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Rubbish => Preaching and Worship => Topic started by: Jacob Harrison on June 19, 2018, 02:12:22 pm
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I am confused why I keep getting banned? I thought that the preaching and worship section is the safe section to make politically incorrect posts and comments.
Anyway, I did more research and realized that even the Jacobite line is not the legitimate line of succession to the English throne. The reason is because the Jacobite line comes from Henry VII Tudor who gained the throne, not by birthright but by conquest in 1485 after defeating the last King of the Yorkist side of Wars of the Roses, Richard III.
I find House of Lancaster to be the more legitimate side of the War of the Roses, so England’s last legitimate monarch was Henry VI. Following the line of Primogeniture under English Commom Law, the descendants of the eldest son of John of Gaunt, John Beaufort should have been the Kings of England. According to the Wikipedia article on alternative successions to the English crown, that would mean that Henry Somerset 12 Duke of Beaufort should be the rightful King of England right now.
He is also the rightful Lord of Ireland(Ireland back then was a Lordship ruled by the English Kings), as well as the King of France because of English claims to the French throne.
So now that I realize that King James I was not the legitimate King of England, I am no longer Anglican and no longer accept the King James Bible as the true Bible. I am reverting back to the Latin Vulgate Bible. But I am not converting back to Roman Catholicism because they canonized the bitch Joan of Arc.
Because of that I am now an Old Catholic, which refers to Catholics that split from the Roman Catholic Church rejecting the concept of Papal Supremacy and Infallibility. Most of the Old Catholics are in the Union of Utrecht which is actually in Communion with the Anglican Church. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_of_Utrecht
Unfortunately there are not many of those Churches in America, so I will have to go to an Anglican Church in the future. It will have to have a male priest so because it is Catholic tradition that only men can be in the clergy. It is not sexist, it is just God wants the Church leaders to be celibate so having women clergy would cause temptation to have sex.
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If you're American, why are you so fixated on the British Royal Family?
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Don't see many important things here. Just whining about thrones and the asses that sit on them.
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If you're American, why are you so fixated on the British Royal Family?
Because of America’s Anglo Saxon cultural heritage.
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Don't see many important things here. Just whining about thrones and the asses that sit on them.
The reason why it matters is because of property rights. The entire Kingdom of England was the property of the Kings. Therefore it is a violation of property rights for the heirs of John Beaufort to be deprived of what their rightful property.
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I don't care and I don't think anyone else does who Joe Boyfort is or what his claim is. People just don't care about monarchs any more.
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I don't care and I don't think anyone else does who Joe Boyfort is or what his claim is. People just don't care about monarchs any more.
Let’s say that your found out that you were supposed to inherit family property and money but the property gets put into the hands of another person. Wouldn’t you be pissed and press claims for the property in court. That is why you should be angry that the descendants of John Beaufort do not have their rightful thrones.
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Britain is the rightful property of GogMaGog, the King of the Giants. No human has any rightful cliam to anything English.
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You've said you care about this because the US has an Anglo-Saxon heritage.
Which it does, purely by conquest and theft.
Which, incidentally, is often how thrones get passed from one noble family to another.
And anyway, as I said before, this entire discussion is moot because Parliament explicitly provided that the succession would be limited to the Protestant descendants of Sophia of Hanover, passed through (as originally enacted) male-preference primogeniture (recently amended to absolute primogeniture). If you can find me proof that that procedure has been violated since the passage of the Act of Settlement, that's fine; otherwise, you're blowing smoke out your ass.
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I disagree with all of you. By all reasonable accounts, the crowns of England, Scotland, France, Jamaica and pretty much everywhere else rightfully belong to me. This is of course due to the Fuck You laws of 1467 and the ever popular Treaty of Suck My Big Fat One of 1630, in which absolute authority over the entire world and all of its filthy peasants was legally agreed upon to be my property. Agreed upon by who? Nobody knows, but they are official, totally legitimate documents written on real parchment by a bunch of inbred feudalists and therefore the ultimate authority of everything. Anyone who disagrees is not a True Patriot and an all around bumface.
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You've said you care about this because the US has an Anglo-Saxon heritage.
Which it does, purely by conquest and theft.
Which, incidentally, is often how thrones get passed from one noble family to another.
And anyway, as I said before, this entire discussion is moot because Parliament explicitly provided that the succession would be limited to the Protestant descendants of Sophia of Hanover, passed through (as originally enacted) male-preference primogeniture (recently amended to absolute primogeniture). If you can find me proof that that procedure has been violated since the passage of the Act of Settlement, that's fine; otherwise, you're blowing smoke out your ass.
