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Community => Politics and Government => Topic started by: CaseAgainstFaith on March 09, 2012, 10:47:03 am
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McDonald's and Taco Bell have banned it, but now the United States Department of Agriculture (USDA) is buying 7 million pounds of beef containing ammonium hydroxide-treated ground connective tissue and meat scraps and serving it up to America's school kids. If you thought cafeteria food was gross before….
"Pink slime," which is officially called "Lean Beef Trimmings," is banned for human consumption in the United Kingdom. It is commonly used in dog and chicken food. Celebrity chef and safe food advocate Jamie Oliver featured the substance and called for its ban on the April 12, 2011 episode of Jamie Oliver's Food Revolution, which may have influenced McDonald's to stop using beef patties containing the filler.
Some food advocates are asking for meat containing "pink slime" to be labeled. It's used in about 70% of ground beef in the US. "We don't know which districts are receiving what meat, and this meat isn't labeled to show pink slime. They don't have to under federal law," Bettina Siegal, a writer and mother of two who created TheLunchTray.com told NBC.
http://shine.yahoo.com/healthy-living/seven-million-tons-8220-pink-slime-8221-beef-180500764.html (http://shine.yahoo.com/healthy-living/seven-million-tons-8220-pink-slime-8221-beef-180500764.html)
I would think of fast food industries of all places decided to ban it, that says something right there. This stuff can't be good for the kids.
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Capitalists got to make money.
yeah, we should keep kids from watching porn and learning about the homosex agenda, but they can eat this crap if they want. If they want healthy foods, they should have been homeschooled. </dumby>
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Why the hell are chickens being feed this shit??
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It's an often-cited statistic that most of the meat served in school lunches is one grade below McDonald's and one grade above dog food.
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My advice to the suppliers is to come up with a more appealing name.
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Unicorn Crap!
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It's an often-cited statistic that most of the meat served in school lunches is one grade below McDonald's and one grade above dog food.
That must be bad. Mcdonalds barely qualifies as food.
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It's an often-cited statistic that most of the meat served in school lunches is one grade below McDonald's and one grade above dog food.
Our pets deserve better than that!
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It's an often-cited statistic that most of the meat served in school lunches is one grade below McDonald's and one grade above dog food.
Our pets deserve better than that!
That's one reason I'm the type of dog owner that is always reading labels on the dog food and snacks, plus the Whole Dog Journal (http://www.whole-dog-journal.com/) helps a lot.
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Okay, I had to look up what ammonium hydroxide is. Window cleaner? They put fucking window cleaner in food? How did that ever get passed the FDA? I thought they were supposed to be protecting us from stuff like that.
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Why, they ARE protecting us. It's not at LETHAL levels! Be happy with your gruel, fellow peasants!
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Okay, I had to look up what ammonium hydroxide is. Window cleaner? They put fucking window cleaner in food? How did that ever get passed the FDA? I thought they were supposed to be protecting us from stuff like that.
You have sodium hypochlorite in your water, AKA Bleach. Depending on where you live you may also have some ammonium injected in the water as well.
....and that is a good thing.
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Why is that a good thing? Surely there's other ways to purify water without putting bleach or ammonia in it.
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Its only really a problem if either A) your particular purification plant has had a leak or somesuch, or B) you drink a LOT of fucking tap water. Course, at that point, you'd have more to fear from water poisoning than over-ingestion of bleach. Or fluoride.
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Its only really a problem if either A) your particular purification plant has had a leak or somesuch, or B) you drink a LOT of fucking tap water. Course, at that point, you'd have more to fear from water poisoning than over-ingestion of bleach. Or fluoride.
Indeed. And no, there are no real better solutions. You can filter and filter til the cows come home, but microbes are bitches to just remove--you have to kill them. The trace chemicals left in the water are so miniscule (generally measured in parts per billion) that they can't really pose a health risk--you probably get more of those same chemicals through breathing every time you clean your house than you do in a year of drinking tap water.
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Here I thought this thread was a Terraria reference.
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Here I thought this thread was a Terraria reference.
I was hoping it was a Ghostbusters II reference.
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Ohhhh Crap! Why didn't I think of that!? IT was so obvious! *Facepalms for self's stupidity*
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The human body actually produces small amounts of hypochlorous bleach and ammonia as part of its biological functions.
Which isn't to say those things can't harm you. Just that they're not automatically toxic in trace amounts.
