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Community => Religion and Philosophy => Topic started by: Rabbit of Caerbannog on March 13, 2013, 02:23:23 pm
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Well, the billowing white smoke from the Sistine Chapel makes it official: the 266th Pope has been elected (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/14/world/europe/cardinals-elect-new-pope.html?_r=0). The identity of the Pope as well as his papal name has yet to be revealed, but I will update the thread as soon as the information is announced.
And the winner is:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4d/Card._Jorge_Bergoglio_SJ,_2008.jpg/220px-Card._Jorge_Bergoglio_SJ,_2008.jpg)
This guy, Cardinal Bergoglio from Argentina.
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Pope To Be Announced? a bit peculiar but not any weirder than somebody called Ratzinger.
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I heard it was a guy named Eddie.
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Izzard?
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Izzard?
No, Vedder. He is Pope Even Flow I.
...I grew up in the '90s.
EDIT: Personally I hope it ends up being Pope Benedict with a fake mustache--you know, to troll everyone.
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Elect someone with boobs!
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I heard that his papal name is going to be Pope Mark II.
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So they elect a pope from South America and somehow it's still another old white guy. What the shit?
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"Bergoglio" sounds like an Italian name too. What do we know about this guy?
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"Bergoglio" sounds like an Italian name too. What do we know about this guy?
He's a 2nd generation Italian immigrant. I.E. Italian parents.
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he also conspired with the military junta to kidnap to Jesuit priests
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"Bergoglio" sounds like an Italian name too. What do we know about this guy?
Well he hates teh gay for one thing. He said that gay couples being allowed to adopt was a form of discrimination against children (http://ncronline.org/blogs/ncr-today/papabile-day-men-who-could-be-pope-13).
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he also conspired with the military junta to kidnap to Jesuit priests
He was accused of this, and nothing has been proven legally.
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he also conspired with the military junta to kidnap to Jesuit priests
According to Wikipedia (with a source) no evidence was ever presented linking him to that accusation.
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he also conspired with the military junta to kidnap to Jesuit priests
He was accused of this, and nothing has been proven legally.
Sneaky bastard, getting in there whilst I was typing! Naughty.
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"Bergoglio" sounds like an Italian name too. What do we know about this guy?
Well he hates teh gay for one thing. He said that gay couples being allowed to adopt was a form of discrimination against children (http://ncronline.org/blogs/ncr-today/papabile-day-men-who-could-be-pope-13).
Well isn't hating teh gay always a requirement??
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Well since Argentina is the most gay friendly nation I figured maybe slight chance he likes them but now
Meet the new boss and according to BBC Pope Francis
Born Jorge Mario Bergoglio on 17 December 1936 (age 76) in Buenos Aires, of Italian descent
Ordained as a Jesuit in 1969
Studied in Argentina and Germany
Became Cardinal of Buenos Aires in 1998
Seen as orthodox on sexual matters but strong on social justice
Same as he old boss
Also he's not really as Latino as people would have liked
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Well since Argentina is the most gay friendly nation I figured maybe slight chance he likes them but now
Meet the new boss and according to BBC Pope Francis
Born Jorge Mario Bergoglio on 17 December 1936 (age 76) in Buenos Aires, of Italian descent
Ordained as a Jesuit in 1969
Studied in Argentina and Germany
Became Cardinal of Buenos Aires in 1998
Seen as orthodox on sexual matters but strong on social justice
Same as he old boss
Also he's not really as Latino as people would have liked
Hence my "another old white guy" reaction.
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"Bergoglio" sounds like an Italian name too. What do we know about this guy?
Well he hates teh gay for one thing. He said that gay couples being allowed to adopt was a form of discrimination against children (http://ncronline.org/blogs/ncr-today/papabile-day-men-who-could-be-pope-13).
Well isn't hating teh gay always a requirement??
Of course. But I liked the "discrimination against kids" angle.
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"Bergoglio" sounds like an Italian name too. What do we know about this guy?
Well he hates teh gay for one thing. He said that gay couples being allowed to adopt was a form of discrimination against children (http://ncronline.org/blogs/ncr-today/papabile-day-men-who-could-be-pope-13).
Well isn't hating teh gay always a requirement??
Of course. But I liked the "discrimination against kids" angle.
Yes, that's new to me.
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I like that he took the name Francis. I can't wait to tell my dad; his middle name is Francis and he haaaaaates it.
Oh, and he's a Jesuit? Jack Chick must be plotzing right now.
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I like that he took the name Francis. I can't wait to tell my dad; his middle name is Francis and he haaaaaates it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eX-OUpeJa4
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He looks Popey.
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Congratulation Catholic Church! You have now moved into the 2nd Century!
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Are people really that surprised that the new pope is pretty much like the last pope?
That's like saying well I hope the new Darth takes it a little easier on the whole dark side thing.
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Are people really that surprised that the new pope is pretty much like the last pope?
That's like saying well I hope the new Darth takes it a little easier on the whole dark side thing.
Well, I don't know if Benedict took the bus to work, made his own meals, visited slums or ever made a speech lambasting others in the upper echelons of the Church for living ostentatiously and forgetting that Jesus bathed lepers and ate with prostitutes.