It is the government of England that seized the crown from Henry VI that has ruled England since purely by conquest and theft. The entire discussion is not moot because it means that the entire government of England since 1461 has been an illegitimate illegal government. As I said before, it matters because of property rights. The Kingdom of England was the property of King Henry VI and was supposed to be transferred by male preference primogeniture to the decendants of John Beaufort. Their property has been stolen from them.
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I disagree with all of you. By all reasonable accounts, the crowns of England, Scotland, France, Jamaica and pretty much everywhere else rightfully belong to me. This is of course due to the Fuck You laws of 1467 and the ever popular Treaty of Suck My Big Fat One of 1630, in which absolute authority over the entire world and all of its filthy peasants was legally agreed upon to be my property. Agreed upon by who? Nobody knows, but they are official, totally legitimate documents written on real parchment by a bunch of inbred feudalists and therefore the ultimate authority of everything. Anyone who disagrees is not a True Patriot and an all around bumface.
In that alternate universe how are you possibly that old, and why did the people around the world want YOU to rule over them?
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It is the government of England that seized the crown from Henry VI that has ruled England since purely by conquest and theft.
...which is how political power was often passed back then.
If you're going to cry foul about that, I would suggest that you instead figure out what the succession would've been if William hadn't won the Battle of Hastings.
And if you want to talk about property rights and their abrogation via conquest and theft, get the fuck off Native American land.
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I disagree with all of you. By all reasonable accounts, the crowns of England, Scotland, France, Jamaica and pretty much everywhere else rightfully belong to me. This is of course due to the Fuck You laws of 1467 and the ever popular Treaty of Suck My Big Fat One of 1630, in which absolute authority over the entire world and all of its filthy peasants was legally agreed upon to be my property. Agreed upon by who? Nobody knows, but they are official, totally legitimate documents written on real parchment by a bunch of inbred feudalists and therefore the ultimate authority of everything. Anyone who disagrees is not a True Patriot and an all around bumface.
In that alternate universe how are you possibly that old, and why did the people around the world want YOU to rule over them?
Because we've seen him whip it out.
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It is the government of England that seized the crown from Henry VI that has ruled England since purely by conquest and theft.
...which is how political power was often passed back then.
If you're going to cry foul about that, I would suggest that you instead figure out what the succession would've been if William hadn't won the Battle of Hastings.
And if you want to talk about property rights and their abrogation via conquest and theft, get the fuck off Native American land.
William seized the throne legitimately because earlier, Harold Godwinson swore an oath to William that William would have the throne, so Harold Godwinson broke his oath.
And the Native Americans didn’t have civilization, so it was not a theft of their land for the Europeans to settle in the Americas. And no, America did not commit genocide against the natives, they died of small pox.
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Native Americans did have civilization. There is even claim that the laws of the Six Nations were used as an inspiration for the US constitution when it was written due to the similarities.
And Europeans did fucking commit genocide against the natives. They were herded into reservations, shot on sight, wars waged against them where civilians were targeted, their languages and history were attempted to be erased. That is genocide even if you disregard the attempts to weaponize small pox against them.
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Really Jacob I've got a direct question for you: What will you say when you die, and there's Huitzilopochtli waiting for you? And he asks you why he should let you into his heaven (one of 13) when you didn't volunteer to have your heart cut out in ritual human sacrifice? Keeping the sun rising is hard work and the God's need their blood.
Obviously we should find whoever is the closest descendant of Moctezuma the second and revive the Aztec empire (obviously everyone in Mexico would be all for this) and then go on a genocidal conquest of the rest of the world to give the Gods fresh blood and hearts. Obviously Aztec mythology is true because many Aztecs sacrificed themselves and why would they die for a lie?
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And the Native Americans didn’t have civilization, so it was not a theft of their land for the Europeans to settle in the Americas. And no, America did not commit genocide against the natives, they died of small pox.
Didn't have civilization? You do realize that the US Constitution was at least partly based on how the Iroquois governed themselves, right? Just because it wasn't civilization as Christian Europeans recognized it doesn't mean it wasn't civilized.
As for smallpox, who introduced that? And even after that, must I remind you of the Trail of Tears? And, for that matter, that the US has abrogated many (if not all) of the treaties it signed with Native Americans, in some cases meaning that they are technically at war with them. (The 1868 Treaty of Fort Laramie, which ended Red Cloud's War, comes to mind, having been ultimately unilaterally abrogated by the US in 1877 through their seizure of land given to the Native Americans by the treaty and thus putting the parties to that treaty back into a state of war which persists to this day, with the lands in question effectively under military occupation by the US.)
