The Trial of George Zimmerman

[Askold]

Obama's speech was awesome.

The right wing reaction is harsh but unsurprising.

Anyways, I had a thought. Assuming Trayvon actually attacked Zimmerman, could Stand Your Ground apply for his case?

Legally, yes, because he thought his life was threatened. In reality? No. He's black.

Legally, no.  If assuming Martin attacked Zimmerman, Martin would not have been covered as he would have been in the process of committing a felony.  That is unless you could show that Zimmerman threatened Martin to the point Martin feared for his life.

No, unless you could show that Martin felt his life was threatened, whether that threat was real or not.

Yes, you are correct.  Zimmerman would have have had to actually threatened Martin.  There was just no way for the state to show Martin feared for his life. 

Why did Zimmerman have to threaten Martin? I thought that (this court at least) said that Stand your ground is in effect if the defender BELIEVES that their life is in danger?

Zimmerman was released because the jury believed that HE believed that Martin might have killed him. Martin was stalked and cornered by an armed thug, now explain to me why Martin had to have proof that his life was in danger?

(I hate to say, is it because he was black? But the only other differences are that he was unarmed and that he is now dead.)

[kefkaownsall]

Trust me if Zimmerman was black then he would have gotten convicted

[PosthumanHeresy]

Obama's speech was awesome.

The right wing reaction is harsh but unsurprising.

Anyways, I had a thought. Assuming Trayvon actually attacked Zimmerman, could Stand Your Ground apply for his case?

Legally, yes, because he thought his life was threatened. In reality? No. He's black.

Legally, no.  If assuming Martin attacked Zimmerman, Martin would not have been covered as he would have been in the process of committing a felony.  That is unless you could show that Zimmerman threatened Martin to the point Martin feared for his life.

No, unless you could show that Martin felt his life was threatened, whether that threat was real or not.

Yes, you are correct.  Zimmerman would have have had to actually threatened Martin.  There was just no way for the state to show Martin feared for his life. 

Why did Zimmerman have to threaten Martin? I thought that (this court at least) said that Stand your ground is in effect if the defender BELIEVES that their life is in danger?

Zimmerman was released because the jury believed that HE believed that Martin might have killed him. Martin was stalked and cornered by an armed thug, now explain to me why Martin had to have proof that his life was in danger?

(I hate to say, is it because he was black? But the only other differences are that he was unarmed and that he is now dead.)

Exactly my point. All he had to do was believe he was in danger. Therefore, legally, he could have legally killed Zimmerman. However, in reality, he couldn't legally kill Zimmerman, because he's black.

[kefkaownsall]

Seeing as in the same state two black people with stronger cases then if Trayvon shot Zimmerman were told they couldn't stand their ground pretty much

[mythbuster43]

All for the love of god, not this shit.

Was Trayvon at 7-11 Buying Skittles and Fruit Juice to Make a Drug?

It's the Gateway Pundit, so that kind of stupidity is not unexpected. Charles Johnson of Little Green Footballs doesn't call Jim Hoft "the Dumbest Man on the Internet" for nothing.

[m52nickerson]

Obama's speech was awesome.

The right wing reaction is harsh but unsurprising.

Anyways, I had a thought. Assuming Trayvon actually attacked Zimmerman, could Stand Your Ground apply for his case?

Legally, yes, because he thought his life was threatened. In reality? No. He's black.

Legally, no.  If assuming Martin attacked Zimmerman, Martin would not have been covered as he would have been in the process of committing a felony.  That is unless you could show that Zimmerman threatened Martin to the point Martin feared for his life.

No, unless you could show that Martin felt his life was threatened, whether that threat was real or not.

Yes, you are correct.  Zimmerman would have have had to actually threatened Martin.  There was just no way for the state to show Martin feared for his life. 

Why did Zimmerman have to threaten Martin? I thought that (this court at least) said that Stand your ground is in effect if the defender BELIEVES that their life is in danger?

Zimmerman was released because the jury believed that HE believed that Martin might have killed him. Martin was stalked and cornered by an armed thug, now explain to me why Martin had to have proof that his life was in danger?

