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Community => Religion and Philosophy => Topic started by: the_ignored on January 08, 2014, 08:10:45 pm
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Here (http://uass.asn.au/post/2014/01/creationist-hosted-by-uwa-and-curtin-makes-sexist-homophobic-and-rape-apologetic-comments/) you go:
In a conversation about the Bible after the lecture, a student pointed out that the Bible condones rape in the following passage from Numbers 31:
“17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that has known man by lying with him. 18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.”
Mackay argued that this is not rape, because the girls were forced to enter a “legitimate Jewish marriage” first (after having their family murdered by their soon-to-be husbands), and obviously you can’t rape your own wife. Not only is it not rape, but Mackay believes this is apparently not even immoral for God to command this and for the Israelites to carry it out.
And it goes on, with a link to MacKay's website (see article) and more:
"This goes further than an opinion about the Bible. Mackay sincerely believes that even today, rape within marriage is a contradiction, and that forced marriage can be legitimate. The idea that rape is wrong is apparently a recent secular invention."
They quote MacKay here:
“The modern atheist mind wants to use modern their [sic] definition of rape as an absolute, such that a woman both before and after marriage is an autonomous being who has rights to resist any man including the man she married, and if he insists on sex, then that is rape and the male is legally guilty of a crime.”"
Uh, aren't those people the ones who pretend to have "absolute morality"?
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That last sentence there? Yeah, that's how the world works. People of all ages, genders, marital statuses, etc have the right to refuse sex (whether it be with their spouse, a stranger, their favorite pornstar, whatever) and this douchebag acts like that's a bad thing.
And people say patriarchy isn't real. Fucking hell.
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*head desks, a lot*
Ironbite-think I may have broken something.
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He seriously said that it's wrong to consider a married woman an autonomous being? Seriously?!
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*head desks, a lot*
Ironbite-think I may have broken something.
What's to break? ;D
Joking aside, this guy deserves to be put on a few watch lists. I wouldn't be surprised if he thinks spousal abuse is not only okay, but a man's solemn duty.
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“The modern atheist mind wants to use modern their [sic] definition of rape as an absolute, such that a woman both before and after marriage is an autonomous being who has rights to resist any man including the man she married, and if he insists on sex, then that is rape and the male is legally guilty of a crime.”"
Uh, aren't those people the ones who pretend to have "absolute morality"?
Dear John MacKay:
(http://www.imagesbuddy.com/images/85/2013/08/you-are-a-bag-of-douche-insult-graphic.jpg)
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Hey now, that's insulting to douchebags.
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He seriously said that it's wrong to consider a married woman an autonomous being? Seriously?!
Yeah, that part made me facepalm so hard that my hand is now inside my cranial cavity!
At least he's honest, he believes human females of any age are not autonomous human beings. He needs a baseball bat to the nuts....HARD!
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He seriously said that it's wrong to consider a married woman an autonomous being? Seriously?!
Yeah, that part made me facepalm so hard that my hand is now inside my cranial cavity!
At least he's honest, he believes human females of any age are not autonomous human beings. He needs a baseball bat to the nuts....HARD!
Preferably done by a woman.
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Nah...too merciful, and phallic. Make it a bear trap.
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What is it with fundies and rape? It's as if you're not a real fundie if you haven't advocated rape/domestic abuse at least once. At this point, I've heard so much of their crap that I fear I'm becoming desensitized to this evil.
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What is it with fundies and rape? It's as if you're not a real fundie if you haven't advocated rape/domestic abuse at least once. At this point, I've heard so much of their crap that I fear I'm becoming desensitized to this evil.
As long as you can still recognize it as evil, you're healthy.
Meanwhile, I'm going to be here cringing in a corner because of the mental imagery of a bear trap doing its work.
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What is it with fundies and rape? It's as if you're not a real fundie if you haven't advocated rape/domestic abuse at least once. At this point, I've heard so much of their crap that I fear I'm becoming desensitized to this evil.
Because it's something that can be done to control women. Think about how most, and I do mean most, rape victims act after a rape. Scared, confused, shattered. You can take a super-strong, independent woman who don't need no man and break her down to a scared fawn of a woman and then swoop in to be her protector, her controller, her savior. That's a power trip.
Ironbite-and a lot of fundies get off on power trips.
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He seriously said that it's wrong to consider a married woman an autonomous being? Seriously?!
Yeah, that part made me facepalm so hard that my hand is now inside my cranial cavity!
At least he's honest, he believes human females of any age are not autonomous human beings. He needs a baseball bat to the nuts....HARD!
Preferably done by a woman.
YEAH!
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He seriously said that it's wrong to consider a married woman an autonomous being? Seriously?!
Yeah, that part made me facepalm so hard that my hand is now inside my cranial cavity!
