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Title: New Fatwa issued by Muslim clerics in Canada
Post by: Stormwarden on February 05, 2012, 09:48:53 pm
http://www.thestar.com/news/article/1126359--shafia-murders-fatwa-issued-against-honour-killings-domestic-violence-hatred-of-women


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Muslim clerics in Canada issued a fatwa on Saturday against honour killings, domestic violence and hatred of women.

“These crimes are major sins in Islam, punishable by the court of law and almighty Allah,” said Prof. Imam Syed Soharwardy, representing 34 clerics affiliated with the Islamic Supreme Council of Canada.

At first, I was concerned when I heard "fatwa," but upon further review...I'm actually okay with this. Granted, the ones who really need to hear it in the Middle East will dismiss it entirely, but I consider this a good start. Just wish it happened sooner.
Title: Re: New Fatwa issued by Muslim clerics in Canada
Post by: Osama bin Bambi on February 05, 2012, 09:50:59 pm
inb4 Islamophobic conservatives spin it into something else.
Title: Re: New Fatwa issued by Muslim clerics in Canada
Post by: ironbite on February 05, 2012, 11:48:24 pm
Every time there's a terrorist bombing in the name of Islam, there needs to be a Fatwa issued.

Ironbite-every time.
Title: Re: New Fatwa issued by Muslim clerics in Canada
Post by: MaybeNever on February 05, 2012, 11:53:09 pm
inb4 Islamophobic conservatives spin it into something else.

Muslims hate honor! Feminism is killing people!
Title: Re: New Fatwa issued by Muslim clerics in Canada
Post by: Witchyjoshy on February 05, 2012, 11:53:41 pm
Oh geez, more damn religious funda...

...

Quick, someone check the temperature of hell D:
Title: Re: New Fatwa issued by Muslim clerics in Canada
Post by: kefkaownsall on February 05, 2012, 11:55:19 pm
Holy shit an actually good fatwa?
This is actually wonderful news but do you think it'll get the Canadian fundies to let up on the islamophobia
Title: Re: New Fatwa issued by Muslim clerics in Canada
Post by: Stormwarden on February 06, 2012, 12:03:28 am
I thought it would be refreshing to bring in some good news for a change. I think being part of FSTDT, I have to remind myself that religion and douchebaggery don't necessarily go hand-in-hand. If you get to the point that you start hating religion just because it's religion, and don't look at the deeds of people, you become no better than the fundies we quote.
Title: Re: New Fatwa issued by Muslim clerics in Canada
Post by: Meshakhad on February 06, 2012, 12:06:52 am
I actually applauded this out loud.

ALLAHU AKBAR!
Title: Re: New Fatwa issued by Muslim clerics in Canada
Post by: kefkaownsall on February 06, 2012, 12:12:47 am
I thought it would be refreshing to bring in some good news for a change. I think being part of FSTDT, I have to remind myself that religion and douchebaggery don't necessarily go hand-in-hand. If you get to the point that you start hating religion just because it's religion, and don't look at the deeds of people, you become no better than the fundies we quote.
That is ultimately why I do not like Bill Maher
Title: Re: New Fatwa issued by Muslim clerics in Canada
Post by: Osama bin Bambi on February 06, 2012, 12:21:40 am
I thought it would be refreshing to bring in some good news for a change. I think being part of FSTDT, I have to remind myself that religion and douchebaggery don't necessarily go hand-in-hand. If you get to the point that you start hating religion just because it's religion, and don't look at the deeds of people, you become no better than the fundies we quote.
That is ultimately why I do not like Bill Maher

That, and he's an anti-vaxxer.
Title: Re: New Fatwa issued by Muslim clerics in Canada
Post by: kefkaownsall on February 06, 2012, 12:22:57 am
I thought it would be refreshing to bring in some good news for a change. I think being part of FSTDT, I have to remind myself that religion and douchebaggery don't necessarily go hand-in-hand. If you get to the point that you start hating religion just because it's religion, and don't look at the deeds of people, you become no better than the fundies we quote.
That is ultimately why I do not like Bill Maher

That, and he's an anti-vaxxer.
How did I forget that. 
Title: Re: New Fatwa issued by Muslim clerics in Canada
Post by: largeham on February 06, 2012, 12:23:31 am
This is nice. I was about to make a Salman Rushdie joke.
Title: Re: New Fatwa issued by Muslim clerics in Canada
Post by: SCarpelan on February 06, 2012, 01:09:36 am
inb4 Islamophobic conservatives spin it into something else.
Too late, read the comments.
Title: Re: New Fatwa issued by Muslim clerics in Canada
Post by: Askold on February 06, 2012, 02:26:13 am
And there we have it: Muslims are not all chaotic evil. Islam is not a single undivided religion, there are many interpetations of islam just like christianity is a divided mess.