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Pretty much, when I was in HS Physical Science and Chem, the teacher said that if it's in your body already; a small amount shouldn't hurt you. Of course, everything needs to be in balance and too much of anything is bad.
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Let me explain. No. Too long. Let me sum up:
(http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lpb3bi1EZS1qj4mo9o1_500.jpg)
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Why is so much of the health news starting to resemble a Junji Ito Manga?
Why?
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I'll admit, McDonald's does use grade A US beef. I've known this for a long time.
Long ago I though they were good. Once they swapped to this "made fresher" system in the 90's the taste changed and became blanner and more disgusting.
On the off occasion I do go, I ask them to nuke my burger for a bit. Seems microwaving it blends the flavors and makes it taste a bit more appealing
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On an only sort of related note: McDonalds is offering the Shamrock Shake at most of its restaurants this year! I'm gonna see if I can find one! :D
Also, I'm sure some of you have already seen this, Jamie Oliver's failed chicken nugget experiment.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9B7im8aQjo
I mention this, because I want to point out something that bugs me. The assumption that because the processed meat slurry he uses comes from less desirable parts of the chicken, that it is bad. But this stuff has a greater range of nutrients in it than solid muscle meat, because it incorporates the organs and skin and tendons and marrow.
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Mmm...delicious marrow...
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That thar slurry's good eatin'!
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And now we get this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFqfReT6BIU
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And now we get this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFqfReT6BIU
Things bugging me:
- Ammonia - Adding stuff to kill viruses and bacteria. Why would tendons and membranes need more treatment for germs than ground beef made from fat and muscle? Or, for that matter, why would ground beef need less?
- Dog food. There's no real reason humans can't eat dog-food grade beef, they just don't want to because it's not as tasty or tender. Saying humans 'aren't meant to' eat something we feed our pets is implying it's okay to feed animals things that will harm them.
- 'Meat'. This term includes tendons and offal, sorry guys.
- Teeming with bacteria. What is being done to these scraps that makes them so much dirtier than the muscle meat used to make ground beef or other processed meat products?
- Filled up with chemicals. I'm not really hearing any numbers or studies here, just this emphatic ranting about additives in the food, when we have 'seasoned' pork chops and chicken that have been pre-treated with preservative salts to keep them fresh longer.
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People seem to forget that in most parts of the world, people eat all the animal parts we typically discard in America, including the animal's skin, organs, tendons, bone marrow, etc. Everything from a chicken's feet to a cow's lower intestines. There's nothing inherently wrong with eating any given part of an animal so long as it's treated well.
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People seem to forget that in most parts of the world, people eat all the animal parts we typically discard in America, including the animal's skin, organs, tendons, bone marrow, etc. Everything from a chicken's feet to a cow's lower intestines. There's nothing inherently wrong with eating any given part of an animal so long as it's treated well.
Essentially this.
There's a lot of snobbery towards things that are made from ends and pieces and stuff like that.
Americans actually tend to waste a lot of the meat and stuff.
Besides, marrow isn't bad for you >_> except when prepared wrong.
I'll file this under "Unnecessary food panic"
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Hell, it's been proposed a large part of the reason we became tool-using animals was to get at the marrow from other animals' kills (since short of hyenas, most animals don't have the jaw strength to get in there).
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After giving this thought... hell, it can't be worse than what a Vienna sausage is made of. I like them... so... *Shrugs*
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After giving this thought... hell, it can't be worse than what a Vienna sausage is made of. I like them... so... *Shrugs*
The entire reason sausage was invented was to use the less desirable parts of the animals. No one wants intestines or the tough bits, but if you grind up those tough bits, throw in some seasoning, and stuff it inside the intestines, suddenly it's something half the world can't live without.
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Mmm...delicious marrow...
Yeah, the guy talked about marrow like it was a bad thing.
And what exactly is the stabilizer that he mentions that it should be so naturally unpleasant? The concept doesn’t sound any different than adding a bit of extra flour to thicken up your homemade gravy.
Does the process look unpleasant? To some, perhaps. But like others before me, I gotta say that that does not mean the end result itself is bad. Personally, I think the most distasteful part would have been the actual slaughtering of the chicken. And that doesn’t keep me from eating it, whether it is a drumstick, breast, or even a processed nugget.
I would think of fast food industries of all places decided to ban it, that says something right there. This stuff can't be good for the kids.