At least he's honest, he believes human females of any age are not autonomous human beings. He needs a baseball bat to the nuts....HARD!
Preferably done by a woman.
YEAH!
i'd go with getting flayed alive. in public. by dominatrixes. while men laugh. twice, but the second time by male dom's while women laugh.
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Torture requires too much energy to be expended, which he clearly does not merit. Just decapitate him and be done with it. Considering the head, many times, stays alive after being removed from the body, it'd be enough of a final hell for him.
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Torture requires too much energy to be expended, which he clearly does not merit. Just decapitate him and be done with it. Considering the head, many times, stays alive after being removed from the body, it'd be enough of a final hell for him.
let it be known that i do not want to kill him. let him live the shame eternally. that's my punishment
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Put him in a pillory, attach a sign to him, and let the citizens have their (non-lethal non-rape) fun with him.
Preferably in a very female positive area.
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Put him in a pillory, attach a sign to him, and let the citizens have their (non-lethal non-rape) fun with him.
Preferably in a very female positive area.
you forgot putting the guy in female underwear. those chafe like a bastard on a guy! (before you ask, personnal experience with a too-small bra, and fishnet... hate fishnet...)
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Just goes to show you how little humans are valued in the fundie religion.
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Just goes to show you how little humans are valued in the fundie religion.
Hit the nail so square on the head, its down right perfect.
Torture requires too much energy to be expended, which he clearly does not merit. Just decapitate him and be done with it. Considering the head, many times, stays alive after being removed from the body, it'd be enough of a final hell for him.
let it be known that i do not want to kill him. let him live the shame eternally. that's my punishment
I don't, either, at least not personally and its not something I'd endorse, but his passing, violent or not, wouldn't be something over which I'd be terribly bothered.
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such that a woman both before and after marriage is an autonomous being who has rights to resist any man including the man she married
Gee, it's almost as if your wife is a human being and not your personal property.
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We get it that you hate women.
Why can't they come up with something original for once?
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Because creativity is of the devil.
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Am I the only one who gets a definite vibe of "Sex is Evil and I Am Horny" from this guy?
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Am I the only one who gets a definite vibe of "Sex is Evil and I Am Horny" from this guy?
So that's what it is! Thanks for saving me a trip to YKTTW, Sirius.
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And near the end of that article he has the nerve to say:
Their atheism which uses evolution to justify their rejection of the Creator God, provides them with no durable moral basis for any rules, including what is or is not rape!
For more self-righteousness involving rape, how's about some blaming the victim (http://www.patheos.com/blogs/slacktivist/2014/03/11/guest-post-god-is-done-with-you-pensacola-christian-college-and-sexual-violence/) time?
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What is it with fundies and rape? It's as if you're not a real fundie if you haven't advocated rape/domestic abuse at least once. At this point, I've heard so much of their crap that I fear I'm becoming desensitized to this evil.
Because it's something that can be done to control women. Think about how most, and I do mean most, rape victims act after a rape. Scared, confused, shattered. You can take a super-strong, independent woman who don't need no man and break her down to a scared fawn of a woman and then swoop in to be her protector, her controller, her savior. That's a power trip.
Ironbite-and a lot of fundies get off on power trips.
Excuse me, but would you mind not perpetuating the idea of rape victims all being weak and helpless, it's kinda offensive in the since it infantilizes victims of rape victims. Rape doesn't define someone.
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What is it with fundies and rape? It's as if you're not a real fundie if you haven't advocated rape/domestic abuse at least once. At this point, I've heard so much of their crap that I fear I'm becoming desensitized to this evil.
Because it's something that can be done to control women. Think about how most, and I do mean most, rape victims act after a rape. Scared, confused, shattered. You can take a super-strong, independent woman who don't need no man and break her down to a scared fawn of a woman and then swoop in to be her protector, her controller, her savior. That's a power trip.
Ironbite-and a lot of fundies get off on power trips.
Excuse me, but would you mind not perpetuating the idea of rape victims all being weak and helpless, it's kinda offensive in the since it infantilizes victims of rape victims. Rape doesn't define someone.
.....I'm sorry but the fuck did you say to me barely a meal?
Ironbite-or is your pea brain-cell not contemplating what I posted?
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What is it with fundies and rape? It's as if you're not a real fundie if you haven't advocated rape/domestic abuse at least once. At this point, I've heard so much of their crap that I fear I'm becoming desensitized to this evil.
Because it's something that can be done to control women. Think about how most, and I do mean most, rape victims act after a rape. Scared, confused, shattered. You can take a super-strong, independent woman who don't need no man and break her down to a scared fawn of a woman and then swoop in to be her protector, her controller, her savior. That's a power trip.
Ironbite-and a lot of fundies get off on power trips.
