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Community => Religion and Philosophy => Topic started by: nickiknack on January 02, 2014, 05:13:29 pm
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The bill, H. 3526, would require teachers to lead a moment of silence at the beginning of each school day, during which the teacher would be allowed to deliver a prayer. Students who didn’t not want to participate would be allowed to leave the classroom.
The Supreme Court has held that teacher-led prayer constitutes a government endorsement of religion and violates the First Amendment of the Constitution.
The lawmakers said they were willing to compromise on that point.
“The compromise would be to have the students to pray to whomever they want to. If they want to do away with teachers conducting the prayer that would be fine with us. The essential part of the bill, the important part, is putting prayer back in school,” Gilliard told WCIV.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/01/02/south-carolina-democrats-back-bill-calling-for-mandatory-daily-prayers-in-public-schools/ (http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/01/02/south-carolina-democrats-back-bill-calling-for-mandatory-daily-prayers-in-public-schools/)
These people are just thick, aren't they?? Umm, people already pray to whatever they want to on their own time in public places. Making it mandatory has been ruled as a public endorsement, you idiots.
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They really don't understand the First Amendment do they?
Ironbite-this will get struck down so hard it won't even be funny.
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Good god, just have the moment of silence and don't have the teacher deliver a prayer. Then everyone can have a chance to do whatever the hell they want.
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When I was at primary school we used to have to say the lords prayer daily in assembly and I always felt bad for the kids that had to leave. It must have been kind of awkward for them.
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When I was at primary school we used to have to say the lords prayer daily in assembly and I always felt bad for the kids that had to leave. It must have been kind of awkward for them.
Depending on how long it was and the personalities of the students involved, it might've been the best part of their school day.
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Or the worst, because they're being treated as "different" and that tends to lead to bullying in elementary school.
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What's so damn difficult about praying in the hall before class starts, or in the morning before leaving for school, at in the afternoon when you get home, or during recess, or during lunch?
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Or during a test?
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When I was in my first year of middle school, GA started the "moment of silence" deal. As far as I'm aware, that's all it ever was. You could pray or whatever, but to talk during it was punishable since it was disrespectful to whatever whoever was using the silence for.
It's been many moons since I've been in school, so I have no idea what they do now, but I've not heard of anything different.
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I SO wish some teacher would have the guts to use this opportunity to lead a Satanic prayer. Hell, any prayer other than Christianity or Judaism would be fine, just to watch the fundies' heads explode.
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Hel, how about a prayer to Odin? Or Thor?
...Or even Loki?
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Hel, how about a prayer to Odin? Or Thor?
...Or even Loki?
"Oh great God of Mischief, would you please take a break from masquerading as the midgardian known as Tom Hiddleston, so I may have sexy times with you. Amen"
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When I was at primary school we used to have to say the lords prayer daily in assembly and I always felt bad for the kids that had to leave. It must have been kind of awkward for them.
Depending on how long it was and the personalities of the students involved, it might've been the best part of their school day.
The prayer itself didn't last that long, but there was always this awkward sort of silence while you waited for the three obviously not christian kids to leave.
Maybe i'm just projecting my own personality onto them, I was very shy and I would have been so embarrassed to have the whole schools attention focused on me for any reason.
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Waiting for the 5-4 (you know it will be 5-4 these days...) Supreme Court decision striking this down...
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I SO wish some teacher would have the guts to use this opportunity to lead a Satanic prayer. Hell, any prayer other than Christianity or Judaism would be fine, just to watch the fundies' heads explode.
"Students, a moment of silence while I read this verse from the Quran . . ."
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I SO wish some teacher would have the guts to use this opportunity to lead a Satanic prayer. Hell, any prayer other than Christianity or Judaism would be fine, just to watch the fundies' heads explode.
"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!"
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Ia, Ia?
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Cthulu ftagn!
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The bill, H. 3526, would require teachers to lead a moment of silence at the beginning of each school day, during which the teacher would be allowed to deliver a prayer. Students who didn’t not want to participate would be allowed to leave the classroom.
So there is a moment of silence. Which is OK, it gives religiously inclined people an opportunity to do their thing, but wouldn't a teacher delivering a prayer be counter the the silence part of this?
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Yeah, why spend money to improve SC's economy when you can challenge the constitution instead. And they say liberals don't read it.
