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Anti-Science bills in 4 states
« on: January 28, 2013, 01:51:36 pm »
These people just won't give up.  Anti-science bills have been introduced in 4 states which are designed to allow teachers to preach creationism, among other things, without fear of reprisal. 

The more science shows how things really are (were) the more these people resist the truth. 
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Re: Anti-Science bills in 4 states
« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2013, 02:52:46 pm »
If somebody is seriously going to try to deny evolution in this day and age, they should never be able to leave their home and not get publicly ridiculed.
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Re: Anti-Science bills in 4 states
« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2013, 11:20:22 pm »
A saying I've heard multiple times comes to mind here:

"We have the fossils. We win."

It takes WILLFUL ignorance in this day and age to be so ignorant of science.
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Re: Anti-Science bills in 4 states
« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2013, 12:05:40 am »
Quote from: TGRwulf on January 28, 2013, 11:20:22 pm
A saying I've heard multiple times comes to mind here:

"We have the fossils. We win."

It takes WILLFUL ignorance in this day and age to be so ignorant of science.
The technical term is "Stupid".
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Re: Anti-Science bills in 4 states
« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2013, 06:06:55 am »
I'll take them seriously (Well, a little) if they can answer how they leap from, "outside influence," to, "God did it."  If they want to teach all sides equally as they preach, they need to explain the Hindu god, aliens, asteroids, etc.

Otherwise, it's just churches trying to squeeze their way into schools where they don't belong.
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Re: Anti-Science bills in 4 states
« Reply #5 on: January 29, 2013, 10:49:11 am »
Quote from: Vypernight on January 29, 2013, 06:06:55 am
I'll take them seriously (Well, a little) if they can answer how they leap from, "outside influence," to, "God did it."  If they want to teach all sides equally as they preach, they need to explain the Hindu god, aliens, asteroids, etc.

Otherwise, it's just churches trying to squeeze their way into schools where they don't belong.

One can only hope that this comes back to blow up in their faces.  They want to teach creationism?  Fine.  But don't have conniptions when a student wants to explore Buddhist teachings or some other religion's explanation of how things came to be.  After all, this is being label as the "Academic Freedom" bill.  Let's have true academic freedom under these bills.
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Re: Anti-Science bills in 4 states
« Reply #6 on: January 29, 2013, 12:03:00 pm »
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Re: Anti-Science bills in 4 states
« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2013, 01:17:47 pm »
I'd walk into the classroom with a report about meteorite crashes possibly affecting the Earth and changing it so we could be here.  Meteorites are outside sources, but their effects can actually be proven/disproven
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Re: Anti-Science bills in 4 states
« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2013, 01:47:42 pm »
APparently the courts have ruled the idea unconstitutional since it's based on the establishment of religion, so even if it got through, you can slap it with a strong lawsuit on established precedent.
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Re: Anti-Science bills in 4 states
« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2013, 03:19:56 pm »
Quote from: Material Defender on January 30, 2013, 01:47:42 pm
APparently the courts have ruled the idea unconstitutional since it's based on the establishment of religion, so even if it got through, you can slap it with a strong lawsuit on established precedent.

Well, of course, yeah.  But the thing is, they just won't fucking give up this quest to teach creationism in schools.  No matter how many times these bills are passed and then smacked down by the Supreme Court, they come back with it worded a different way trying to get around and hide the very fact that it actually is nothing more than an attempt to teach religion, and a very specific religion at that, which is an obvious violation of the constitution.

What this shows me is that if they think they have to teach this stuff in schools, they are admitting their churches aren't doing a very good job of indoctrinating the young'uns. 
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Re: Anti-Science bills in 4 states
« Reply #10 on: January 30, 2013, 05:44:14 pm »
Why not throw the conservative Christians a major curve ball and make it a requirement that everybody get a couple of years worth of world religion and philosophy classes in exchange for leaving religion out of science.










It would be the ultimate Trojan Horse victory for our side.
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Re: Anti-Science bills in 4 states
« Reply #11 on: January 30, 2013, 07:19:42 pm »
Quote from: Canadian Mojo on January 30, 2013, 05:44:14 pm
Why not throw the conservative Christians a major curve ball and make it a requirement that everybody get a couple of years worth of world religion and philosophy classes in exchange for leaving religion out of science.










It would be the ultimate Trojan Horse victory for our side.

That would be awesome.  We went over different religions and philosophies some when I was in Geography, but I would have loved to have gone more in depth.
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Re: Anti-Science bills in 4 states
« Reply #12 on: January 30, 2013, 07:39:39 pm »
I can't see them going for that. They'd be all for mandatory religious instruction but they'd wrangle and snarl and twist and spit to get it to be Christianity only. And they would STILL want Creationism taught in science classes. I guarantee it. It's not enough just to teach kids about religion--you have to make them see that it permeates every single solitary facet of their universe. They just cannot STAND the idea that someone will teach evolution as an explanation for life on Earth, FULL STOP, let alone teaching it IN LIEU OF their beloved myths.

Quote from: Star Cluster on January 30, 2013, 03:19:56 pm
What this shows me is that if they think they have to teach this stuff in schools, they are admitting their churches aren't doing a very good job of indoctrinating the young'uns. 

Also, this is a pretty darn good point.
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Re: Anti-Science bills in 4 states
« Reply #13 on: February 05, 2013, 09:00:53 pm »
Quote from: Canadian Mojo on January 30, 2013, 05:44:14 pm
Why not throw the conservative Christians a major curve ball and make it a requirement that everybody get a couple of years worth of world religion and philosophy classes in exchange for leaving religion out of science.










It would be the ultimate Trojan Horse victory for our side.

In the UK, they had Religious Studies as a regular class. Christianity did get more attention - two full years were spent reading the Bible - but we also studied other religions.
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Re: Anti-Science bills in 4 states
« Reply #14 on: February 05, 2013, 10:05:28 pm »
Quote from: Meshakhad on February 05, 2013, 09:00:53 pm
Quote from: Canadian Mojo on January 30, 2013, 05:44:14 pm
Why not throw the conservative Christians a major curve ball and make it a requirement that everybody get a couple of years worth of world religion and philosophy classes in exchange for leaving religion out of science.











It would be the ultimate Trojan Horse victory for our side.

In the UK, they had Religious Studies as a regular class. Christianity did get more attention - two full years were spent reading the Bible - but we also studied other religions.

I can't imagine a religious studies class in America that wouldn't end up teaching about how Jesus inspired the founding fathers or something.
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