Excuse me, but would you mind not perpetuating the idea of rape victims all being weak and helpless, it's kinda offensive in the since it infantilizes victims of rape victims. Rape doesn't define someone.
.....I'm sorry but the fuck did you say to me barely a meal?
Ironbite-or is your pea brain-cell not contemplating what I posted?
I probably should have phrased that better.
I meant rape victims tend to still be able to function phycologically in the long run much the same way a soldier who witnessed some wartime atrocity would, and don't become submissive as you described.
I don't know what you though I meant.
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What is it with fundies and rape? It's as if you're not a real fundie if you haven't advocated rape/domestic abuse at least once. At this point, I've heard so much of their crap that I fear I'm becoming desensitized to this evil.
Because it's something that can be done to control women. Think about how most, and I do mean most, rape victims act after a rape. Scared, confused, shattered. You can take a super-strong, independent woman who don't need no man and break her down to a scared fawn of a woman and then swoop in to be her protector, her controller, her savior. That's a power trip.
Ironbite-and a lot of fundies get off on power trips.
Excuse me, but would you mind not perpetuating the idea of rape victims all being weak and helpless, it's kinda offensive in the since it infantilizes victims of rape victims. Rape doesn't define someone.
.....I'm sorry but the fuck did you say to me barely a meal?
Ironbite-or is your pea brain-cell not contemplating what I posted?
I probably should have phrased that better.
I meant rape victims tend to still be able to function phycologically in the long run much the same way a soldier who witnessed some wartime atrocity would, and don't become submissive as you described.
I don't know what you though I meant.
Before this spirals out of control, the way I read the "infantilising" statement was as a description of a fantasy. Yeah, the bit about how "most" women become scared broken little fawns that need Daddy to make it better is either overgeneralising or flat-out inaccurate, but the rest seems like a pretty apt answer to the question asked.
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What is it with fundies and rape? It's as if you're not a real fundie if you haven't advocated rape/domestic abuse at least once. At this point, I've heard so much of their crap that I fear I'm becoming desensitized to this evil.
Because it's something that can be done to control women. Think about how most, and I do mean most, rape victims act after a rape. Scared, confused, shattered. You can take a super-strong, independent woman who don't need no man and break her down to a scared fawn of a woman and then swoop in to be her protector, her controller, her savior. That's a power trip.
Ironbite-and a lot of fundies get off on power trips.
Excuse me, but would you mind not perpetuating the idea of rape victims all being weak and helpless, it's kinda offensive in the since it infantilizes victims of rape victims. Rape doesn't define someone.
.....I'm sorry but the fuck did you say to me barely a meal?
Ironbite-or is your pea brain-cell not contemplating what I posted?
I probably should have phrased that better.
I meant rape victims tend to still be able to function phycologically in the long run much the same way a soldier who witnessed some wartime atrocity would, and don't become submissive as you described.
I don't know what you though I meant.
Before this spirals out of control, the way I read the "infantilising" statement was as a description of a fantasy. Yeah, the bit about how "most" women become scared broken little fawns that need Daddy to make it better is either overgeneralising or flat-out inaccurate, but the rest seems like a pretty apt answer to the question asked.
Totes, most fundies think of women as pets at best and that abuse and rape are simply a natural way of keeping them in line.
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What is it with fundies and rape? It's as if you're not a real fundie if you haven't advocated rape/domestic abuse at least once. At this point, I've heard so much of their crap that I fear I'm becoming desensitized to this evil.
Because it's something that can be done to control women. Think about how most, and I do mean most, rape victims act after a rape. Scared, confused, shattered. You can take a super-strong, independent woman who don't need no man and break her down to a scared fawn of a woman and then swoop in to be her protector, her controller, her savior. That's a power trip.
Ironbite-and a lot of fundies get off on power trips.
Excuse me, but would you mind not perpetuating the idea of rape victims all being weak and helpless, it's kinda offensive in the since it infantilizes victims of rape victims. Rape doesn't define someone.
I think he was describing the general assumption, not the reality. Of course, the reality varies. Queen Boudicca & her daughters responded by becoming brave, fearless & mighty furies and valiantly fought back.
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What is it with fundies and rape? It's as if you're not a real fundie if you haven't advocated rape/domestic abuse at least once. At this point, I've heard so much of their crap that I fear I'm becoming desensitized to this evil.
Because it's something that can be done to control women. Think about how most, and I do mean most, rape victims act after a rape. Scared, confused, shattered. You can take a super-strong, independent woman who don't need no man and break her down to a scared fawn of a woman and then swoop in to be her protector, her controller, her savior. That's a power trip.
Ironbite-and a lot of fundies get off on power trips.
Excuse me, but would you mind not perpetuating the idea of rape victims all being weak and helpless, it's kinda offensive in the since it infantilizes victims of rape victims. Rape doesn't define someone.