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Can we stop calling the pope a darth, and saying that they belong to the dark side, it's insulting to the sith.
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Congratulation Catholic Church! You have now moved into the 2nd Century!
At least this guy says that gays should be accepted with respect and kindness. He just REALLY doesn't want them around children or being allowed to spread.
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Congratulation Catholic Church! You have now moved into the 2nd Century!
At least this guy says that gays should be accepted with respect and kindness. He just REALLY doesn't want them around children or being allowed to spread.
...progress?
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Congratulation Catholic Church! You have now moved into the 2nd Century!
At least this guy says that gays should be accepted with respect and kindness. He just REALLY doesn't want them around children or being allowed to spread.
...progress?
Better than trying to kill them all.
Edit: Either way, dude is coming into office at 76. If he lives as long as John Paul II, he'll probably be dead within the decade.
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I dunno, the Poop has a great health plan, from what I've heard.
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Fuck this guy already. "Shit, time to pick a new pope! Man, the direction of the world seems to be changing a lot. People want change. Let's elect a homophobe, that should work out.
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I dunno, the Poop has a great health plan, from what I've heard.
Intentional misspelling or Freudian slip?
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I dunno, the Poop has a great health plan, from what I've heard.
Intentional misspelling or Freudian slip?
Even the Pope's shit has a better health plan than me.
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Fuck this guy already. "Shit, time to pick a new pope! Man, the direction of the world seems to be changing a lot. People want change. Let's elect a homophobe, that should work out.
Given the candidate pool, I'm not sure they could find one who wasn't a homophobe.
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Fuck this guy already. "Shit, time to pick a new pope! Man, the direction of the world seems to be changing a lot. People want change. Let's elect a homophobe, that should work out.
Given the candidate pool, I'm not sure they could find one who wasn't a homophobe.
I can dream.
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You have to keep in mind exactly where popes come from. It took this current pope about 30 years of work in the church just to get to Cardinal, and over a decade from there to become pope. And the guy was 33 when he became an ordained priest in 1969. There's so much time needed to get up to the level where you're able to be elected that the only ones involved are old, and all statistics show that the most conservative people tend to be the oldest.
Assuming the church makes a natural evolution toward greater tolerance, it'll take decades from now before the Cardinals consist of people brought up in a more tolerant time period.
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All I know is I submitted the first quote from the new Pope ;D
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Mm. Apparently he authored a document (approved by Benny) saying that people who are pro-life shouldn't be allowed to receive the Eucharist. Nice guy.
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You mean pro choice
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So they elect a pope from South America and somehow it's still another old white guy. What the shit?
I normally don't use Family Guy to express my feelings, but i think this is appropriate.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLk4Ia0otko
So it's an "old white guy." Big whoop. He was voted in, right? He was what the conclave chose. The new pope's not female or another race? I honestly don't give a crap. I hardly think it's worth losing sleep over.
Also, am I the only person annoyed by all this, "Let's bash on the new pope!" attitude the thread has suddenly taken? Look if he does something FSTDT worthy I'm sure he'll be mocked for it. However, I just think you guys are LOOKING for excuses to hate on him to build yourselves up. I can't say I'm surprised, but I think it's kinda annoying.
Seriously, this news has barely had time to sit or settle and it looks like everyone here's already jumping on the negativity bandwagon.
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The lcal news seems to be making a big deal out of him being the first pope from the Americas. Is it wierd to be more impressed about his being the first Jesuit? I thought the mainstream electing someone from an order of scolars (who often don't get along) l thought was a bigger deal.
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The lcal news seems to be making a big deal out of him being the first pope from the Americas. Is it wierd to be more impressed about his being the first Jesuit? I thought the mainstream electing someone from an order of scolars (who often don't get along) l thought was a bigger deal.
I don't know. I'm not really fluent in this pope-related jargon. Between all these weird terms and all this hype, my head is just swimming trying to pin everything down.
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So it's an "old white guy." Big whoop. He was voted in, right? He was what the conclave chose. The new pope's not female or another race? I honestly don't give a crap. I hardly think it's worth losing sleep over.
Also, am I the only person annoyed by all this, "Let's bash on the new pope!" attitude the thread has suddenly taken? Look if he does something FSTDT worthy I'm sure he'll be mocked for it. However, I just think you guys are LOOKING for excuses to hate on him to build yourselves up. I can't say I'm surprised, but I think it's kinda annoying.
Seriously, this news has barely had time to sit or settle and it looks like everyone here's already jumping on the negativity bandwagon.
Well, he has already done some FSTDT worthy stuff. That being said, it's amazing that the Catholic hierarchy continues to be extremely out of touch with the rest of society, especially those who consider themselves to be Catholic, and it's what is dooming them.
Also since I was at least baptized Catholic, I think RinellaWasHere should be the new Pope.
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Nicki: Maybe. I'm just too busy to keep up or care that much, I guess. I have a lot bigger fish to fry and all that.