From what I have read, fast food places dropped it because of public pressure, not because of any known hazard.
After giving this thought... hell, it can't be worse than what a Vienna sausage is made of. I like them... so... *Shrugs*
The entire reason sausage was invented was to use the less desirable parts of the animals. No one wants intestines or the tough bits, but if you grind up those tough bits, throw in some seasoning, and stuff it inside the intestines, suddenly it's something half the world can't live without.
Go figure on that. ::)
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Hell, to the people who look at a food and say "That looks like it's disgusting, unnatural, just like play-doh. It is therefore bad at you"
Have you ever seen the food after you're done chewing it? Quite frankly, play-doh would look more appetizing.
We haven't even gotten to the rest of the digestive process.
I honestly get tired of these food panics. Oh, panicking over stuff like "Hey, this batch of ground beef has been discovered to have salmonella" is understandable. Fearmongering over rumors like "ASPARTAME CAUSES CANCER" is just stupid.
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Why the hell are chickens being feed this shit??
I thought chickens were insectivores. Beef =/= insects.
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Chickens will eat anything they can find. Seeds, berries, bugs, worms, small vertibrates, other animals' eggs. And protein meal made from meat industry by-products.
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After giving this thought... hell, it can't be worse than what a Vienna sausage is made of. I like them... so... *Shrugs*
The entire reason sausage was invented was to use the less desirable parts of the animals. No one wants intestines or the tough bits, but if you grind up those tough bits, throw in some seasoning, and stuff it inside the intestines, suddenly it's something half the world can't live without.
Its moments when I read about "Pink Slime" and "what goes into a sausage" that I'm glad I'm a vegetarian. (and no, its not so much about safe the animals as it is about health).
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After giving this thought... hell, it can't be worse than what a Vienna sausage is made of. I like them... so... *Shrugs*
The entire reason sausage was invented was to use the less desirable parts of the animals. No one wants intestines or the tough bits, but if you grind up those tough bits, throw in some seasoning, and stuff it inside the intestines, suddenly it's something half the world can't live without.
Its moments when I read about "Pink Slime" and "what goes into a sausage" that I'm glad I'm a vegetarian. (and no, its not so much about safe the animals as it is about health).
But... these things aren't unhealthy. They're just difficult to eat normally, or unappetizing. So, by grinding them down, adding seasoning, and stuffing them into another unappetizing part of the animal, more of the animal is used and less is wasted.
The practice of barbequing has similar roots. Cuts of meat like the brisket are normally very tough and hard to eat. But if you cook them at a relatively low temperature for a longer period of time, it acts to tenderize the meat.
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BBQ actually has a more...sinister origin.
Ironbite-it was the preferred cooking method of longpork
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longpork... AKA humans.
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After giving this thought... hell, it can't be worse than what a Vienna sausage is made of. I like them... so... *Shrugs*
Nothing beats a natural casing vienna over a flame to make the skin crisp and give it that little snap when you bite down
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Mmmmm... Them's good entrails!
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I'm starting to think I may actually prefer normal hot dogs over kosher dogs O_o
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Those Hebrew Nationals are pretty good, IMO.
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Those Hebrew Nationals are pretty good, IMO.
I guess I'm not cooking them right then.
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*shrugs* Some people like different things when it comes to a wiener.
Yes, I know that can be taken so out of context.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Izr3Cidaz1M
The only slightly relevant thing I have to say anymore.
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When it comes to hot dogs, I kind of prefer Ballpark Franks. Not the all-beef kind, the everything kind. All-beef ones just taste bland to me.
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Ballparks in general are bland.
I am a bit biased against them though. That's all my mother knew how to cook along with mac n cheese.
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Ballparks in general are bland.
I am a bit biased against them though. That's all my mother knew how to cook along with mac n cheese.
That'd make anyone sick of anything @_x
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Ballparks in general are bland.
I am a bit biased against them though. That's all my mother knew how to cook along with mac n cheese.
That'd make anyone sick of anything @_x
No kidding. I haven't been able to eat spaghetti in 10 years after this one time my mom made it like every other day for a month. Just the thought STILL churns my stomach.
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Eh, I hate hot dogs. Italian sausage or chicken sausage, though, fried to a gorgeous bubbly brownness...
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Okay, it's official, I hate kosher dogs.
Which is funny because I actually fell in love with them not too long ago XD
Eh. No one's died or gotten cancer from digesting non-kosher dogs.