Miss Universe allows trans contestants

[Witchyjoshy]

^ At least there's no children involved in this beauty pageant.

[Diamandahagan]

http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/10/showbiz/miss-universe-transgender/index.html?eref=rss_topstories&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fcnn_topstories+%28RSS%3A+Top+Stories%29

The Miss Universe organization announced Tuesday it is ending its ban on transgender contestants after coming under scrutiny recently when a Canadian competitor was told she would be disqualified because she was born male.
Miss Universe officials insist the change is in spite of, not because of, legal threats from women's rights lawyer Gloria Allred made on behalf of contestant Jenna Talackova.

To be perfectly honest, I find the idea of surgically changing your gender to be really, really weird. Most of the people I've seen who've done this still look like they're part of their birth gender, making it seem like a rather ineffective procedure. With that said, I don't really care if people do it (why the hell should I?) and Jenna is one of the exceptions to the rule (picture in the link). If this controversy had never come up, I probably would not have known that she was once a guy. So, congrats to her for making it this far, sticking to her guns, and taking another step for LGBT rights and acceptance.

maybe you think most trans pople look 'really really weird' because the trans people who arent really fucking physically unlucky dont get noticed as trans by you. 

[Dantes Virgil]

Her3tik didn't say anything about thinking they looked weird -- just that the idea of surgery was weird.

[Thejebusfire]

Now can we get a plus sized woman in one of these pagents?

Pwease...?

[Radiation]

Now can we get a plus sized woman in one of these pagents?

Pwease...?

Seconding that...I would participate in that.

[ironbite]

http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/10/showbiz/miss-universe-transgender/index.html?eref=rss_topstories&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fcnn_topstories+%28RSS%3A+Top+Stories%29

The Miss Universe organization announced Tuesday it is ending its ban on transgender contestants after coming under scrutiny recently when a Canadian competitor was told she would be disqualified because she was born male.
Miss Universe officials insist the change is in spite of, not because of, legal threats from women's rights lawyer Gloria Allred made on behalf of contestant Jenna Talackova.

To be perfectly honest, I find the idea of surgically changing your gender to be really, really weird. Most of the people I've seen who've done this still look like they're part of their birth gender, making it seem like a rather ineffective procedure. With that said, I don't really care if people do it (why the hell should I?) and Jenna is one of the exceptions to the rule (picture in the link). If this controversy had never come up, I probably would not have known that she was once a guy. So, congrats to her for making it this far, sticking to her guns, and taking another step for LGBT rights and acceptance.

maybe you think most trans pople look 'really really weird' because the trans people who arent really fucking physically unlucky dont get noticed as trans by you. 

...I read that in your voice.

Ironbite-STOP DOING THAT!

[Cataclysm]

Jenna was going through hormone treatment when she was 14 sothat explains why she doesn't have much masculine features.

But it's not really what other people think of you and more of how you feel yourself.

[m52nickerson]

Good for her, and good for Miss Universe.

[Sylvana]

One thing to note though. If she has only had sexual reassignment surgery she wont have in any way done something that would make her have any kind of advantage. It would be similar to denying someone from entering the pageant because they had ovarian cancer which resulted in them being surgically removed. I can understand supporting rules that require contestants to not have undergone cosmetic surgery. However, Sexual reassignment surgery is most definitely not cosmetic surgery despite what medical insurance companies say.

[Her3tiK]

One thing to note though. If she has only had sexual reassignment surgery she wont have in any way done something that would make her have any kind of advantage. It would be similar to denying someone from entering the pageant because they had ovarian cancer which resulted in them being surgically removed. I can understand supporting rules that require contestants to not have undergone cosmetic surgery. However, Sexual reassignment surgery is most definitely not cosmetic surgery despite what medical insurance companies say.

Do you really think the people who don't want her in the contest know the difference between the two?

[Diamandahagan]

One thing to note though. If she has only had sexual reassignment surgery she wont have in any way done something that would make her have any kind of advantage. It would be similar to denying someone from entering the pageant because they had ovarian cancer which resulted in them being surgically removed. I can understand supporting rules that require contestants to not have undergone cosmetic surgery. However, Sexual reassignment surgery is most definitely not cosmetic surgery despite what medical insurance companies say.

Do you really think the people who don't want her in the contest know the difference between the two?

given your initial post im not convinced YOU know the difference.

[MrsYoungie]

Anyone objecting to trans-gender surgery being used to win a beauty pagent needs to look at all the other contestants and figure out just what about their looks they were born with!  Fake faces, fake boobs, fake butts.  So what's the big deal.
Also - just to prove I have a childish sense of humour - her name is pronounced like "Genital I covet"  really?   That's what I kept hearing.
Anyway - hooray for my fellow Canadian.  Doing what you want to do. Good on you!

Actually, beauty pageants ban contestants who have had plastic surgery. A lot of the comments are actually people saying that because she's had surgery to alter her appearance, she has an unfair advantage.

Maybe some do but according to this http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/story?id=132145&page=1  Miss Universe does not.

[Witchyjoshy]

One thing to note though. If she has only had sexual reassignment surgery she wont have in any way done something that would make her have any kind of advantage. It would be similar to denying someone from entering the pageant because they had ovarian cancer which resulted in them being surgically removed. I can understand supporting rules that require contestants to not have undergone cosmetic surgery. However, Sexual reassignment surgery is most definitely not cosmetic surgery despite what medical insurance companies say.

Do you really think the people who don't want her in the contest know the difference between the two?

given your initial post im not convinced YOU know the difference.

Given YOUR initial post, I'm not convinced that you're reading his posts fairly.  Especially since you were corrected on what he said and are still acting like he said what you said he said.

Back off.  Calm down.  Take a deep breath.

[Diamandahagan]

no, i read all their posts.

[Witchyjoshy]

no, i read all their posts.

Then did you read this part?

Her3tik didn't say anything about thinking they looked weird -- just that the idea of surgery was weird.

Because seriously, you're going on attack dog mode over someone who wasn't saying what you thought they said.