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That's what they're hoping for anyways.
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Up in Ohio we had student led prayer during lunch time. Why can't they just do that? I don't get it.
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What part of "no government endorsement of religion" do they not understand? It's not "no government endorsement of just the one religion", it's no religion at all. What the fuck makes them think it's okay just because they say "oh, they can pray to whomever they want, so it's totally cool"? That's not even a valid loophole because they're still endorsing religion, regardless of quantity. Do they think they can just make up their own loopholes now?
Although this is American politics we're talking about, so that could well be the case, come to think of it.
To think that you people are the super power of not just the western world but the entire world in general is both scary and depressing.
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We used to earn that title, not just insist upon it. Perhaps, one day, we can earn it again.
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Hel, how about a prayer to Odin? Or Thor?
...Or even Loki?
"Oh great God of Mischief, would you please take a break from masquerading as the midgardian known as Tom Hiddleston, so I may have sexy times with you. Amen"
I kind of hate you right now. I just spit coffee on my screen.
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Someone praying out loud during a moment of silence is about as deep as the thinking gets in SC.
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Someone praying out loud during a moment of silence is about as deep as the thinking gets in SC.
It's really quite logical if you change the definition of "silence" to mean "everyone we don't agree with shutting up."
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They really don't understand the First Amendment do they?
Ironbite-this will get struck down so hard it won't even be funny.
And then the fundies can start whining about persecussion, that the US aren't a christian nation anymore, that evil libruls are tacking over etc etc.
That is the goal: the opportunity to complain.
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This whole debacle makes me wish that people who are actually persecuted for religious reasons would show up and scream at the fuckwad who introduced this godawful idea.
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At least it is a bi-partisan piece of shit bill. It was introduced and endorsed by 9 Democrats and 3 Republicans.
Way to cross party lines on such a needless law, guys.
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"Okay children, put your hands together and bow your heads so we may pray to the Sixteenth Six-Tooth Son of Fourteen Four-Regional Dimensions"
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You know he's a bit of a tosser really.
Ironbite-I know I wouldn't pray to him.
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If my school had one of these, it'd probably be too much for me to just ignore. I don't think I'd even leave. I think I'd do something like waiting for that dead silence before or after the prayer & going, "...You people know that there's no God, right?"
Also, hi, what about the teachers? Do these people only care about them when it pertains to some imaginary story about one being sued for having a Bible?
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If my school had one of these, it'd probably be too much for me to just ignore. I don't think I'd even leave. I think I'd do something like waiting for that dead silence before or after the prayer & going, "...You people know that there's no God, right?"
Also, hi, what about the teachers? Do these people only care about them when it pertains to some imaginary story about one being sued for having a Bible?
When I was at primary school we used to just chat through the prayers or change the words.
They weren't very good substitutions though. I used find it really amusing to say "daily newspaper" instead "daily bread". I don't know why though, because that's not funny at all. It's just rubbish.
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How about we make the Salat mandatory as well?
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I agree who wants to Dua
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The compromise would be to have the students to pray to whomever they want to.
So now kids can pray to the Christian version of God or the Catholic version of God. What progress!
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The compromise would be to have the students to pray to whomever they want to.
So now kids can pray to the Christian version of God or the Catholic version of God. What progress!
Fuck that! I'm prayin' to goddamn Mammaris, complete with a miniature with silky, sizeable, and snow-white boobs!
Prayer by way of motorboating! Sure, you'll look strange, but if you're gonna look strange while praying, may as well go all the way!
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So can we make sacrifices to the Aztec Gods or maybe do a prayer to Lord Samedi to live another day? Or even better, why not a prayer to Sekhmet or Shiva?
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So can we make sacrifices to the Aztec Gods or maybe do a prayer to Lord Samedi to live another day? Or even better, why not a prayer to Sekhmet or Shiva?
I call dibs on Anubis and Horus!
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What about yoni worship? That would really get the fundies riled up.
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I'd pray to Lord Helix.
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I'd pray to Lord Helix.
Well, you're not a Domeist... so you live.
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I think I'd do something like this:
#Invalid YouTube Link#
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Your youtube link is broken, bruh.
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Your youtube link is broken, bruh.
I think it means that when the praying session starts he will say "broken youtube link" and then just quietly drool with a blank look on his face untill the session is over.
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I think I'd do something like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9s5mF4KWBIM
Problem solved.
