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Re: Affording college just got harder
« Reply #15 on: July 01, 2012, 06:47:09 pm »
Aside: The linked story from that article about the guy banned from taking the bar exam is outrageous.

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Re: Affording college just got harder
« Reply #16 on: July 01, 2012, 09:03:07 pm »
Depends on what you mean by average, I guess. On average, college graduates earn more than those who only hold a high school diploma. Exactly how much more depends on whose estimates you view. I think this is a good read that fairly summarizes both sides of the argument.

That link also demonstrates why gross income is only one variable in the equation. It also shows that that one variable is dependent on other variables—specifically the major. Seems to me that there is a possibility that a handful of outlier majors could be bringing the average income up. Which is why you also need to look at the median case, as well as the mode. Only then can you even begin to get an idea of what is actually typical.

In any case, I certainly don’t hold with measuring the worth of anything solely by its financial value.

Er, I was using the link to recognize that both sides have a valid argument -- that while there are some instances where college isn't worth it, there are plenty of other instances where it most certainly is (going beyond financial value). Overall, it is dependent upon the individual's choices, goals, and capabilities (financially, mentally, and otherwise).
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Re: Affording college just got harder
« Reply #17 on: July 01, 2012, 10:26:56 pm »
Depends on what you mean by average, I guess. On average, college graduates earn more than those who only hold a high school diploma. Exactly how much more depends on whose estimates you view. I think this is a good read that fairly summarizes both sides of the argument.

That link also demonstrates why gross income is only one variable in the equation. It also shows that that one variable is dependent on other variables—specifically the major. Seems to me that there is a possibility that a handful of outlier majors could be bringing the average income up. Which is why you also need to look at the median case, as well as the mode. Only then can you even begin to get an idea of what is actually typical.

In any case, I certainly don’t hold with measuring the worth of anything solely by its financial value.

Er, I was using the link to recognize that both sides have a valid argument -- that while there are some instances where college isn't worth it, there are plenty of other instances where it most certainly is (going beyond financial value). Overall, it is dependent upon the individual's choices, goals, and capabilities (financially, mentally, and otherwise).

I don’t deny that the answer to, “Is college worth it” is context sensitive. It just seems to me that that the context where the answer is “Yes” is getting distressingly narrow.
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Re: Affording college just got harder
« Reply #18 on: July 01, 2012, 10:30:08 pm »
You would think America would put more value on college educations in the middle of such a large reccesion.

You would think America would do a lot of things it doesn't. :/

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Re: Affording college just got harder
« Reply #19 on: July 01, 2012, 11:32:10 pm »
You would think America would put more value on college educations in the middle of such a large reccesion.

You would think America would do a lot of things it doesn't. :/
So maybe we should drop this fantasy bullshit and start being surprised when this country does something good?
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Re: Affording college just got harder
« Reply #20 on: July 03, 2012, 08:46:06 am »
Depends on what you mean by average, I guess. On average, college graduates earn more than those who only hold a high school diploma. Exactly how much more depends on whose estimates you view. I think this is a good read that fairly summarizes both sides of the argument.

That link also demonstrates why gross income is only one variable in the equation. It also shows that that one variable is dependent on other variables—specifically the major. Seems to me that there is a possibility that a handful of outlier majors could be bringing the average income up. Which is why you also need to look at the median case, as well as the mode. Only then can you even begin to get an idea of what is actually typical.

In any case, I certainly don’t hold with measuring the worth of anything solely by its financial value.

Er, I was using the link to recognize that both sides have a valid argument -- that while there are some instances where college isn't worth it, there are plenty of other instances where it most certainly is (going beyond financial value). Overall, it is dependent upon the individual's choices, goals, and capabilities (financially, mentally, and otherwise).

I don’t deny that the answer to, “Is college worth it” is context sensitive. It just seems to me that that the context where the answer is “Yes” is getting distressingly narrow.

A lot of that is rising tuition costs and unfair laws about student loans, coupled with slashed state education budgets, which affect universities as much as they do K-12 schools.

A college education is a wonderful thing, and everyone should have the chance to at least try for a degree.  However, for this to happen, there need to be low-cost options.  2-year community colleges used to be a wonderful option, but since they, too, rely on state education budgets, they're just as susceptible to skyrocketing tuition.
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Re: Affording college just got harder
« Reply #21 on: July 04, 2012, 12:51:14 pm »
I think some people are fairly ignorant of how useful community college can be. Some misconceptions I've heard are:

1. If you attend a community college, you're stuck there and unable to get a four-year degree.

2. It's just as expensive as a university.

3. Only deadbeats attend community college.

I know tuition varies, but if you find the right community college with low tuition, you save yourself a LOT of money and debt by earning your two-year degree there and then transferring it to a four-year college. It's a more relaxed atmosphere and a good place to complete your gen eds. While my community college probably contained a higher percentage of folks who would either not attend class or immediately drop the class, it still had folks who were serious about their degree. I wonder why more people don't take advantage of transfer programs.
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Re: Affording college just got harder
« Reply #22 on: July 04, 2012, 01:33:17 pm »
I think some people are fairly ignorant of how useful community college can be. Some misconceptions I've heard are:

1. If you attend a community college, you're stuck there and unable to get a four-year degree.

2. It's just as expensive as a university.

3. Only deadbeats attend community college.

I know tuition varies, but if you find the right community college with low tuition, you save yourself a LOT of money and debt by earning your two-year degree there and then transferring it to a four-year college. It's a more relaxed atmosphere and a good place to complete your gen eds. While my community college probably contained a higher percentage of folks who would either not attend class or immediately drop the class, it still had folks who were serious about their degree. I wonder why more people don't take advantage of transfer programs.
Last I checked, LA Community College is $38/unit, and San Diego's is about the same. Compared to what CA State Universities cost, I'd say it's a huge benefit, especially if you don't know what you want to major in once you're out of high school. Or if you're like me, and want a certification in a skill that doesn't necessarily require 4yrs of study.
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Re: Affording college just got harder
« Reply #23 on: July 05, 2012, 12:05:43 am »
I went to a community college solely to save money.  I could easily have gotten into a state school, but the price was so high that I thought it wasn't worth it, and I got a very good education still.
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Re: Affording college just got harder
« Reply #24 on: July 05, 2012, 12:12:50 am »
I have two Humanities tertiary degrees; no job skills.

Now doing a business course at a for-profit college and about to start a short course for Photoshop at a community college...
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