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So it's an "old white guy." Big whoop. He was voted in, right? He was what the conclave chose. The new pope's not female or another race? I honestly don't give a crap. I hardly think it's worth losing sleep over.
Also, am I the only person annoyed by all this, "Let's bash on the new pope!" attitude the thread has suddenly taken? Look if he does something FSTDT worthy I'm sure he'll be mocked for it. However, I just think you guys are LOOKING for excuses to hate on him to build yourselves up. I can't say I'm surprised, but I think it's kinda annoying.
Seriously, this news has barely had time to sit or settle and it looks like everyone here's already jumping on the negativity bandwagon.
Well, he has already done some FSTDT worthy stuff. That being said, it's amazing that the Catholic hierarchy continues to be extremely out of touch with the rest of society, especially those who consider themselves to be Catholic, and it's what is dooming them.
Also since I was at least baptized Catholic, I think RinellaWasHere should be the new Pope.
Like I said before, the problem is that the only people who have been in the service long enough to become pope or be able to decide how the Catholic Church goes are the ones who were born long ago, before "civil rights" was even a term. Some of them are about as old as women's suffrage in the United States. And the elderly are notorious for being the ones most likely to be conservative, not to mention that people simply get more settled into their beliefs as they age.
With circumstances as they are, you get an overwhelming majority of very old conservatives who were raised in an extremely bigoted time. Things will probably improve, but it'll take a long time for the leadership to shift to people of the current generation. 40 years is a long time for anyone.
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So they elect a pope from South America and somehow it's still another old white guy. What the shit?
I normally don't use Family Guy to express my feelings, but i think this is appropriate.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLk4Ia0otko
So it's an "old white guy." Big whoop. He was voted in, right? He was what the conclave chose. The new pope's not female or another race? I honestly don't give a crap. I hardly think it's worth losing sleep over.
Also, am I the only person annoyed by all this, "Let's bash on the new pope!" attitude the thread has suddenly taken? Look if he does something FSTDT worthy I'm sure he'll be mocked for it. However, I just think you guys are LOOKING for excuses to hate on him to build yourselves up. I can't say I'm surprised, but I think it's kinda annoying.
Seriously, this news has barely had time to sit or settle and it looks like everyone here's already jumping on the negativity bandwagon.
Congratulations on missing the point regarding it being another old white guy. Also, you should start caring who is elected Pope as what the Catholic Church does and says is STILL important and still affects the world. There are millions of people around the world who look to the Pope to tell them what to think. And when the new Pope is not some new, fresh blood but instead the same sort of person who has always been Pope, it makes it unlikely that the Church is going to make any advances towards finally entering the 21st Century and is going to continue to encourage people's biggoted and out-dated world views.
And as for your last 2 paragraphs:
"Bergoglio has affirmed church teaching on homosexuality specifically that homosexual actions are immoral.[54][55] He opposes same-sex marriage,[56] and unsuccessfully opposed legislation introduced in 2010 to allow same-sex marriage in Argentina, calling it a "real and dire anthropological throwback."[57] In a letter to the monasteries of Buenos Aires, he wrote: "Let's not be naïve, we're not talking about a simple political battle; it is a destructive pretension against the plan of God. We are not talking about a mere bill, but rather a machination of the Father of Lies[58] that seeks to confuse and deceive the children of God."[59] In this context, Bergoglio also opposed adoption by same-sex couples[clarification needed], arguing that it threatened the "identity [...] and the survival of the family: father, mother and children." He stated that "children [...] are discriminated against in advance depriving them of human growth that God would be given to a father and a mother.""
You don't think any of that is FSTDT worthy?? You can't see why any of that would make us not like him before he's even had a chance to do anything as Pope?
As I find myself asking a lot recently - are you serious or are you just trying to piss me off?
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I for one am not too surprised that they elected another homophobic white man as, to quote my friend "they could have elected a pope from Nigeria and it would have still been a homophobic white guy."
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So they elect a pope from South America and somehow it's still another old white guy. What the shit?
I normally don't use Family Guy to express my feelings, but i think this is appropriate.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLk4Ia0otko
So it's an "old white guy." Big whoop. He was voted in, right? He was what the conclave chose. The new pope's not female or another race? I honestly don't give a crap. I hardly think it's worth losing sleep over.
Also, am I the only person annoyed by all this, "Let's bash on the new pope!" attitude the thread has suddenly taken? Look if he does something FSTDT worthy I'm sure he'll be mocked for it. However, I just think you guys are LOOKING for excuses to hate on him to build yourselves up. I can't say I'm surprised, but I think it's kinda annoying.
Seriously, this news has barely had time to sit or settle and it looks like everyone here's already jumping on the negativity bandwagon.
Congratulations on missing the point regarding it being another old white guy. Also, you should start caring who is elected Pope as what the Catholic Church does and says is STILL important and still affects the world. There are millions of people around the world who look to the Pope to tell them what to think. And when the new Pope is not some new, fresh blood but instead the same sort of person who has always been Pope, it makes it unlikely that the Church is going to make any advances towards finally entering the 21st Century and is going to continue to encourage people's biggoted and out-dated world views.
