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Title: Fan theories that you think make sense
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 12, 2014, 12:08:16 am
There are some fan theories that actually make a lot of sense.  I'll go first.

In the classic sitcom Seinfeld, Kramer wass a fucking weirdo, even by the standards of the show.  He somehow managed to be a successful ladies' man, despite the fact that he was neither attractive or charming.  He never held a job, but always seemed to have money.  And that's not even getting into his eccentricities.  The explanation: Kramer really did have a job - if you can call pot dealing a job, that is.  It appeared that he made a good profit, even though it also appeared that he smoked a considerable percentage of what he was selling.  This theory explains: why he always had lots of money (always in cash, naturally) even though he didn't have a conventional career; why he was always in a daze; why he was always hungry; why he always seemed to be horny; why he was constantly falling over things; why his social network extended far and wide - even though he was an unmotivated doofus; and why he had strange people in his apartment at all hours of the day and night.
Title: Re: Fan theories that you think make sense
Post by: R. U. Sirius on January 12, 2014, 05:49:56 am
James Bond is not a single person. Rather, the James Bond alias is the designated cover identity of whichever agent is assigned the 007 designation.

Bruce Wayne managed to live incognito after the end of "The Dark Knight Rises" by the simple fact of the location he chose. In the first movie, Falcone comments that he's "the prince of Gotham" and he'd have to go a thousand miles to find someone who didn't know his name. Since he and Selina Kyle are living in Europe, it's far more likely than it would be in America for him to pass unnoticed. Even if someone did recognize him, he could claim to simply be a lookalike.

All of Superman's powers other than his sensory abilities are actually forms of telekinesis. His heat vision is him using it to make the molecules in an object vibrate faster and faster, thus generating heat. His super-strength is simply him either striking his target with a telekinetic blow at the same time as his fist lands or, in the case of lifting objects, a more limited form that only works on things he touches. This also explains how he can safely lift objects that should collapse under their own weight-he instinctively extends a telekinetic sheath around them, so the object's weight is actually spread out rather than focused entirely on the point of contact. His invulnerability is a manifestation of a similar telekinetic shield that extends only a millimeter or two out from the surface of his skin.

The Jedi were far more influenced by the Dark Side than they realized, at least by the time the original trilogy takes place in. Obi-Wan Kenobi and Yoda trained Luke explicitly to use as an assassin against his own father, lying to him about it right up until Yoda's deathbed; if they were as pure as they claimed, they would have told him the truth from the start and encouraged his efforts to turn Vader back to the Light, rather than constantly telling him it was hopeless.
Title: Re: Fan theories that you think make sense
Post by: Art Vandelay on January 12, 2014, 07:00:25 am
In The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask, Link is actually dead and Termina a sort of purgatory. It's geography makes absolutely no sense, for one thing. It's not underground, yet found at the bottom of an insanely deep pit in the Lost Woods (not only geographically impossible, but most conveniently the return journey is also impossible). The name "Termina" is quite similar to the word "terminal", meaning "the end". The moon is not only far too small and falls far too slowly, but it's somehow gone completely unnoticed in Hyrule and other areas that the moon at one point almost crashed into the earth. The residents of Termina are almost all (physically) carbon copies of people that Link has known in Hyrule. The aptly named "Song of Healing" which, instead of medically healing the listener, soothes their troubled spirit so they may move on. Even when the listener isn't actually dead yet, e.g. Mikau. Most compelling of all, the five areas of Termina, Clock Town, Woodfall, Snowhead, Great Bay and Ikana Valley, each not only represent the five stages of grieving, (denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance, respectively), but they're also must be completed in that order. Finally, it's made very clear from the very beginning of the game, even before his first encounter with Skullkid, that Link is going somewhere, and his ending up in Termina is completely unintended. However, it's never even hinted, much less revealed where he's going. Considering it's the reason he ended up in Termina in the first place, it's rather suspect that it's outright ignored.

I have to say, it's certainly one of my favourite fan theories.
Title: Re: Fan theories that you think make sense
Post by: Katsuro on January 13, 2014, 05:19:55 am
James Bond is not a single person. Rather, the James Bond alias is the designated cover identity of whichever agent is assigned the 007 designation.

