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Title: I hoped this was a poe...
Post by: rageaholic on May 27, 2013, 10:14:52 am
but I don't think it is. (http://www.legatusmagazine.org/when-things-were-black-and-white/)

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One beautiful dress after another strolled across the silver screen — and the women wearing them were elegant, self-assured and regal. Oh, how I love old black and white movies! As “The End” scrolled up the screen, my daughter sighed and asked, “Why don’t women dress like that anymore?”

Why indeed! Why don’t men hold doors open for women? Why are teens targeted with “paranormal” romance novels and movies? And why is life not respected from conception to natural death?

Our culture has fallen into irreverence and, like frogs in boiling water, we’ve become desensitized to it all … or have we? Isn’t it nice to see men who still have a sense of chivalry? I’ve found that when I’m dressed in a neat, modest and feminine manner, men will hold doors for me, help me find things at the hardware store, and offer to put my carry-on luggage in the overhead compartment. I’m not trying to manipulate men, but dressing more feminine certainly brings out a man’s God-given virtues.

She goes on about how women dressing immodestly is objectively wrong and how our culture is going to hell because we're not as strict about these traditions.  I cannot stress how much I hate, no DESPISE this moral objectivist bullshit.  Cause it has nothing to do with morals, it's about forcing your traditions on everyone. 

The last two paragraph are the icing on the cake. 

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Until Rome changes them or says otherwise, those are the guidelines. Pius XII said, “To say that ‘modesty is a matter of custom’ is just as wrong as to say that ‘honesty is a matter of custom.’” There are absolutes. And the Church has continued to talk about modesty since then and has never once abrogated those guidelines.

When the morality of women declines, the entire culture implodes around it — so it’s essential that women embrace their God-given feminine role. We can get back to the elegance and dignity of the old black and white movies, but only if we as families are willing to take action now.

I gotta stop finding this shit. 
Title: Re: I hoped this was a poe...
Post by: mellenORL on May 27, 2013, 10:34:20 am
Being helped by a man (or woman) when you are all dressed up may also be because they recognize that it would be bothersome to possibly get that outfit mussed or stained while digging in the nut and bolt bins, you know?

I've actually done exactly that at Home Depot, when I saw a lady dressed beautifully for a funeral who was there looking for small parts, to repair her suitcase trolley wheels before heading back to the airport to fly home.

If you are wearing high heels, schlepping heavy items can be dangerous. I think most people recognize that, and some would help with the lifting out of concern as much as chivalry. Courtesy in general is not dead, and it has jack all to do with the "morality" of women.
Title: Re: I hoped this was a poe...
Post by: Random Gal on May 27, 2013, 10:53:52 am
I generally hold doors for people regardless of gender.
Title: Re: I hoped this was a poe...
Post by: R. U. Sirius on May 27, 2013, 10:55:13 am
I generally hold doors for people regardless of gender.


Same here.
Title: Re: I hoped this was a poe...
Post by: rageaholic on May 27, 2013, 11:10:01 am
I generally hold doors for people regardless of gender.


Same here.

That makes 3. 
Title: Re: I hoped this was a poe...
Post by: mellenORL on May 27, 2013, 11:15:01 am
4


Oh what the heck, easily 100% of the forum members do this. Common courtesy.
Title: Re: I hoped this was a poe...
Post by: Barbarella on May 27, 2013, 11:25:13 am
Five.

Also, this weird fundy lady should keep in mind that actors back in the old days could be just as "immoral" as the stars of today....they just didn't have paparazzis up their noses all the time so the world only saw their "good side".
Title: Re: I hoped this was a poe...
Post by: Sleepy on May 27, 2013, 11:52:50 am
"We can get back to the elegance and dignity of the old black and white movies..."