And as for your last 2 paragraphs:
"Bergoglio has affirmed church teaching on homosexuality specifically that homosexual actions are immoral.[54][55] He opposes same-sex marriage,[56] and unsuccessfully opposed legislation introduced in 2010 to allow same-sex marriage in Argentina, calling it a "real and dire anthropological throwback."[57] In a letter to the monasteries of Buenos Aires, he wrote: "Let's not be naïve, we're not talking about a simple political battle; it is a destructive pretension against the plan of God. We are not talking about a mere bill, but rather a machination of the Father of Lies[58] that seeks to confuse and deceive the children of God."[59] In this context, Bergoglio also opposed adoption by same-sex couples[clarification needed], arguing that it threatened the "identity [...] and the survival of the family: father, mother and children." He stated that "children [...] are discriminated against in advance depriving them of human growth that God would be given to a father and a mother.""
You don't think any of that is FSTDT worthy?? You can't see why any of that would make us not like him before he's even had a chance to do anything as Pope?
As I find myself asking a lot recently - are you serious or are you just trying to piss me off?
See what I bolded? I never said that I thought he didn't do anything FSTDT worthy. I realize he's has a powerful influence. I'm just saying that by people caring about the pope so much, they're giving him even more power. He only has as much power as the populace gives him. Also, I think that people are dedicated to looking at this in a purely negative light, without fairly considering any positives. Just because he's homophobic doesn't mean he's pure evil that should be spit nothing but nasty venom at.
Can someone here mention something NICE to say about the Pope? I thought I saw something about social justice being a strong point of his, but that quickly was brushed aside, I believe.
I'm sorry if it pisses you off, but I'm just a bit turned off by the undercurrent of negativity that's there whenever the pope is discussed. Heck. I'm sick of the news' fetish with the pope. I realize he's important. I just wish I could enjoy a break from hearing about him.
So why am I even in this thread? I just wanted to acknowledge that I've read this thread and give my thoughts on what I've read.
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Benny was also "strong" on social justice
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Does this mean I can roll out the Pope jokes again? :D
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So it's an "old white guy." Big whoop. He was voted in, right? He was what the conclave chose. The new pope's not female or another race? I honestly don't give a crap. I hardly think it's worth losing sleep over.
Also, am I the only person annoyed by all this, "Let's bash on the new pope!" attitude the thread has suddenly taken? Look if he does something FSTDT worthy I'm sure he'll be mocked for it. However, I just think you guys are LOOKING for excuses to hate on him to build yourselves up. I can't say I'm surprised, but I think it's kinda annoying.
Seriously, this news has barely had time to sit or settle and it looks like everyone here's already jumping on the negativity bandwagon.
Well, he has already done some FSTDT worthy stuff. That being said, it's amazing that the Catholic hierarchy continues to be extremely out of touch with the rest of society, especially those who consider themselves to be Catholic, and it's what is dooming them.
Also since I was at least baptized Catholic, I think RinellaWasHere should be the new Pope.
Like I said before, the problem is that the only people who have been in the service long enough to become pope or be able to decide how the Catholic Church goes are the ones who were born long ago, before "civil rights" was even a term. Some of them are about as old as women's suffrage in the United States. And the elderly are notorious for being the ones most likely to be conservative, not to mention that people simply get more settled into their beliefs as they age.
With circumstances as they are, you get an overwhelming majority of very old conservatives who were raised in an extremely bigoted time. Things will probably improve, but it'll take a long time for the leadership to shift to people of the current generation. 40 years is a long time for anyone.
I agree. Give it time...the RC Church will progress eventually. That said, this guy may be a complete bozo as far as sexual matters, but I have heard that he's VERY big on fighting poverty & political corruption & was actually a bit of an activist in those areas back in Argentina. As long as he doesn't let his prejudices overtake other matters & keeps voicing him to a minimum, he'll be somewhat tolerable. I watched the election on MSNBC (usually left-leaning) and Lawrence O'Donnell, who's pretty outspoken about social justice & whatnot (he was absolutely disgusted with the police brutality at Occupy protests & he can't stand Glenn Beck) was pretty content with the new Pope, even in said Pope is still quite old-fashioned in regards to gays & women priests. I'm disappointed but I do hope this new guy has some more redeeming features. He does seem to "walk the walk" as far as humility & whatnot. Who knows?
At least I know that most of the uber-conservative types, politicians, clergy, the Kochs & Murdoch, are all part of the "Senior Set". They'll all croak soon & perhaps there will be less of these types in power.
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I am glad it's a Jesuit, to be honest. My high school was run by Jesuits, and while they were considerably more pro-gay than His Holiness, the Jesuits as a whole are very much involved in social justice and liberation theology. I think he'll do a lot of good, or at least I hope so. He wasn't what I was hoping for, but he's not what I was fearing.
Also since I was at least baptized Catholic, I think RinellaWasHere should be the new Pope.
Technically speaking, I'm eligible— any practicing Catholic can be nominated to sit the Holy See.
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I was baptized, got my first holy communion AND I was confirmed. I am also unfiddled by my priest.
I say I should be pope.