EDIT: As for Harold II and William, Harold's promise may have been made while captive, that is, under duress, which casts doubt on how legally binding it actually was.
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Ok, maybe it was civilization, but it was primitive tribal civilization, not advanced western civilization. And no what the US did wasn’t genocide, it was acts of warfare. The English, and Americans intent was to settle out west, bring western civilization, and have the natives assimilate into American culture and convert to Christianity.
And you can’t call smallpox genocide because it the science of it was not known was never spread intentionally with the intent of wiping out the natives. It was a horrible tragedy but not genocide.
Yeah the trail of tears was bad but that was done under America’s first DEMOCRAT president Andrew Jackson.
As for Harold and William, it was Catholic Church policy that an oath sworn before God must not be broken, which is why the Norman Invasion has a Papal Blessing. So it was legitimate.
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Ok, maybe it was civilization, but it was primitive tribal civilization, not advanced western civilization. And no what the US did wasn’t genocide, it was acts of warfare. The English, and Americans intent was to settle out west, bring western civilization, and have the natives assimilate into American culture and convert to Christianity.
And you can’t call smallpox genocide because it the science of it was not known was never spread intentionally with the intent of wiping out the natives. It was a horrible tragedy but not genocide.
Yeah the trail of tears was bad but that was done under America’s first DEMOCRAT president Andrew Jackson.
As for Harold and William, it was Catholic Church policy that an oath sworn before God must not be broken, which is why the Norman Invasion has a Papal Blessing. So it was legitimate.
What American culture? They hadn't exactly been there long. As for forced religious conversion, FUCK YOU YOU PIECE OF SHIT.
As for smallpox, the germ theory of disease might not exactly have been known, but it doesn't take a genius to know, "we give them these blankets, they get sick and die". Once you know that, doing it deliberately is genocide.
As for Jackson, the 1960s called, they want their political inversion back.
As for "oaths sworn before God," since no satisfactory evidence has ever been presented that such a being exists, and therefore all claims to any authority by any religion ever made have no basis in anything approximating reality, that can fuck off too--and doubly so since it was done under duress.
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I hate to defend Jacob, but the "smallpox blankets" narrative is probably a myth (https://adamsmacros.quora.com/The-Smallpox-Blanket-Myth). There was only one documented attempt to do so, during the 1763 Siege of Fort Pitt. Furthermore, it was done by British military officers, not the American government (since there was no American government as we know it at the time), and we don't even know if it was successful.
That being said, he's still full of shit regarding just about everything else, as dpareja so skillfully pointed out. But I'd like to add a few things of my own.
"Primitive tribal civilization?" Much of our constitution was inspired by the Iroquois Confederacy, as was pointed out earlier. You also can't ignore the facts that "settling out west" all too often involved displacing the natives who were already there, and "native assimilation" tended to be done by force.
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Don't see many important things here. Just whining about thrones and the asses that sit on them.
The reason why it matters is because of property rights. The entire Kingdom of England was the property of the Kings. Therefore it is a violation of property rights for the heirs of John Beaufort to be deprived of what their rightful property.
Who the fuck is John Beaufort? Actually, don't even answer that, I don't care.
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Ok, maybe it was civilization, but it was primitive tribal civilization, not advanced western civilization. And no what the US did wasn’t genocide, it was acts of warfare. The English, and Americans intent was to settle out west, bring western civilization, and have the natives assimilate into American culture and convert to Christianity.
And you can’t call smallpox genocide because it the science of it was not known was never spread intentionally with the intent of wiping out the natives. It was a horrible tragedy but not genocide.
Yeah the trail of tears was bad but that was done under America’s first DEMOCRAT president Andrew Jackson.
As for Harold and William, it was Catholic Church policy that an oath sworn before God must not be broken, which is why the Norman Invasion has a Papal Blessing. So it was legitimate.
What American culture? They hadn't exactly been there long. As for forced religious conversion, FUCK YOU YOU PIECE OF SHIT.
As for smallpox, the germ theory of disease might not exactly have been known, but it doesn't take a genius to know, "we give them these blankets, they get sick and die". Once you know that, doing it deliberately is genocide.
As for Jackson, the 1960s called, they want their political inversion back.