That one always made sense to me, some of the movies even make little jokes about it.  But they kind of screwed that theory in Skyfall with
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Which is bit odd, considering all the references in the film to previous James Bond movies.  Unless
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Title: Re: Fan theories that you think make sense
Post by: chitoryu12 on January 13, 2014, 07:34:06 pm
The Jedi were far more influenced by the Dark Side than they realized, at least by the time the original trilogy takes place in. Obi-Wan Kenobi and Yoda trained Luke explicitly to use as an assassin against his own father, lying to him about it right up until Yoda's deathbed; if they were as pure as they claimed, they would have told him the truth from the start and encouraged his efforts to turn Vader back to the Light, rather than constantly telling him it was hopeless.

Also, the post-film EU tends to debate a lot about how correct the Old Republic Jedi truly were in regards to their black and white view of the universe. Luke's new academy on Yavin IV is explicitly much more liberal than the old order, which was a more exclusive and cloistered group with a strict view on how the universe operated.

Kenobi and Yoda could have realized during the Clone Wars that they could no longer pretend to be the ultimate force for good in the galaxy and their old methods were flawed; sometimes, you need to do bad things to achieve good ends.
Title: Re: Fan theories that you think make sense
Post by: Witchyjoshy on January 13, 2014, 07:41:03 pm
I dunno if this is a fan theory, but the Grey Jedi (the ones who use both the dark and light sides of the force) are, in my opinion, the truest masters of the Force.  In my opinion, the reason a Jedi falls so sharply to the Dark Side is because they spend so much time repressing their very selves that they are unable to function when they lose control.

Emotion must be tempered with discipline, but Discipline must be tempered by Emotion.  That is true balance.  Not the denial of everything that makes you you.

If anything, I'd say that the Light Side of the Force causes almost as many problems as the Dark Side, except that it's subtle.  Holier-Than-Thou arrogance seems to be a common trait among Light Side Jedi, when they aren't being Incorruptibly Pure.
Title: Re: Fan theories that you think make sense
Post by: chad sexington on January 13, 2014, 07:47:32 pm
James Bond is not a single person. Rather, the James Bond alias is the designated cover identity of whichever agent is assigned the 007 designation.

This was part of the plot of the original Casino Royale, if I remember correctly.
Title: Re: Fan theories that you think make sense
Post by: chitoryu12 on January 13, 2014, 07:47:40 pm
I dunno if this is a fan theory, but the Grey Jedi (the ones who use both the dark and light sides of the force) are, in my opinion, the truest masters of the Force.  In my opinion, the reason a Jedi falls so sharply to the Dark Side is because they spend so much time repressing their very selves that they are unable to function when they lose control.

Emotion must be tempered with discipline, but Discipline must be tempered by Emotion.  That is true balance.  Not the denial of everything that makes you you.

If anything, I'd say that the Light Side of the Force causes almost as many problems as the Dark Side, except that it's subtle.  Holier-Than-Thou arrogance seems to be a common trait among Light Side Jedi, when they aren't being Incorruptibly Pure.

Basically, Light Side Jedi are highly repressed fundamentalist housewives and the Sith are angsty teenagers.

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This was part of the plot of the original Casino Royale, if I remember correctly.

If you mean the original book, no. James Bond in the novels was always the same guy.

However, the terribly campy 1960s Casino Royale film included that as a plot point because Peter Sellers was upset at it being a comedic Bond film and quit, so they introduced a ton of "James Bonds" as aliased agents to try and save face.
Title: Re: Fan theories that you think make sense
Post by: Katsuro on January 14, 2014, 01:07:44 pm
I dunno if this is a fan theory, but the Grey Jedi (the ones who use both the dark and light sides of the force) are, in my opinion, the truest masters of the Force.  In my opinion, the reason a Jedi falls so sharply to the Dark Side is because they spend so much time repressing their very selves that they are unable to function when they lose control.

Emotion must be tempered with discipline, but Discipline must be tempered by Emotion.  That is true balance.  Not the denial of everything that makes you you.