(I hate to say, is it because he was black? But the only other differences are that he was unarmed and that he is now dead.)

Sorry, I meant to say Zimmerman would not have had to actually threatened Martin.

The state would have had to prove Martin feared for his life because Zimmerman was the one on trial.

[ThunderWulf]

I know this has probably been mentioned since I don't feel like going through all 15 pages that have been posted on here since I last looked at this thread, but I just wanted to say this.

Regardless of Trayvon's actions and whether or not he attacked Zimmerman or to what extent etc., Zimmerman PURPOSELY PUT HIMSELF in that situation.  He went out of his way to follow Trayvon, even though a dispatcher recommended he didn't, and had his weapon ready and already drawn when he went after Trayvon.  Whether or not Trayvon did or didn't attack him or if Zimmerman's life was or wasn't in danger, he was very obviously looking for an excuse to be a vigilante.  If he hadn't gone out of his way and purposely put himself in a situation where he may need to use his gun so he could be the badass hero, none of this would have ever happened.  So yes, Zimmerman is guilty of AT LEAST manslaughter, NO MATTER WHAT Trayvon's actions were.

[Meshakhad]

I'm not as angry about this, because I don't think it's beyond reasonable doubt that Zimmerman was defending himself. Maybe after the altercation started, Trayvon quickly got the upper hand, and decided to go a step further. Maybe he was on top, and said something about teaching Zimmerman a lesson. At which point, Zimmerman feared that Trayvon might kill him. For that matter, Trayvon may have actually intended to do so.

I agree that he's probably guilty, but it's far from a sure thing. What is important is that this went to a trial. Remember, the police were originally not going to so much as charge Zimmerman. That's where the controversy really got going. If they had booked him immediately, I don't think the media would have latched on to the same degree.

[DiscoBerry]

The Conspiratards have chimed in, and I have to say I thought this would have happened much sooner.   

Trayvon Martin Never Exsisted
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7NQWqjiSUc" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7NQWqjiSUc</a>

How the fuck do you look up school enrollment of minors?

[PosthumanHeresy]

Considering the fuck-up that gave us the picture of Trayvon Martin's corpse, that's extra stupid.

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[DiscoBerry]

Considering the fuck-up that gave us the picture of Trayvon Martin's corpse, that's extra stupid.

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I have to say his clothes are not the baggy gansta sag, the right said they were

[R. U. Sirius]

The Conspiratards have chimed in, and I have to say I thought this would have happened much sooner.   

Trayvon Martin Never Exsisted
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7NQWqjiSUc" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7NQWqjiSUc</a>

How the fuck do you look up school enrollment of minors?

I can't help thinking this is a poe. Claiming there's nobody...not one single person...named Trayvon Martin in a country of 300 million people? I find that VERY difficult to believe, particularly since the screenshot they showed seemed to have double-digit results.

[KZN02]

The Conspiratards have chimed in, and I have to say I thought this would have happened much sooner.   

Trayvon Martin Never Exsisted
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7NQWqjiSUc" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7NQWqjiSUc</a>

How the fuck do you look up school enrollment of minors?

I can't help thinking this is a poe. Claiming there's nobody...not one single person...named Trayvon Martin in a country of 300 million people? I find that VERY difficult to believe, particularly since the screenshot they showed seemed to have double-digit results.

Which is ironic, considering the photos of people with the same name used to portray Trayvon in a negative light.

[The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist]

Considering the fuck-up that gave us the picture of Trayvon Martin's corpse, that's extra stupid.

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I have to say his clothes are not the baggy gansta sag, the right said they were

Seriously, I see rich white kids wearing that exact style of outfit all the time, and no one is accusing them of "looking gangster".

As an aside, I really regret having looked at that picture. His facial expression is just.... christ, I don't even know how to put it into words. I hope like hell his family hasn't seen it.

[Zygarde]

Considering the fuck-up that gave us the picture of Trayvon Martin's corpse, that's extra stupid.

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...It's very eerie how similar me and Trayvon are physically it's all so surreal and a bit scary that if the right conditions are met, dead kid could be me.