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Quote from: Auri-El on July 20, 2013, 02:33:47 pmExcept he wouldn't have been in that situation if he hadn't chased Martin down. And if I understand it right, Martin had no obligation to retreat and was perfectly within his rights to defend himself. Regardless of who threw the first punch, if it was Martin, I still think Zimmerman should have been held responsible for putting Martin in a position where he thought he had to attack Zimmerman to protect himself. I doubt Martin went out that night looking for a fight, unlike Zimmerman.It is a doubled edged sword. Martin did have the right to stand his ground, but it is reasonable to think a person who feared for their live would go to safety if he had a chance. This was brought up in the case of the women who got 20 years for firing at her husband. The prosecution brought up the fact that she passed multiply ways to escape while on her way to get her gun.
Except he wouldn't have been in that situation if he hadn't chased Martin down. And if I understand it right, Martin had no obligation to retreat and was perfectly within his rights to defend himself. Regardless of who threw the first punch, if it was Martin, I still think Zimmerman should have been held responsible for putting Martin in a position where he thought he had to attack Zimmerman to protect himself. I doubt Martin went out that night looking for a fight, unlike Zimmerman.
The problem is that by its very nature, Stand Your Ground says that you do NOT have a duty to retreat before fighting back. As long as Martin could have reasonably feared for his life, he didn't have to run at all. Suggesting that he may have been in legitimate fear of his life from the guy following him in a truck when he was alone at night (who then got out of his truck to try and continue following him) means that Stand Your Ground would have applied if they bothered to use it in Martin's case. Which they didn't.
Jurors watched television and movies, exercised at the hotel fitness center, and spent weekends being visited by family and friends.
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/07/20/new-accusations-against-zimmerman-jurors-as-sheriffs-office-admits-it-allowed-unsupervised-access/QuoteJurors watched television and movies, exercised at the hotel fitness center, and spent weekends being visited by family and friends.Wait... WHAT!??!?! How the FUCK, Florida?
Guys, this is getting creepy. Can we talk about cannibalism instead?
Here's the article on it. Haven't heard any updates.http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/07/09/19382248-prosecution-zimmerman-witness-may-have-shown-up-too-early?lite
Someone probably could, but the question is would it have any effect?
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 20, 2013, 02:39:04 amObama's speech was awesome.Quote from: KZN02 on July 20, 2013, 02:06:18 amThe right wing reaction is harsh but unsurprising.Anyways, I had a thought. Assuming Trayvon actually attacked Zimmerman, could Stand Your Ground apply for his case?Legally, yes, because he thought his life was threatened. In reality? No. He's black.Legally, no. If assuming Martin attacked Zimmerman, Martin would not have been covered as he would have been in the process of committing a felony. That is unless you could show that Zimmerman threatened Martin to the point Martin feared for his life.
Obama's speech was awesome.Quote from: KZN02 on July 20, 2013, 02:06:18 amThe right wing reaction is harsh but unsurprising.Anyways, I had a thought. Assuming Trayvon actually attacked Zimmerman, could Stand Your Ground apply for his case?Legally, yes, because he thought his life was threatened. In reality? No. He's black.
The right wing reaction is harsh but unsurprising.Anyways, I had a thought. Assuming Trayvon actually attacked Zimmerman, could Stand Your Ground apply for his case?
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Quote from: m52nickerson on July 20, 2013, 10:29:32 amQuote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 20, 2013, 02:39:04 amObama's speech was awesome.Quote from: KZN02 on July 20, 2013, 02:06:18 amThe right wing reaction is harsh but unsurprising.Anyways, I had a thought. Assuming Trayvon actually attacked Zimmerman, could Stand Your Ground apply for his case?Legally, yes, because he thought his life was threatened. In reality? No. He's black.Legally, no. If assuming Martin attacked Zimmerman, Martin would not have been covered as he would have been in the process of committing a felony. That is unless you could show that Zimmerman threatened Martin to the point Martin feared for his life. No, unless you could show that Martin felt his life was threatened, whether that threat was real or not.