FBI says Online Privacy = Pro Terrorism

[Captain Jack Harkness]

Here you are.

[ironbite]

Wow is that not retarded at all.

Ironbite-who crafted this piece of stupid?

[Captain Jack Harkness]

I think the biggest problem with the flyer is that while it means well, it's poorly worded/crafted - in some parts, at least.  If you combine this with distributing it to people who know fuck all about computers and security, and you have a dangerous mix.

To their credit, they advise against the companies/people taking matters into their own hands.  Yes, it means they'll have law enforcement conducting the investigation, but I would imagine that actual law enforcement is better at assessing threats.  Yes, I know it's an invasion of privacy and you can throw all that stuff at me, but hopefully the FBI is smart enough to throw out cases of people who aren't threats.

• Do not collect metadata, content, or
  search electronic communications of
  individuals
• Do not do additional logging of on-
  line activity or monitor
  communications

[Damen]

There you go, kids.

[MadCatTLX]

Hell, I do the majority of that stuff in the computer section and I'm not a terrorist. If people can tell your paranoid about privacy then your doing it wrong. I've seen people use the encryption software the government uses for top-secret file to hide their porn stash .

Off-topic: I have a copy of the Anarchist Cookbook but keep it more because it pisses people off that I have it, and is an expression of ever shrinking 1st amendment rights. I have no intention of using, especially since I've been told most of the stuff in it will get you killed or is complete bullshit. Having read through it I have to say even with my limited knowledge on some of the subjects it covers, it is indeed more dangerous to any would-be terrorist than their target. Some people (see: conspiracy theorists) say it was actually created by the FBI to minimize threats of idiots who would use it and the problems would take care of themselves. If someone is stupid enough to actually try that shit, natural selection will deal with it faster than the FBI can. It actually talks about the "bananadyne" drug myth as if it was real despite it being proved bullshit even at the time of writing.

Never mind that have an interest in military stuff for whatever reason, other people have obsessions about trains(I think trains are cool myself, but I'm nowhere near as devoted as a lot of people are).

(I'll apologize in advance if the thread gets derailed, this just happens tobe a bit of a sore spot for my as this crap would affect me, but I don't get on the internet in internet cafes.)

[Shane for Wax]

Good to know I'm a terrorist because of my writing that requires me to look up military stuff as well as the fact my schooling caused me to look up police and military tactics, and other subjects.

On the other hand it makes a point to say that those things on their own aren't suspicious.

The Comcast and AOL stuff confuses me tho.

[N. De Plume]

I never said it was perfect. Still, you have to look at the sum of the activities, rather than any single activity.  This would include activity beyond the computer, which the flyer lists.

Because the lay person is so good at looking at the sum of activities rather than just jumping to a conclusion based on the one or two small things he or she might remember from the flier he or she read a couple of days ago.

[MadCatTLX]

I never said it was perfect. Still, you have to look at the sum of the activities, rather than any single activity.  This would include activity beyond the computer, which the flyer lists.

Because the lay person is so good at looking at the sum of activities rather than just jumping to a conclusion based on the one or two small things he or she might remember from the flier he or she read a couple of days ago.

Exactly, I have a feeling this will cause more trouble than it prevents. A terrorist is generally going to know how to be discreet. This thing won't stop a real terrorist, just harass innocent people who are trying to avoid identity theft or are armchair generals.

[Stormwarden]

Hey, Fucked Be I? When you turn to Joe "Ooga booga booga booga" McCarthy for national security advice, it's time to turn in the badge and gun and seek professional help. BS like this is going to lead to a horde of false tips that'll turn up bupkis. In fact, I dare say that this "advice" won't even make us any safer.

Sorry, but I have to tell whoever wrote that flyer, to go fuck him or herself. Because hell no. I'm not giving up my liberties for any form of security. Because I know well enough that I won't gain either, and I'll lose both. A big thanks to Ben Franklin for that most enlightening lesson. In fact, I think if I see that flyer, I'll use it as toilet paper just so it won't be a complete waste of wood pulp.

[MadCatTLX]

Hey, Fucked Be I? When you turn to Joe "Ooga booga booga booga" McCarthy for national security advice, it's time to turn in the badge and gun and seek professional help. BS like this is going to lead to a horde of false tips that'll turn up bupkis. In fact, I dare say that this "advice" won't even make us any safer.

Sorry, but I have to tell whoever wrote that flyer, to go fuck him or herself. Because hell no. I'm not giving up my liberties for any form of security. Because I know well enough that I won't gain either, and I'll lose both. A big thanks to Ben Franklin for that most enlightening lesson. In fact, I think if I see that flyer, I'll use it as toilet paper just so it won't be a complete waste of wood pulp.

You would insult you ass like that?

[RavynousHunter]

I...hmm?  I used to encode, and later encrypt, (using software I wrote myself, no less) my porn stash when I was relegated to using my dad or brother's computers because it'd be really awkward to have them just kinda...stumble the fuck across it.  I'm sure they knew I had my own stuff, but...yeah.

I also have an active interest in military strategy and weaponry because I'm an aspiring game designer, and these topics fascinate me.

Also, a tendency to pay with cash?  Really?  I've only had an ATM card once in my life, and I honestly preferred cash.  Its easy to keep track of, and I don't have to worry about some dickhead bank deciding to nickle-and-dime me out of everything I have.  That, and as the booklet to GTA: Vice City said, "it looks good."

[nickiknack]

[largeham]

Lolwut? Ohnoes, I can't look up military tactics during the Seven Years War because I'm planning to attack the White House with muskets. Save me Frederick!

[Stormwarden]

Me? I don't use credit or debit cards. Cash only keeps me honest to myself about what I can afford to budget, and keeping my websurfing private is just plain common sense, especially since I don't want my identity stolen. How far have we fallen when they start suspecting common sense?

[StallChaser]

From the flyer, the "People Who" first part of the flyer is reasonable however the last 2 bolded topics are less reasonable IMO.  I mean under "Activities on computer" the last one is  "Communicating through a PC Game" When did talking over WoW or Vent while playing a PC game = Terrorist?

I saw a guy on one of those multiplayer game thingies saying "buff me" saying things about "DPS".  Is that a government agency they wanted to attack?  At the time, I didn't realize how much my life was in danger...