Every time they announced smoke, I hoped the Conclave was on fire. Elect me Pope. I will fix everything. Abruptly.
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I was baptized, got my first holy communion AND I was confirmed. I am also unfiddled by my priest.
I say I should be pope.
Every time they announced smoke, I hoped the Conclave was on fire. Elect me Pope. I will fix everything. Abruptly.
We could run it like 40K, with inquisitors and astartes and everything.
We could even do exterminatus on small countries. ;D
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Purge the heretic, Burn the mutant, Purify the unclean. For the Emperor and the Golden Throne!
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Can someone here mention something NICE to say about the Pope?
...he's not a total monster like the last guy?
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Can someone here mention something NICE to say about the Pope?
...he's not a total monster like the last guy?
Rumors of kidnapping, blackmail and sex crimes are surfacing. I think it's best to just face the music and say that there will never be a Pope that is a decent human being.
The new Pope is definitely still a monster.
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Rumors, by the way, that have absolutely no evidence behind them and actually go against what is known of his work in Argentina.
I doubt that these accusations would be so readily taken as fact (with zero evidence) if the person being accused was not someone that people were so ready to hate.
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Can someone here mention something NICE to say about the Pope?
...he's not a total monster like the last guy?
Rumors of kidnapping, blackmail and sex crimes are surfacing. I think it's best to just face the music and say that there will never be a Pope that is a decent human being.
The new Pope is definitely still a monster.
Allegations are one thing but evidence is something else entirely. I don't like Pope Francis' stance on gay marriage and gay adoption (which is said originated from the Devil). That's enough for me not to like him since I, like everyone else here, think that LGBT folks are actual human beings deserving of rights. But for the allegations that he lifted protection from two Jesuit priests who were then kidnapped during the Dirty War--well, we need to establish something beyond accusations. We need to be fair after all.
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At least Ratzinger looked the part, in an honest way.....didn't you, Pope Nosferatu, O Foul Breath of Corruption...errrmmm, I mean, Benedict, Pope of the Sith and Exalted of the Empire! Dang, sure gonna miss the gifs and photoshops of ol' Bene.
This new dude looks like a short order cook at a diner in 'Jersey. Put a paper hat on him, and order your eggs over medium, wheat toast, and hash browns.
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At least Ratzinger looked the part, in an honest way.....didn't you, Pope Nosferatu, O Foul Breath of Corruption...errrmmm, I mean, Benedict, Pope of the Sith and Exalted of the Empire! Dang, sure gonna miss the gifs and photoshops of ol' Bene.
This new dude looks like a short order cook at a diner in 'Jersey. Put a paper hat on him, and order your eggs over medium, wheat toast, and hash browns.
I decided to begin the Photoshop trend.
I know, I'm a bad, bad person.
(http://i46.tinypic.com/kox00.jpg)
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He looks like the father from Arrested Development.
"There is always money in the Vatican Banana Stand!"
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He looks like the father from Arrested Development.
"There is always money in the Vatican Banana Stand!"
Dammit. Now I have to do that one too.
(http://i48.tinypic.com/s1kth1.jpg)
It's funnier when he looks like he's holding a Bible.
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Here's an article on the new Pope's involvement in the Dirty War--or lack thereof:
http://world.time.com/2013/03/14/the-new-pope-and-argentinas-disappeared-of-the-dirty-war/ (http://world.time.com/2013/03/14/the-new-pope-and-argentinas-disappeared-of-the-dirty-war/)
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Here's an article on the new Pope's involvement in the Dirty War--or lack thereof:
http://world.time.com/2013/03/14/the-new-pope-and-argentinas-disappeared-of-the-dirty-war/ (http://world.time.com/2013/03/14/the-new-pope-and-argentinas-disappeared-of-the-dirty-war/)
Goes into a little more detail than the other articles on the subject, but still essentially the same thing: no evidence whatsoever. A lot of accusations without a lot of weight to them, and yet people want them to be true so they can have more reasons to hate him.
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At least Ratzinger looked the part, in an honest way.....didn't you, Pope Nosferatu, O Foul Breath of Corruption...errrmmm, I mean, Benedict, Pope of the Sith and Exalted of the Empire! Dang, sure gonna miss the gifs and photoshops of ol' Bene.
This new dude looks like a short order cook at a diner in 'Jersey. Put a paper hat on him, and order your eggs over medium, wheat toast, and hash browns.
I decided to begin the Photoshop trend.
I know, I'm a bad, bad person.
(http://i46.tinypic.com/kox00.jpg)
He looks like the father from Arrested Development.
"There is always money in the Vatican Banana Stand!"
Dammit. Now I have to do that one too.
(http://i48.tinypic.com/s1kth1.jpg)
It's funnier when he looks like he's holding a Bible.
Now that I've caught my breath after laughing 'til I choked....3 fuck yeahs to you, for these 'shops, and all the research and article writing you've done in the New Korean War thread! (fuck yeahs limited to one per hour - my promise shall be kept! :) )
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Woo!
