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Re: The sequel to Mississippi redneck, NY welfare leeches
« Reply #30 on: March 19, 2012, 06:53:10 pm »
Do these idiots know that when they say things like this and abuse the system, they just fire up conservative folks to end the system? Even if they do abuse it (which they do), do they need to boast about it?

:Waits to see this come November as a GOP commercial:

Take it up with Alexandra Pelosi, with this hasty made video. She did because she wanted to be "fair" and show both sides. And yes, one can clearly see that it was made in a haste. In the MS one, it seems to be a bit more in depth, this one seems to be very shallow, and it doesn't even acknowledge that there are cut off dates and requirements, and just in my opinion adds more fuel to the fire.

I hate to say it but from living. Missouri I have seen folks from both videos.  I have to deal with them everyday.

Not everyone who is poor is like this.  But then the ones who aren't fuck ups don't stand out by definition.

Welfare does need to be reformed.  Problem is cons have controlled the debate and what they mean by reform is end.  Which puts liberals in the position of defending a crappy system because it's still better then the alternative conservatives want (for others anyway)

1. I'll put this up again, it was reformed in 1996, is it full proof, no, are there still some cheats around, yes but there is always going some who play the system no matter what, but those people are an extremely small minority compared to the rest of those on the program.

2. Not recognizing that reform made to welfare in 1996 is what the right wants people to do, and people keep falling for it all the time, even "liberals". Was there a better way of going about reform, yes but that's never going to happen in this country because the right are always in control of the debate, and our mainstream "left" party is center-right in reality, and too busy trying to get the votes of the people who will never vote for them to begin with.

3. Also what Alexandra Pelosi did was a hasty made video just to appease the right wing due to blowback she got from the Mississippi video (Shit, at least the people in the Mississippi video, one could feel pity for them). She has a shitload money, she has connections(Afterall, she is Nancy Pelosi's daughter) to do something meaning full, but she'll probably sit back, snicker and count her money like a rightwing stereotype of rich liberals.
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Re: The sequel to Mississippi redneck, NY welfare leeches
« Reply #31 on: March 19, 2012, 08:27:15 pm »
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1. I'll put this up again, it was reformed in 1996

Ok I think you misunderstood me.,

I didn't say it hadn't been changed and we called that "reform". I said it needed reform.  As in the change they did didn't work (at least from the left's POV). In part because Clinton and the Dems were trying to triangulate the GOP and so much of this ended up stealing conservative ideas.

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3. Also what Alexandra Pelosi did was a hasty made video just to appease the right wing due to blowback she got from the Mississippi video (Shit, at least the people in the Mississippi video, one could feel pity for them).....

My understanding is that it was always the plan to show both of these side by side.  Yes, maybe I misremember but I could have sworn that maher they would be showing poor people in blue states when they originally aired the mississippi video.

Not that I agree with maher or pelosi that if you "piss off both sides" you must be doing something right.  That's a logical fallacy.

But  again I think you misunderstood me.  I see people like those in BOTH videos.

 I see stalwart republicans who say vote God, Gays and Guns and rant about the evil socialist system while sitting comfortably in their hover rounds provided by medicare dollars.

And I see people who game the system, who think others should support them and lie to get it rather then work

Hell, some of them are the same people.

Hasty response or not, this does not seem invalid with my own experiences.
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Re: The sequel to Mississippi redneck, NY welfare leeches
« Reply #32 on: March 19, 2012, 09:03:43 pm »
I agree that it should've been reformed in a better way, but as I said it's not going to happen as long as we have a Democratic party that would rather be republican lite than a real "left" or even a center-left party. Clinton is nothing more than neo-liberal scum, just like what most of the party has become, which is the real crime. I'm sorry for misunderstanding you.
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