidence they're false. I'm skeptical too, but I don't think we know yet.
What actually happened, according to witness statements, was that the shooters found one girl praying, asked her if she believed in God, she said yes, they laughed at her, and she managed to crawl away while they were reloading. At some point later, a different girl was praying, and one of the shooters shot her without asking her anything.
The separate incidents were conflated into one account of how the shooters asked a girl if she believed in God, then shot her after she said yes.
Afterward, I was commonly told by fundies that the Columbine shooters had been going up to students, asking all of them if they believed in God, and shooting everyone who said yes.
It's not hard to see how this happened. Fundies love stories about persecution and martyrdom, and failed to check this one because of how much it validated their belief system.
....shooters? We're talking about Columbine and not the most recent one? Cause that one only had the one shooter.
....shooters? We're talking about Columbine and not the most recent one? Cause that one only had the one shooter.
Yeah, my apologies. I thought UP was referring to Columbine.
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Queen, guizonde lived in and went to university in Virginia for over 10 years. Also, just posting a copy of something he did not make himself, but found on the net, does not necessarily mean he utterly agrees with all of it's implications. The meme is very cynical and flawed, but it does express it's creator's point of view, and that of a lot of people. Which is part of the problem with the lack of meaningful gun control in the US; the cynicism that anything can ever be done about it. I think you will be surprised to see how sorry guizonde will be to read that posting this meme made you think less of him.
I realize we are not all equally complicit in this indifference; there's a spectrum of culpability. I don't even bother to hold the NRA or the politicians they own accountable for the deaths they allow, any more than I blame deer ticks or herpes for doing their jobs. Gun lobbyists are just engines of greed, businesslike and efficient as HIV.
that article was really à propos, askold, thanks for sharing. and i agree with it totally. even if it's diogenus levels of cynical.
also, this is a hell of a put-down.Quote from: tim kreiderI realize we are not all equally complicit in this indifference; there's a spectrum of culpability. I don't even bother to hold the NRA or the politicians they own accountable for the deaths they allow, any more than I blame deer ticks or herpes for doing their jobs. Gun lobbyists are just engines of greed, businesslike and efficient as HIV.
I had a co-worker who insists that he wanted to kill Christians. This co-worker also believes World War III is going to be caused by ISIS invading the US.... within the next few years.
Chalk this up as another idiotic theory of his.
I had a co-worker who insists that he wanted to kill Christians. This co-worker also believes World War III is going to be caused by ISIS invading the US.... within the next few years.
Chalk this up as another idiotic theory of his.
Conspiracy theorists are already shouting, "False flag!" and such claiming Obama is trying whatever he can to repeal the 2nd Amendment.
I had a co-worker who insists that he wanted to kill Christians. This co-worker also believes World War III is going to be caused by ISIS invading the US.... within the next few years.
Chalk this up as another idiotic theory of his.
Conspiracy theorists are already shouting, "False flag!" and such claiming Obama is trying whatever he can to repeal the 2nd Amendment.
So, it's Tuesday.
I've seen some stupid CT crisis actor shit regarding the shooting like the day it happened, always fun.
I had a co-worker who insists that he wanted to kill Christians. This co-worker also believes World War III is going to be caused by ISIS invading the US.... within the next few years.
Chalk this up as another idiotic theory of his.
NORTH CHARLESTON, S.C. (AP) — A city in South Carolina approved a $6.5 million settlement Thursday with the family of an unarmed black man shot to death earlier this year by a white police officer.
The North Charleston City Council approved the settlement by a 10-0 vote, and members of Walter Scott's family were on hand when it was announced.
The council had met several times in the past few months to receive advice from city attorney Brady Hair on a potential lawsuit from Scott's family.
Scott, 50, was shot April 4 by North Charleston officer Michael Slager while trying to run from a traffic stop. A bystander recorded the shooting with a cellphone.
WHOO! 351!
Ironbite-NUMBER ONE IN MASS SHOOTINGS!
According to Yahoo news, they found the umpqua shooter's manifesto. Rather than self aggrandizement, it was something that singlehandedly ruined my good mood.
He felt he was hated and unwanted from birth, and the only place he would ever belong would be in hell itself.
Police believe that 28-year-old Syed Rizwan Farook, an inspector with the department, left the party following a dispute and returned with his partner, 27-year-old Tashfeen Malik, to carry out the shooting.
Earlier I heard that ISIS wasn't claiming responsibility but they were dancing with glee A few minutes ago I read their names and they were all middle eastern in origin, so get ready to be hearing a lot about that.
Unlike the San Bernardino killers, pseudocommandos often do not define their killings in ideological or political terms. In many cases, workplace killers and school shooters who “go postal” kill people whom they simply felt wronged them. It’s hard to call that terrorism.
On the other end of the spectrum, terrorist organizations such as the Islamic State have explicit political justifications for their atrocities, but the assailants often have little — if any — personal connection to their targets. They commonly choose crowded areas simply because that’s where the people are, though there also may be some symbolic importance.
I wonder how long it's going to take for some right wing fucknugget to fire bomb a mosque over this, I already hearing "ALL MUSLIMS ARE EVILZ" over it.
http://warisboring.com/articles/san-bernardino-killers-were-rare-hybrid-terrorists/Ok, the latter quote didn't work at first because I accidentally tried to turn it into an image...
Apparently the San Bernardino attack is rather confusing as it doesn't fit the definition of "regular" spree killers acts or terrorist attack and is a mix of both.QuoteUnlike the San Bernardino killers, pseudocommandos often do not define their killings in ideological or political terms. In many cases, workplace killers and school shooters who “go postal” kill people whom they simply felt wronged them. It’s hard to call that terrorism.
On the other end of the spectrum, terrorist organizations such as the Islamic State have explicit political justifications for their atrocities, but the assailants often have little — if any — personal connection to their targets. They commonly choose crowded areas simply because that’s where the people are, though there also may be some symbolic importance.
...But instead, these attackers chose targets that they knew while their attack was clearly motivated by political reasons. ...Except that there is no link found to DAESh or any other terror group so far so these terrorist seem to be merely "fanboys." Meaning that, yes they did do this attack in the name of Islam but unlike the Paris attacks this was not something that was planned by a large terrorist organization that trained and armed the attackers. These people were just a few random people who decided to act for their cause.
The closest thing to something like this was a 2014 incident:QuoteThere’s a precedent for this. In May 2014, 22-year-old college student Elliot Rodger stabbed his three roommates to death and drove around the college town of Isla Vista, California shooting at pedestrians. In his manifesto, Rodger singled out women and blamed them for his loneliness, and “beta” males — which included his roommates — for their success with relationships.
And if you think this is meaningless debate and we should just label this as Islamic terrorism and move on here is the problem:
How do we prevent something like this? Government agencies can spy on terrorists and try to find out if they are preparing an attack but if some loners or small groups with no connection to terrorists make plans like this (and there are plenty of guidebooks on the net) it is much harder to catch them.