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Here's an article on the new Pope's involvement in the Dirty War--or lack thereof:
http://world.time.com/2013/03/14/the-new-pope-and-argentinas-disappeared-of-the-dirty-war/ (http://world.time.com/2013/03/14/the-new-pope-and-argentinas-disappeared-of-the-dirty-war/)
Goes into a little more detail than the other articles on the subject, but still essentially the same thing: no evidence whatsoever. A lot of accusations without a lot of weight to them, and yet people want them to be true so they can have more reasons to hate him.
Just about sums it up. People need to relax: I'm sure he'll do plenty to make us hate him. Believe me, there's no need to invent charges.
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At least Ratzinger looked the part, in an honest way.....didn't you, Pope Nosferatu, O Foul Breath of Corruption...errrmmm, I mean, Benedict, Pope of the Sith and Exalted of the Empire! Dang, sure gonna miss the gifs and photoshops of ol' Bene.
And this is reason why I'm NOT going to miss Ratzinger, as a Palpatine fangirl, one can only take so many Pope/Palpatine jokes. Now bring on the father from Arrested Development jokes.
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At least Ratzinger looked the part, in an honest way.....didn't you, Pope Nosferatu, O Foul Breath of Corruption...errrmmm, I mean, Benedict, Pope of the Sith and Exalted of the Empire! Dang, sure gonna miss the gifs and photoshops of ol' Bene.
And this is reason why I'm NOT going to miss Ratzinger, as a Palpatine fangirl, one can only take so many Pope/Palpatine jokes. Now bring on the father from Arrested Development jokes.
You have now made me curious as to whether anyone has done an image of Ratzinger falling into the core of the second Death Star.
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Fuck this guy already. "Shit, time to pick a new pope! Man, the direction of the world seems to be changing a lot. People want change. Let's elect a homophobe, that should work out.
Given the candidate pool, I'm not sure they could find one who wasn't a homophobe.
There's the Catholic church for you... homosexuals are the devil but pedophiles they're A-OK with.
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Here's an article on the new Pope's involvement in the Dirty War--or lack thereof:
http://world.time.com/2013/03/14/the-new-pope-and-argentinas-disappeared-of-the-dirty-war/ (http://world.time.com/2013/03/14/the-new-pope-and-argentinas-disappeared-of-the-dirty-war/)
Goes into a little more detail than the other articles on the subject, but still essentially the same thing: no evidence whatsoever. A lot of accusations without a lot of weight to them, and yet people want them to be true so they can have more reasons to hate him.
The man had his first Mass today and came in wearing a plain white cassock and a wooden cross. Dude then preached a sermon on living how they say in the Bible. Props for the message but until he starts setting up bonfire's outside with certain priests as the center, I'm not holding my breath.
Ironbite-see the new boss same as the old boss;.
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At least Ratzinger looked the part, in an honest way.....didn't you, Pope Nosferatu, O Foul Breath of Corruption...errrmmm, I mean, Benedict, Pope of the Sith and Exalted of the Empire! Dang, sure gonna miss the gifs and photoshops of ol' Bene.
And this is reason why I'm NOT going to miss Ratzinger, as a Palpatine fangirl, one can only take so many Pope/Palpatine jokes. Now bring on the father from Arrested Development jokes.
You have now made me curious as to whether anyone has done an image of Ratzinger falling into the core of the second Death Star.
I asked that when he resigned. Still haven't seen someone deliver.
When I know how to edit GIFs, though....
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Congratulation Catholic Church! You have now moved into the 2nd Century!
Is there really any purpose for this other than to be offensive? Do you feel better by bringing people you don't agree with down like this?
Seriously, comments like this piss me off. I don't think they serve any real purpose except to be mean.
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Congratulation Catholic Church! You have now moved into the 2nd Century!
Is there really any purpose for this other than to be offensive? Do you feel better by bringing people you don't agree with down like this?
Seriously, comments like this piss me off. I don't think they serve any real purpose except to be mean.
Calm down, B-Man >_>
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Congratulation Catholic Church! You have now moved into the 2nd Century!
Is there really any purpose for this other than to be offensive? Do you feel better by bringing people you don't agree with down like this?
Seriously, comments like this piss me off. I don't think they serve any real purpose except to be mean.
Calm down, B-Man >_>
Haha. I'm fine. I just think that comments that imply the Catholic Church is primitive - implying that the commenter is superior - are pointless. I'm not sure if they serve any other purpose but to insult.
Seriously, this guys been pope for a day. I'm sure he's had a history, but I just haven't tried to assess his views yet. I suppose that's my problem, though, right? If I can't properly assess how someone thinks for lack of information, I do my best to just keep my opinion neutral.
Really it's not so much that I haven't tried. I just don't care and actually haven't invested time or effort into trying to care. I've had a rather busy week between work and spending time with poeticmind0189. I guess because of said distractions, I'm having trouble understanding most of the hate. Granted, I might still call people out if i think their comments cross the line when I DO understand the rage, but for now it's just a matter of "I don't get it."
Well, whatever. I'm up past my bedtime and quite frankly I'm struggling to stay awake.
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Seriously, this guys been pope for a day. I'm sure he's had a history, but I just haven't tried to assess his views yet. I suppose that's my problem, though, right? If I can't properly assess how someone thinks for lack of information, I do my best to just keep my opinion neutral.