You know what black and white movies showed? Men in suits and women in elegant gowns who would spend half the day chatting in the library while drinking scotch, then dine out later that night at a luxurious restaurant where they're served eight courses. You know what they didn't show? The higher rates at which women were raped. Their lack of basic human rights. Their obligation to obey the husband and keep their mouth shut, even with any abuse. The shame they faced if they wanted an education, or if they stepped outside any societal boundaries, because god forbid they want any sort of equality.

So get your head out of your ass and stop using old films as any sort of guideline for an ideal society, you twat.
Title: Re: I hoped this was a poe...
Post by: rageaholic on May 27, 2013, 12:51:50 pm
I wouldn't be surprised if she considers human rights anti Christian or some shit (it's actually not an uncommon view for nutcases like her).  These ultra conservative traditionalists put their narrow minded culture above the wants or needs of people.  Even if everyone didn't want to live her way, she'd still be imposing her narrow minded morals on everyone else.  After all, in her eyes, she's objectively right. 
Title: Re: I hoped this was a poe...
Post by: Barbarella on May 27, 2013, 02:23:58 pm
"We can get back to the elegance and dignity of the old black and white movies..."

You know what black and white movies showed? Men in suits and women in elegant gowns who would spend half the day chatting in the library while drinking scotch, then dine out later that night at a luxurious restaurant where they're served eight courses. You know what they didn't show? The higher rates at which women were raped. Their lack of basic human rights. Their obligation to obey the husband and keep their mouth shut, even with any abuse. The shame they faced if they wanted an education, or if they stepped outside any societal boundaries, because god forbid they want any sort of equality.

So get your head out of your ass and stop using old films as any sort of guideline for an ideal society, you twat.


Look what happened to Genevieve Pilarski, for example (I started a thread about her on here).
Title: Re: I hoped this was a poe...
Post by: Old Viking on May 27, 2013, 03:18:48 pm
I'll try dressing in a feminine manner, but I think it's going to lead to a lot of trouble.
Title: Re: I hoped this was a poe...
Post by: TheUnknown on May 27, 2013, 03:21:04 pm
"We can get back to the elegance and dignity of the old black and white movies..."

You know what black and white movies showed? Men in suits and women in elegant gowns who would spend half the day chatting in the library while drinking scotch, then dine out later that night at a luxurious restaurant where they're served eight courses. You know what they didn't show? The higher rates at which women were raped. Their lack of basic human rights. Their obligation to obey the husband and keep their mouth shut, even with any abuse. The shame they faced if they wanted an education, or if they stepped outside any societal boundaries, because god forbid they want any sort of equality.

So get your head out of your ass and stop using old films as any sort of guideline for an ideal society, you twat.


Look what happened to Genevieve Pilarski, for example (I started a thread about her on here).

I was actually going to mention that.  I doubt this woman would tell her daughter about how she could ship her off to an insane asylum if she didn't immediately kowtow to societal norms, or how she'd go to a finishing school to learn how to be a 'lady,' instead of college to learn about the career of her choice.  After all, if she told her that, her daughter probably wouldn't pine so much for the "good ol' days."
Title: Re: I hoped this was a poe...
Post by: rookie on May 29, 2013, 08:25:20 am
The elegance of black and white movies. I assume she's just going to skip the parts where the man beats the shit out of his wife for burning the roast. And her options are learning not to burn it. Or how in all those movies, the purposes of minorities were to either carry luggage or be some sort of stereotype (if they were even there). Or how, even then, movies and television were not accurate depictions of everyday life.
Title: Re: I hoped this was a poe...
Post by: Random Gal on May 30, 2013, 09:43:41 pm
Or how, even then, movies and television were not accurate depictions of everyday life.

I'd like to coin the term "Leave It To Beaver Syndrome" for basing one's view of the past on media depictions of it.
Title: Re: I hoped this was a poe...
Post by: Distind on May 31, 2013, 06:51:40 am
Or how, even then, movies and television were not accurate depictions of everyday life.

