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Re: Why Dan Savage and co. are wrong about homophobia
« Reply #15 on: May 15, 2012, 01:49:22 pm »
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Re: Why Dan Savage and co. are wrong about homophobia
« Reply #16 on: May 15, 2012, 03:19:15 pm »
When will people learn that Savage is a monstrous person?

Dan Savage is a lesbophobic, biphobic, transphobic, sexist, ableist, sizeist, racist, aceist and insensitive bigot. There, is there anything I missed?

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Re: Why Dan Savage and co. are wrong about homophobia
« Reply #17 on: May 15, 2012, 03:27:41 pm »
I'm gay and go fuck yourself, Savage.
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Re: Why Dan Savage and co. are wrong about homophobia
« Reply #18 on: May 15, 2012, 05:49:43 pm »
When will people learn that Savage is a monstrous person?

Dan Savage is a lesbophobic, biphobic, transphobic, sexist, ableist, sizeist, racist, aceist and insensitive bigot. There, is there anything I missed?
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That, and being a horrible person doesn't mean you can't start something with a postive effect. Though I can only think of one offhand...

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Re: Why Dan Savage and co. are wrong about homophobia
« Reply #19 on: May 15, 2012, 06:05:38 pm »
Bad people come in all shapes, sizes, genders, orientations, creeds, and backgrounds.  If a group doesn't seem to have at least one asshole in it, you aren't looking hard enough.
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Re: Why Dan Savage and co. are wrong about homophobia
« Reply #20 on: May 15, 2012, 07:31:19 pm »
As much as we don't want to admit it, there are assholes in our neck of the woods too. If I remember correctly, think there are actually a few atheist fundies who made it to the mainpage, including one man who advocated the mass genocide and sterilization of all theists.
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Re: Why Dan Savage and co. are wrong about homophobia
« Reply #21 on: May 15, 2012, 07:32:35 pm »
As much as we don't want to admit it, there are assholes in our neck of the woods too. If I remember correctly, think there are actually a few atheist fundies who made it to the mainpage, including one man who advocated the mass genocide and sterilization of all theists.

Oh I know one of they guys who made it on the mainpage. Yeah, he's just a nihilist asshole (and he's gay which makes it worse).
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Re: Why Dan Savage and co. are wrong about homophobia
« Reply #22 on: May 15, 2012, 07:36:17 pm »
I'm a moral nihilist (although I prefer "amoralist"), I suppose, and it's kinda frustrating when there are so many self-proclaimed nihilists who just picked a name because they thought it sounded so edgy and cool. And then they quote Machiavelli or some misunderstood author and proclaim how evolved their mind is compared to all the theist troglodyte scum.
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Re: Why Dan Savage and co. are wrong about homophobia
« Reply #23 on: May 15, 2012, 07:54:33 pm »
When will people learn that Savage is a monstrous person?

Dan Savage is a lesbophobic, biphobic, transphobic, sexist, ableist, sizeist, racist, aceist and insensitive bigot. There, is there anything I missed?
An excellent example of how being queer doesn't make you a good person?

That, and being a horrible person doesn't mean you can't start something with a postive effect. Though I can only think of one offhand...

While that's true, being a horrible person and trying to start a positive effect... the former interferes with the latter and makes it hard for people to take it seriously.

Especially when it crashes and burns in tragic ways :-/
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Re: Why Dan Savage and co. are wrong about homophobia
« Reply #24 on: May 15, 2012, 09:19:00 pm »
I'm a moral nihilist (although I prefer "amoralist"), I suppose, and it's kinda frustrating when there are so many self-proclaimed nihilists who just picked a name because they thought it sounded so edgy and cool. And then they quote Machiavelli or some misunderstood author and proclaim how evolved their mind is compared to all the theist troglodyte scum.

Kinda like the term anarchist.

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Re: Why Dan Savage and co. are wrong about homophobia
« Reply #25 on: May 20, 2012, 11:21:50 pm »
sorry to  interupt this Dan Savage hate fest where Dan Savage gets made into Gay Hitler who hates transgender people and eats babies and what not but...

the thread title and the graph title seems  a bit misleading and maybe I missed where someone else pointed this out.

For one thing I don't see where in the graph where it adjusted for population.

Also the source doesn't seem to agree that race wasn't a significant factor

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When controlling for all other variables, race (being African-American or Latin@) contributed significantly to one’s likelihood to oppose marriage equality. However, so did age, religiosity, party identification and alignment:

So race was a factor. It just wasn't as significant a factor.  (and remember Blacks who voted for Prop 8 didn't do so because they were black.  They did so because they were socially conservative CHRISTIANS)

And then we have this....

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But an analysis of precinct-level voting data on Prop. 8 from Alameda, Los Angeles, Sacramento, San Diego and San Francisco counties, which are home to nearly two-thirds of California's black voters, suggested that African American support for Prop. 8 was more likely about 58 percent.

That support among blacks is still well above the 52 percent Prop. 8 received from all voters in the Nov. 4 election. Much of that can be attributed to the strong religious tradition in the black community, where 57 percent of African American voters attend church at least once a week, compared with 42 percent of Californians overall.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/01/06/BANB154OS1.DTL

so yeah religion played a much bigger part then race.  But the overwhelming majority of black  americans are deeply religious so we can't quite act as if the two are unrelated.

(though as I said long ago when Prop 8 was passed,  I think it's more important to focus on the 30% now 42% of black voters that don't seem to hate gay people)

There isn't as much homophobia among the African American community as originally portrayed.  Yay!    But there is definitely still quite a bit. and part of the problem is that many black americans do not see gay marriage as a civil rights issue.

Not to mention Dan Savage doesn't even believe that Prop 8 was passed because black voters anymore.  SSo you're blasting him for a position he doesn't have anymore.
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Re: Why Dan Savage and co. are wrong about homophobia
« Reply #26 on: May 21, 2012, 12:22:42 am »
sorry to  interupt this Dan Savage hate fest where Dan Savage gets made into Gay Hitler who hates transgender people and eats babies and what not but...

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Re: Why Dan Savage and co. are wrong about homophobia
« Reply #27 on: May 21, 2012, 02:15:19 am »
sorry to  interupt this Dan Savage hate fest where Dan Savage gets made into Gay Hitler who hates transgender people and eats babies and what not but...

What.

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Re: Why Dan Savage and co. are wrong about homophobia
« Reply #28 on: May 21, 2012, 02:33:46 am »
sorry to  interupt this Dan Savage hate fest where Dan Savage gets made into Gay Hitler who hates transgender people and eats babies and what not but...

What.

I think these are the kinds of comments that Booley speaks of.

Jesus, does Dan Savage even listen to a word that comes out of his pseudo-liberal, racist mouth?
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Aceist?

Not to mention the whole host of other threads where simply mentioning the two words "Dan" and "Savage" in the same sentence devolves the thread into who can insult the man the most and bring up the most misinterpreted things Savage has said in the most distant of pasts.

And I'm sorry if I come across as snide. I do not intend to. I just don't believe Savage to be this horrific person that so many of us say he is and feel there may be a bit of a hive mentality (ironically, among those of us who mock fundamentalists) when it comes to the guy.

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Re: Why Dan Savage and co. are wrong about homophobia
« Reply #29 on: May 21, 2012, 02:37:30 am »
Meh, I just find it simpler and more concise to call 'im an asshole.  No need for so many...descriptors.  Asshole works perfectly.
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