Well, that's the thing, isn't it? He does have a past. And that seems to be what everyone is commenting on. Should we be judging him based on the good he may do in the future?
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Seriously, this guys been pope for a day. I'm sure he's had a history, but I just haven't tried to assess his views yet. I suppose that's my problem, though, right? If I can't properly assess how someone thinks for lack of information, I do my best to just keep my opinion neutral.
Well, that's the thing, isn't it? He does have a past. And that seems to be what everyone is commenting on. Should we be judging him based on the good he may do in the future?
They mostly seem to be concerned with accusations about his past, rather than anything actually factual.
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B-Man, it's completely accurate to call the RCC in its current state "primitive." Its political and religious positions are out of touch with those of most actual Catholics.
Also, I see no reason why I should coddle an organization that protects child molesters and kidnaps children. None. I have no beefs with Catholics as a whole; I believe each should be judged by their individual actions. But the organization as a whole is corrupt, and if I'm a big meaniepants for suggesting that, then I'll be the biggest meaniepants you've ever damn well seen.
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Call me a horrible suspicious bitch, but I don't think it's unfair to rip into an organization with a track record like the Catholic Church's. They've earned all the criticism they get and any guy THEY think is good enough to run their club, well... again, I might be a horrible person, but I can't imagine he'd be a good guy.
I'm not going to give the accusations against him much weight until something actually comes up. When anybody becomes famous, suddenly all kinds of crazy stories about them surface. However, I'm also not going to assume he's going to be a good guy. I already know he's an aggressive homophobic jerk. And again, the fact that the Catholic Church and all of its skeletons and bad habits and HORRIBLE practices thinks this guy would be a good pope makes me suspicious by itself.
So I'll remain suspicious of Pope Francis until further notice.
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I think I was also venting because the day the new pope was chosen, my coworker and her bf had to deal with an idiot Catholic priest who ripped into them for wanting to get married, even though they had been together for a few years and she's not pregnant. My coworker, a devout Catholic was also expressing her distaste for their wanting to ban contraceptives and their loophole about gays.
Enter the new pope who was already quoted to hate gays. And while I'm straight, I've seen enough suffering because of homophobia to have little tolorance for that shit. I also grew up Catholic in a good church with caring people and priests, so seeing the crap going on now disgusts me to no end.
So if my words make Me a horrible person . . . actually they don't. I was already a horrible person before. But even evil has standards.
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an idiot Catholic priest who ripped into them for wanting to get married, even though they had been together for a few years and she's not pregnant.
I don't think that priest really understands what he's supposed to be advocating.
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What everyone else said. The Catholic Church is a dangerous, backwards institution.
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What everyone else said. The Catholic Church is a dangerous, backwards institution.
Well, that one in my above post is LITERALLY backwards. As in he's doing the opposite bigotry of what he's supposed to be doing.
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B-Man, it's completely accurate to call the RCC in its current state "primitive." Its political and religious positions are out of touch with those of most actual Catholics.
Also, I see no reason why I should coddle an organization that protects child molesters and kidnaps children. None. I have no beefs with Catholics as a whole; I believe each should be judged by their individual actions. But the organization as a whole is corrupt, and if I'm a big meaniepants for suggesting that, then I'll be the biggest meaniepants you've ever damn well seen.
Well, that's the thing. The leadership has issues. Hell, the problems with the hierarchy may have been the reason the last pope said "Fuck it." and left. Now having said that, you do make a point that the leadership may actually be out of touch with their congregation/constituents. The sad thing is, the entire religion is based around reverence to these figures. I'm not saying they shouldn't be called out, but if the tone taken is too negative, it's practically akin to me spitting in your mom's face.
There's nothing wrong with pointing out the flaws in the church. There's everything wrong in being overly belligerent about it. At least, that's my take on things. I think that I saw an interview with Catholics on a 60 minutes or something. They were discussing how they felt about the pope's resignation, and the reactions were all pretty unique. I honestly pitied them. They have to deal with so much flak towards their religion, and I don't think it's right. Notice how I said "flak." I make a distinction between flak and criticism. I think the difference between flak and criticism is cruelty. All I'm asking for is for people to tone it back a bit, and nothing more.
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He's made a few gestures that impressed me. Not that it's completely revised my opinion on the RCC, but he's dispensed with living in a palace in a country where the bishops and cardinals live in opulent homes, the Popemobile and the papal throne. Compared to the former pontiff who was still trying to behave as if it still had the influence it had in the Middle Ages, this guy looks like a "sissy liberal".
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At least Ratzinger looked the part, in an honest way.....didn't you, Pope Nosferatu, O Foul Breath of Corruption...errrmmm, I mean, Benedict, Pope of the Sith and Exalted of the Empire! Dang, sure gonna miss the gifs and photoshops of ol' Bene.
And this is reason why I'm NOT going to miss Ratzinger, as a Palpatine fangirl, one can only take so many Pope/Palpatine jokes. Now bring on the father from Arrested Development jokes.