I'd like to coin the term "Leave It To Beaver Syndrome" for basing one's view of the past on media depictions of it.
I've always been a fan of "Nostalgia for an age that never existed", also an amusing song.
Title: Re: I hoped this was a poe...
Post by: Clochette on May 31, 2013, 05:17:35 pm
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One beautiful dress after another strolled across the silver screen — and the women wearing them were elegant, self-assured and regal. Oh, how I love old black and white movies! As “The End” scrolled up the screen, my daughter sighed and asked, “Why don’t women dress like that anymore?”

God, I hate that shit. Why don't women dress like that anymore? I don't know, why don't they? Maybe you should start a trend. Then you'll figure out exactly why nobody spends their day running around in an evening gown.

True story: my aunt started watching Mad Men recently. She met the mother of one of her friends who worked as a clerk typist in New York City in the early '60s, much like the female characters in the show.

According to this woman, Mad Men's depiction of sexism in that era wasn't very far off from reality. Women employees were considered the lowest of the low. They were pressured to spend the majority of their paychecks on clothes, hair, and makeup. Every so often the office would hold a cocktail party on a floor where the women normally weren't allowed. When this happened, the secretaries and clerks were sent up and paraded around in front of the big shots.

That's not glamorous. That's stifling and unfair.
Title: Re: I hoped this was a poe...
Post by: R. U. Sirius on May 31, 2013, 05:36:52 pm
But remember, Clochette, looks are everything! It's what's on the outside that counts!
Title: Re: I hoped this was a poe...
Post by: Osama bin Bambi on May 31, 2013, 06:16:16 pm
Another reason why older films portray a whitewashed view of the past was because of the Hays code (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_Picture_Production_Code#Don.27ts_and_Be_Carefuls), which wasn't completely abandoned until the 60s. There's a fascinating movie about how directors got around the Hays code when it came to depicting homosexuality in American cinema, though I can't remember the name right now.

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Note that directors weren't allowed to criticize the clergy, use profanity, mention drugs or sexual health, criticize marriage, portray police officers in a bad light, or do anything that might be considered "seditious," among other bullshit. As for rape, it does say that "rape or attempted rape" can be depicted as long as it is done "tastefully," but at the time this probably simply meant that rape shouldn't be mentioned at all, or if it was it should be blamed on the woman. (A male rape victim probably would have never seen screen time.)
Title: Re: I hoped this was a poe...
Post by: Thejebusfire on June 01, 2013, 12:22:06 am
Because women never dressed provocatively in the old days, right?

Spoilered for NSFW.
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Title: Re: I hoped this was a poe...
Post by: Feral Dog on June 01, 2013, 01:23:42 am
            White slavery

Forced prostitution, for those not in the know.
Title: Re: I hoped this was a poe...
Post by: Stormwarden on June 01, 2013, 02:20:57 am
This amuses me...I see her daughter was never told of Josephine Baker, or other actresses like her (Seriously, Josephine Baker is underappreciated even now. If you intend to google her, watch out for NSFW, just to warn you). Besides, we had a lot of other problems in the '50s and '60s...race riots, rampant sexism, bigotry in general, and let's not forget the Red Scare and McCarthyism.
Title: Re: I hoped this was a poe...
Post by: Osama bin Bambi on June 04, 2013, 01:00:14 am
            White slavery

Forced prostitution, for those not in the know.

Because forced prostitution of other races isn't as bad somehow? :/
Title: Re: I hoped this was a poe...
Post by: dpareja on June 04, 2013, 01:02:53 am
            White slavery

Forced prostitution, for those not in the know.

Because forced prostitution of other races isn't as bad somehow? :/

<racist>Who cares about the niggers, chinks, japs, injuns, etc...</racist>
Title: Re: I hoped this was a poe...
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 02, 2013, 11:11:39 am
I do love the part about "having in mind the effect which a too-detailed description of these may have upon the moron". At least they were honest about people who are influenced by movies.