If anything, I'd say that the Light Side of the Force causes almost as many problems as the Dark Side, except that it's subtle.  Holier-Than-Thou arrogance seems to be a common trait among Light Side Jedi, when they aren't being Incorruptibly Pure.

Basically, Light Side Jedi are highly repressed fundamentalist housewives and the Sith are angsty teenagers.

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This was part of the plot of the original Casino Royale, if I remember correctly.

If you mean the original book, no. James Bond in the novels was always the same guy.

However, the terribly campy 1960s Casino Royale film included that as a plot point because Peter Sellers was upset at it being a comedic Bond film and quit, so they introduced a ton of "James Bonds" as aliased agents to try and save face.

The word "plot" is being used very loosley when used in relation the the 60's Casino Royale lol.
Title: Re: Fan theories that you think make sense
Post by: kefkaownsall on January 14, 2014, 01:59:59 pm
I have this idea that Kaoru Nagisa continually reincarnates in order to save his boyfriend
Title: Re: Fan theories that you think make sense
Post by: Random Gal on January 14, 2014, 02:14:17 pm
In The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask, Link is actually dead and Termina a sort of purgatory. It's geography makes absolutely no sense, for one thing. It's not underground, yet found at the bottom of an insanely deep pit in the Lost Woods (not only geographically impossible, but most conveniently the return journey is also impossible). The name "Termina" is quite similar to the word "terminal", meaning "the end". The moon is not only far too small and falls far too slowly, but it's somehow gone completely unnoticed in Hyrule and other areas that the moon at one point almost crashed into the earth. The residents of Termina are almost all (physically) carbon copies of people that Link has known in Hyrule. The aptly named "Song of Healing" which, instead of medically healing the listener, soothes their troubled spirit so they may move on. Even when the listener isn't actually dead yet, e.g. Mikau. Most compelling of all, the five areas of Termina, Clock Town, Woodfall, Snowhead, Great Bay and Ikana Valley, each not only represent the five stages of grieving, (denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance, respectively), but they're also must be completed in that order. Finally, it's made very clear from the very beginning of the game, even before his first encounter with Skullkid, that Link is going somewhere, and his ending up in Termina is completely unintended. However, it's never even hinted, much less revealed where he's going. Considering it's the reason he ended up in Termina in the first place, it's rather suspect that it's outright ignored.

I have to say, it's certainly one of my favourite fan theories.

The fact that he has a descendant in Twilight Princess would invalidate that particular theory. If he'd died before being old enough to have children, Twilight Princess couldn't happen.
Title: Re: Fan theories that you think make sense
Post by: ironbite on January 14, 2014, 02:52:11 pm
And then we get Wind Waker.

Ironbite-have you not seen the split Zelda timeline?  Both theories are...valid.
Title: Re: Fan theories that you think make sense
Post by: kefkaownsall on January 14, 2014, 02:53:23 pm
The official timeline is weird mostly since there are 3 timelines
Majoras mask and Twilight princess are on the same line
Title: Re: Fan theories that you think make sense
Post by: ironbite on January 14, 2014, 02:56:43 pm
Yeah...that's just weird.

(http://www.zeldadungeon.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/ZeldaTimeline3.png)

Ironbite-though actually the leading theory is that Link never got out of the Lost Woods which lead to Twilight Princess.
Title: Re: Fan theories that you think make sense
Post by: Vypernight on January 14, 2014, 03:44:16 pm
Sheppard was indoctrinated, which is why the Destroy Ending is the only ending in ME3 (unless you count the Refuse) that ends with the Reapers defeated.
Title: Re: Fan theories that you think make sense
Post by: Art Vandelay on January 14, 2014, 09:15:00 pm
Personally, I find it best just to ignore the Zelda timeline. It's quite clear that each game, especially pre-Wind Waker, was made as it's own, self-contained adventure (except in the case of actual direct sequels, like Ocarina > Majora or Wind Waker > Phantom Hourglass > Spirit Tracks) which Nintendo them had to retroactively arrange into a timeline in a way that made the most sense (or, more accurately, was least nonsensical) in order to shut the fans up. At the very least, I'd consider evidence within an individual game to carry far more weight than anything based on the official timeline.
Title: Re: Fan theories that you think make sense
Post by: Meshakhad on January 16, 2014, 08:33:07 am
Sheppard was indoctrinated, which is why the Destroy Ending is the only ending in ME3 (unless you count the Refuse) that ends with the Reapers defeated.