I think he was describing the general assumption, not the reality. Of course, the reality varies.
Ah
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What is it with fundies and rape? It's as if you're not a real fundie if you haven't advocated rape/domestic abuse at least once. At this point, I've heard so much of their crap that I fear I'm becoming desensitized to this evil.
Because it's something that can be done to control women. Think about how most, and I do mean most, rape victims act after a rape. Scared, confused, shattered. You can take a super-strong, independent woman who don't need no man and break her down to a scared fawn of a woman and then swoop in to be her protector, her controller, her savior. That's a power trip.
Ironbite-and a lot of fundies get off on power trips.
Excuse me, but would you mind not perpetuating the idea of rape victims all being weak and helpless, it's kinda offensive in the since it infantilizes victims of rape victims. Rape doesn't define someone.
.....I'm sorry but the fuck did you say to me barely a meal?
Ironbite-or is your pea brain-cell not contemplating what I posted?
a) No flaming outside Flame and Burn.
b) I have no idea what Ironbite tried to write, apart from the insults.
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What is it with fundies and rape? It's as if you're not a real fundie if you haven't advocated rape/domestic abuse at least once. At this point, I've heard so much of their crap that I fear I'm becoming desensitized to this evil.
Because it's something that can be done to control women. Think about how most, and I do mean most, rape victims act after a rape. Scared, confused, shattered. You can take a super-strong, independent woman who don't need no man and break her down to a scared fawn of a woman and then swoop in to be her protector, her controller, her savior. That's a power trip.
Ironbite-and a lot of fundies get off on power trips.
Excuse me, but would you mind not perpetuating the idea of rape victims all being weak and helpless, it's kinda offensive in the since it infantilizes victims of rape victims. Rape doesn't define someone.
.....I'm sorry but the fuck did you say to me barely a meal?
Ironbite-or is your pea brain-cell not contemplating what I posted?
a) No flaming outside Flame and Burn.
b) I have no idea what Ironbite tried to write, apart from the insults.
To translate from 'eloquent Ibby' speak, "you'd better rethink what you just stated, since I'm generally accurate about my statements. Do you really want to be a moron about this?"
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^That.
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Happy to be of service, m'lord.
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*shoots any fedoras you might be wearing*
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Nah, no fedora here. I do want a trilby someday though.
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What is it with fundies and rape? It's as if you're not a real fundie if you haven't advocated rape/domestic abuse at least once. At this point, I've heard so much of their crap that I fear I'm becoming desensitized to this evil.
Because it's something that can be done to control women. Think about how most, and I do mean most, rape victims act after a rape. Scared, confused, shattered. You can take a super-strong, independent woman who don't need no man and break her down to a scared fawn of a woman and then swoop in to be her protector, her controller, her savior. That's a power trip.
Ironbite-and a lot of fundies get off on power trips.
Excuse me, but would you mind not perpetuating the idea of rape victims all being weak and helpless, it's kinda offensive in the since it infantilizes victims of rape victims. Rape doesn't define someone.
.....I'm sorry but the fuck did you say to me barely a meal?
Ironbite-or is your pea brain-cell not contemplating what I posted?
a) No flaming outside Flame and Burn.
b) I have no idea what Ironbite tried to write, apart from the insults.
To translate from 'eloquent Ibby' speak, "you'd better rethink what you just stated, since I'm generally accurate about my statements. Do you really want to be a moron about this?"
Wow, great argument!
Truly convinced me that all rape victims are infantile children!
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What is it with fundies and rape? It's as if you're not a real fundie if you haven't advocated rape/domestic abuse at least once. At this point, I've heard so much of their crap that I fear I'm becoming desensitized to this evil.
Because it's something that can be done to control women. Think about how most, and I do mean most, rape victims act after a rape. Scared, confused, shattered. You can take a super-strong, independent woman who don't need no man and break her down to a scared fawn of a woman and then swoop in to be her protector, her controller, her savior. That's a power trip.
Ironbite-and a lot of fundies get off on power trips.
Excuse me, but would you mind not perpetuating the idea of rape victims all being weak and helpless, it's kinda offensive in the since it infantilizes victims of rape victims. Rape doesn't define someone.
.....I'm sorry but the fuck did you say to me barely a meal?
Ironbite-or is your pea brain-cell not contemplating what I posted?
a) No flaming outside Flame and Burn.
b) I have no idea what Ironbite tried to write, apart from the insults.
To translate from 'eloquent Ibby' speak, "you'd better rethink what you just stated, since I'm generally accurate about my statements. Do you really want to be a moron about this?"
Still, it's flaming outside of flame and burn, and Ironbite is expected to behave himself. Can't give him any special treatment compared to us other forum members, after all.
Also I'm fairly certain this is one of those times where lizard was right and Ironbite was, quite frankly, in the wrong.