(http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/512/929/f66.jpg)
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Now having said that, you do make a point that the leadership may actually be out of touch with their congregation/constituents.
They are. At least around here, much of the Catholic base has half a mind to declare the Second Reformation.
Bishop forbids a lent sermon because one of the speakers is a rebellious priest? Fuck the guy, let's redeclare it as a secular educational seminar and hold it in another building that doesn't belong directly to the church. Oh, and thanks for all the free publicity.
Rome wants pregnancy counseling to stop participating in the official program because the slips they give out can be used to get an abortion? Everyone migrate to a newly-founded lay organization that doesn't answer to Rome.
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Guys. This just in!
I've been checking out this progressive news site and found THIS!
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/03/21/civil-unions-pope-francis-said-yes-before-church-made-him-say-no/
Perhaps Pope Francis is a good guy after all! I like this guy! At least he's a humble humanitarian who's willing to compromise. Perhaps he's just what the Church needs.
When he was just a guy in Argentina, he wanted to compromise with the Vatican & spoke in favor of Civil Unions. But Benny The Rat pretty much silenced him. The deranged statements against gays attributed to the future Pope Francis may not have been his words after all.
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There may be hope for Pope Francis yet...
Pope Washes Women's Feet in Break with Church Law (https://socialreader.com/me/channels/138538/content/foMrd)
In his most significant break with tradition yet, Pope Francis washed and kissed the feet of two young women at a juvenile detention center — a surprising departure from church rules that restrict the Holy Thursday ritual to men.
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Speaking to the young offenders, including Muslims and Orthodox Christians, Francis said that Jesus washed the feet of his disciples on the eve of his crucifixion in a gesture of love and service.
"This is a symbol, it is a sign. Washing your feet means I am at your service," Francis told the group, aged 14 to 21, at the Casal del Marmo detention facility in Rome."
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In a video released by the Vatican, the 76-year-old Francis was shown kneeling on the stone floor as he poured water from a silver chalice over the feet of a dozen youths: black, white, male, female, even feet with tattoos. Then, after drying each one with a cotton towel, he bent over and kissed it.
Previous popes carried out the Holy Thursday rite in Rome's grand St. John Lateran basilica, choosing 12 priests to represent the 12 apostles whose feet Christ washed during the Last Supper before his crucifixion.
Edit: And one of the women was a Muslim.
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Some of his views are outdated. That doesn't mean he's a bad person, or that all of his views are ancient and bigoted.
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I'm impressed so far, but I'm not going to call him definitively better than the old pope yet.
He was, after all, a cardinal, and definitely didn't do anything about the pedophiles hidden by the church.
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Some of his views are outdated. That doesn't mean he's a bad person, or that all of his views are ancient and bigoted.
Yes, just some of his views are ancient and bigoted.
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There may be hope for Pope Francis yet...
Pope Washes Women's Feet in Break with Church Law (https://socialreader.com/me/channels/138538/content/foMrd)
In his most significant break with tradition yet, Pope Francis washed and kissed the feet of two young women at a juvenile detention center — a surprising departure from church rules that restrict the Holy Thursday ritual to men.
(snip)
Speaking to the young offenders, including Muslims and Orthodox Christians, Francis said that Jesus washed the feet of his disciples on the eve of his crucifixion in a gesture of love and service.
"This is a symbol, it is a sign. Washing your feet means I am at your service," Francis told the group, aged 14 to 21, at the Casal del Marmo detention facility in Rome."
(snip)
In a video released by the Vatican, the 76-year-old Francis was shown kneeling on the stone floor as he poured water from a silver chalice over the feet of a dozen youths: black, white, male, female, even feet with tattoos. Then, after drying each one with a cotton towel, he bent over and kissed it.
Previous popes carried out the Holy Thursday rite in Rome's grand St. John Lateran basilica, choosing 12 priests to represent the 12 apostles whose feet Christ washed during the Last Supper before his crucifixion.
Edit: And one of the women was a Muslim.
I'm beginning to like this guy. He isn't the ideal but he seems to be better than Ratzinger. Baby steps...baby steps....
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Am I the only one who finds the irony of the Catholic Church being angry at a Pope who acts like Jesus delicious?
Also, am I the only one who thought "militancy" and "humility" were mutually exclusive?
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I'm glad to see the new pope is continuing to take these steps forward, and I hope he continues to prove me wrong.
Unfortunately, the rest of the Catholic Church is still living in Jesus' time. Getting angry because the guy is showing compassion to two women? Why don't se just burn him at the stake and get it over with.
Someone needs to do a meme that has the pope picture with under it;
"Yes, I bent over to kiss this woman's foot. If you don't like it, bend over and kiss my ass!"
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I'm glad to see the new pope is continuing to take these steps forward, and I hope he continues to prove me wrong.
Unfortunately, the rest of the Catholic Church is still living in Jesus' time. Getting angry because the guy is showing compassion to two women? Why don't se just burn him at the stake and get it over with.
Someone needs to do a meme that has the pope picture with under it;
"Yes, I bent over to kiss this woman's foot. If you don't like it, bend over and kiss my ass!"
I love it!