My theory is that Bioware got indoctrinated.
Title: Re: Fan theories that you think make sense
Post by: JohnE on January 16, 2014, 03:41:46 pm
Cracked has an article today about awesome fan theories. Too lazy to find the link right now, sorry.
Title: Re: Fan theories that you think make sense
Post by: Ghoti on January 16, 2014, 04:45:15 pm
During Jack's loyalty mission in ME2, you come across Cerberus logs that contradict Jack's memories of her escape. Shepard can point out that she didn't have the most objective view of the situation, but she doesn't show signs of a mental state that would make that likely. Another inconsistency is how the Blood Pack mercenaries act like they haven't been there very long, while Aresh says he's been trying to rebuild for about a year. It always seemed like there was something else going on that the characters missed, but I wasn't able to put my finger on it until recently. The theory is this: When the Illusive Man found out about Shepard's mission to the Teltin facility, he sent in someone to make sure the "damaged" logs played falsified reports from when Jack escaped in order to distance Teltin from the rest of Cerberus. The other falsified logs were to distract and confuse Jack and nudge Shepard towards questioning her judgement. And Aresh? Low-level Cerberus agent trained or brainwashed to put on a show. It's all a carefully crafted facade to deflect attention from "what Cerberus did here was horrible" to "there are two stories, what happened".
TL;DR version: TIM is a manipulative manipulator who manipulates.
Title: Re: Fan theories that you think make sense
Post by: TheUnknown on January 16, 2014, 05:32:53 pm
I just read a theory that Galadriel gave Gimli three strands of hair to spite Feanor, who, in the Silmarillion, asked Galadriel three times for a strand of hair but was refused because he's an asshole (according to the one who wrote the theory).
Title: Re: Fan theories that you think make sense
Post by: chitoryu12 on January 16, 2014, 08:24:20 pm
I just read a theory that Galadriel gave Gimli three strands of hair to spite Feanor, who, in the Silmarillion, asked Galadriel three times for a strand of hair but was refused because he's an asshole (according to the one who wrote the theory).

I'm not even sure if this really counts as a "fan theory." It seems like it's meant to be the obvious connection.
Title: Re: Fan theories that you think make sense
Post by: QueenofHearts on January 16, 2014, 08:57:10 pm
Personally, I find it best just to ignore the Zelda timeline. It's quite clear that each game, especially pre-Wind Waker, was made as it's own, self-contained adventure (except in the case of actual direct sequels, like Ocarina > Majora or Wind Waker > Phantom Hourglass > Spirit Tracks) which Nintendo them had to retroactively arrange into a timeline in a way that made the most sense (or, more accurately, was least nonsensical) in order to shut the fans up. At the very least, I'd consider evidence within an individual game to carry far more weight than anything based on the official timeline.

Exactly, fans were arguing amongst themselves about the "timeline" well before nintendo released their "timeline." It was done as nothing more than a handwave to shut up some annoying fans, and in my opinion has little relevance to any Zelda storyline.
Title: Re: Fan theories that you think make sense
Post by: Sigmaleph on January 16, 2014, 09:04:15 pm
I just read a theory that Galadriel gave Gimli three strands of hair to spite Feanor, who, in the Silmarillion, asked Galadriel three times for a strand of hair but was refused because he's an asshole (according to the one who wrote the theory).

I'm not even sure if this really counts as a "fan theory." It seems like it's meant to be the obvious connection.

I'm not so sure. The history of Galadriel went through so many changes, it's not clear that Tolkien had even come up with the incident with Fëanor when he wrote that scene in The Lord of the Rings (incidentally, it appears in Unfinished Tales, not the Silmarillion).

On the other hand: Fëanor did say that Galadriel's hair was the inspiration for the Silmarils. Three Silmarils, three strands of hair, three times asked... one does begin to wonder.