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i would pray to Eris and princess Luna.
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I am one of the people who still jokingly worships the great and mighty Arceus (http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Arceus_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29).
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If you're feeling really dangerous, then you can worship the Lady of Pain. Sure, you'll most likely get mazed, but at least you'll get out of a hell of a lot of school.
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Thanks for that, Art. I'm still only partially tech savvy.
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ALL HAIL THE HELIX FOSSIL!
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Glory to Lord Helix!
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Hail Lord Nyarlathotep! All glory to the Crawling Chaos! KNEEL BEFORE HIS MAJESTY!
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Io Eris! Io Io Eris!
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I swear, explaining constitutional law is more painful and aggravating than slamming my head against a brick wall. What's that? Teacher-led mandatory school prayer was declared unconstitutional decades ago? Well, let's introduce legislation to reinstate it. The Supreme Court struck down sodomy laws? Let's have Virginia's (former) attorney general argue that theirs should stay in place years later. Were these people just born stupid or did they have to practice to get that dumb?
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I swear, explaining constitutional law is more painful and aggravating than slamming my head against a brick wall. What's that? Teacher-led mandatory school prayer was declared unconstitutional decades ago? Well, let's introduce legislation to reinstate it. The Supreme Court struck down sodomy laws? Let's have Virginia's (former) attorney general argue that theirs should stay in place years later. Were these people just born stupid or did they have to practice to get that dumb?
They just think their interpretation of the Bible should trump the law. Which would be fine if they didn't keep trying to make it a reality.
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#YOLOSWAG420BLAZEIT
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Darkseid Is!
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ALL HAIL THE HELIX FOSSIL!
ANARCHY SHALL REIGN! RELEASE THE FALSE PROPHET!
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If I were a teacher in South Carolina, I would come in in a black cloak and hood, and begin delivering a prayer to the Four Chaos Gods, and wait for Faux Noise to throw a bitch fit.
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If I were a teacher in South Carolina, I would come in in a black cloak and hood, and begin delivering a prayer to the Four Chaos Gods, and wait for Faux Noise to throw a bitch fit.
I would pay money to see that.
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I'd attempt to summon Mehrunes Dagon and steal the souls of my students.
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Truly you heathens have never heard of the true faith of them all the mighty Arceus true creator of all.
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ALL HAIL THE HELIX FOSSIL!
ANARCHY SHALL REIGN! RELEASE THE FALSE PROPHET!
Just another day at Frequently Questioned Answers.
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A spiritu dominatus,
Domine, libra nos,
From the lighting and the tempest,
Our Emperor, deliver us.
From plague, temptation and war,
Our Emperor, deliver us,
From the scourge of the Kraken,
Our Emperor, deliver us.
From the blasphemy of the Fallen,
Our Emperor, deliver us,
From the begetting of daemons,
Our Emperor, deliver us,
From the curse of the mutant,
Our Emperor, deliver us,
A morte perpetua,
Domine, libra nos.
That thou wouldst bring them only death,
That thou shouldst spare none,
That thou shouldst pardon none
We beseech the, destroy them.
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I think you guys are trying too hard. South Carolina. For $15 get a copy of the Koran, find a couple passages you can easily memorize, then have fun. Pagan religions are bad, but Islam is scary.
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I think you guys are trying too hard. South Carolina. For $15 get a copy of the Koran, find a couple passages you can easily memorize, then have fun. Pagan religions are bad, but Islam is scary.
Better yet: Find some Bible quotes they aren't likely to know and use those. I know one of the psalms is addressed to Babylon and ends with, "Blessed will be they who smash your little ones' heads against the wall!"
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I think you guys are trying too hard. South Carolina. For $15 get a copy of the Koran, find a couple passages you can easily memorize, then have fun. Pagan religions are bad, but Islam is scary.
Hard Mode: start preaching the Koran in a church, and avoid getting shot
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I think you guys are trying too hard. South Carolina. For $15 get a copy of the Koran, find a couple passages you can easily memorize, then have fun. Pagan religions are bad, but Islam is scary.
Hard Mode: start preaching the Koran in a church, and avoid getting shot
A bible fucker church, otherwise you'll just seem terribly confused.
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Go into a church, preach the Koran without telling them it's the Koran, maybe change the names, and see how long it takes before anyone figures it out.