Now if we could get these people to be louder than the "Kill all unbelievers" groups of islam. (Or maybe it's just that media and islamophobics pay more attention to the more crazier parts of islam and ignore the sane muslims.)
Title: Re: New Fatwa issued by Muslim clerics in Canada
Post by: Art Vandelay on February 06, 2012, 02:29:23 am
And there we have it: Muslims are not all chaotic evil.
Don't you mean lawful evil? Making new laws is a big part of their job description.
Title: Re: New Fatwa issued by Muslim clerics in Canada
Post by: Eniliad on February 06, 2012, 03:31:20 am
Holy shit... good news.

I like.
Title: Re: New Fatwa issued by Muslim clerics in Canada
Post by: jumpingjackflash on February 06, 2012, 05:11:03 am

inb4 Islamophobic conservatives spin it into something else.


Some of the top comments/comments that get more "agrees" are, surprise surprise, Islamophobic.

And now for the obligatory facepalm...

(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/000/554/facepalm.jpg)
Title: Re: New Fatwa issued by Muslim clerics in Canada
Post by: Askold on February 06, 2012, 06:04:16 am
And there we have it: Muslims are not all chaotic evil.
Don't you mean lawful evil? Making new laws is a big part of their job description.
Touche.
Title: Re: New Fatwa issued by Muslim clerics in Canada
Post by: Caitshidhe on February 06, 2012, 06:24:02 pm
Like others, I also saw the title here and immediately feared the worst. I am pleasantly surprised, as well as relieved. Of course, the people who need to be told these things aren't going to hear it and even if they did they wouldn't pay attention, but it's really nice to see the higher-ups taking a vocal, united stand against a horrible wrong committed in the name of the religion they have dedicated their lives to.

If only they could be louder and drown out the assholes.
Title: Re: New Fatwa issued by Muslim clerics in Canada
Post by: Osama bin Bambi on February 06, 2012, 06:37:44 pm
http://nayzak.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d4n7l9c (http://nayzak.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d4n7l9c)

Relevant. He's a really good artist, too.
Title: Re: New Fatwa issued by Muslim clerics in Canada
Post by: Cerim Treascair on February 06, 2012, 06:44:16 pm
okay, officially a classy dude there.  Nice art style, too. I'm impressed.
Title: Re: New Fatwa issued by Muslim clerics in Canada
Post by: Caitshidhe on February 06, 2012, 06:48:18 pm
Huh. Pretty interesting stuff! I don't agree with everything he has to say, but I love how he says it. Rather than just going, "HEY MY RELIGION SAYS THIS AND THAT!", he's explaining his interpretation of the religion. (Of course he can cite the Koran to do it--just as you can cite the Bible or Torah or Talmud or anything else to support pretty much any position imaginable.)

Still, pretty good stuff. Thanks Wykked!
Title: Re: New Fatwa issued by Muslim clerics in Canada
Post by: Askold on February 07, 2012, 02:15:20 am
Yeah I like his art style. Although I do remember seeing similar drawings that were advocating some horrible stuff, but that was back when I was still visiting 4chan so those images might have been shopped. Or it could have been a completely different artist.
Title: Re: New Fatwa issued by Muslim clerics in Canada
Post by: Damen on February 07, 2012, 12:51:06 pm
Oh geez, more damn religious funda...

...

Quick, someone check the temperature of hell D:

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_FJU3YuNc4Uc/SPU2rNk7WfI/AAAAAAAAAZk/sHhdvn678Uw/s320/hell+freezes+over.jpg)
Title: Re: New Fatwa issued by Muslim clerics in Canada
Post by: Barbarella on February 10, 2012, 10:37:46 am
I thought it would be refreshing to bring in some good news for a change. I think being part of FSTDT, I have to remind myself that religion and douchebaggery don't necessarily go hand-in-hand. If you get to the point that you start hating religion just because it's religion, and don't look at the deeds of people, you become no better than the fundies we quote.

AGREED 100%!!!!
Title: Re: New Fatwa issued by Muslim clerics in Canada
Post by: Podkayne on February 10, 2012, 10:43:48 am
http://www.thestar.com/news/article/1126359--shafia-murders-fatwa-issued-against-honour-killings-domestic-violence-hatred-of-women


Quote
Muslim clerics in Canada issued a fatwa on Saturday against honour killings, domestic violence and hatred of women.

“These crimes are major sins in Islam, punishable by the court of law and almighty Allah,” said Prof. Imam Syed Soharwardy, representing 34 clerics affiliated with the Islamic Supreme Council of Canada.

At first, I was concerned when I heard "fatwa," but upon further review...I'm actually okay with this. Granted, the ones who really need to hear it in the Middle East will dismiss it entirely, but I consider this a good start. Just wish it happened sooner.

I bet it won't stop a single anti-Muslim from spouting that "where are  the moderate Muslims?" crap they go on with.
Title: Re: New Fatwa issued by Muslim clerics in Canada
Post by: one-shot on February 13, 2012, 08:10:40 pm
This certainly is good news, and I'm glad to hear it.  And, like Russell Peters said (paraphrasing), we don't see the good, nice, moderate Muslims because their boring, so the media gives us the crazy ones.