As for "oaths sworn before God," since no satisfactory evidence has ever been presented that such a being exists, and therefore all claims to any authority by any religion ever made have no basis in anything approximating reality, that can fuck off too--and doubly so since it was done under duress.
America’s Anglo Saxon Christian culture. Why was forced conversions bad? It forced them to convert from more primitive religions and superstitions to a more civilized one. And as Lana Reverse said, the smallpox blankets is a myth.
And regardless of whether you believe in God or not, the Catholic Church had authority in Europe and under their religious laws, an oath sworn before their God could not be broken.
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Ok, maybe it was civilization, but it was primitive tribal civilization, not advanced western civilization. And no what the US did wasn’t genocide, it was acts of warfare. The English, and Americans intent was to settle out west, bring western civilization, and have the natives assimilate into American culture and convert to Christianity.
And you can’t call smallpox genocide because it the science of it was not known was never spread intentionally with the intent of wiping out the natives. It was a horrible tragedy but not genocide.
Yeah the trail of tears was bad but that was done under America’s first DEMOCRAT president Andrew Jackson.
As for Harold and William, it was Catholic Church policy that an oath sworn before God must not be broken, which is why the Norman Invasion has a Papal Blessing. So it was legitimate.
What American culture? They hadn't exactly been there long. As for forced religious conversion, FUCK YOU YOU PIECE OF SHIT.
As for smallpox, the germ theory of disease might not exactly have been known, but it doesn't take a genius to know, "we give them these blankets, they get sick and die". Once you know that, doing it deliberately is genocide.
As for Jackson, the 1960s called, they want their political inversion back.
As for "oaths sworn before God," since no satisfactory evidence has ever been presented that such a being exists, and therefore all claims to any authority by any religion ever made have no basis in anything approximating reality, that can fuck off too--and doubly so since it was done under duress.
America’s Anglo Saxon Christian culture. Why was forced conversions bad? It forced them to convert from more primitive religions and superstitions to a more civilized one. And as Lana Reverse said, the smallpox blankets is a myth.
And regardless of whether you believe in God or not, the Catholic Church had authority in Europe and under their religious laws, an oath sworn before their God could not be broken.
Forced conversions are wrong because they violate the fundamental right to freedom of conscience and belief. And I'd hardly call a religion that sanctions slavery, condones conquest rape, orders genocide, and preaches infinite punishment for finite crimes "civilized".
The Catholic Church's claimed authority in Europe was based on an unsubstantiated myth and maintained through fear, force, and ignorance--in short, it was completely illegitimate and so, therefore, were their laws.
"Morality comes from humanism and is stolen by religion for its own purposes." -- Christopher Hitchens
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Ok, maybe it was civilization, but it was primitive tribal civilization, not advanced western civilization. And no what the US did wasn’t genocide, it was acts of warfare. The English, and Americans intent was to settle out west, bring western civilization, and have the natives assimilate into American culture and convert to Christianity.
And you can’t call smallpox genocide because it the science of it was not known was never spread intentionally with the intent of wiping out the natives. It was a horrible tragedy but not genocide.
Yeah the trail of tears was bad but that was done under America’s first DEMOCRAT president Andrew Jackson.
As for Harold and William, it was Catholic Church policy that an oath sworn before God must not be broken, which is why the Norman Invasion has a Papal Blessing. So it was legitimate.
What American culture? They hadn't exactly been there long. As for forced religious conversion, FUCK YOU YOU PIECE OF SHIT.
As for smallpox, the germ theory of disease might not exactly have been known, but it doesn't take a genius to know, "we give them these blankets, they get sick and die". Once you know that, doing it deliberately is genocide.
As for Jackson, the 1960s called, they want their political inversion back.
As for "oaths sworn before God," since no satisfactory evidence has ever been presented that such a being exists, and therefore all claims to any authority by any religion ever made have no basis in anything approximating reality, that can fuck off too--and doubly so since it was done under duress.
America’s Anglo Saxon Christian culture. Why was forced conversions bad? It forced them to convert from more primitive religions and superstitions to a more civilized one. And as Lana Reverse said, the smallpox blankets is a myth.
And regardless of whether you believe in God or not, the Catholic Church had authority in Europe and under their religious laws, an oath sworn before their God could not be broken.
Why didn't you acknowledge my criticisms? You clearly read my post.
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Ok, maybe it was civilization, but it was primitive tribal civilization, not advanced western civilization. And no what the US did wasn’t genocide, it was acts of warfare. The English, and Americans intent was to settle out west, bring western civilization, and have the natives assimilate into American culture and convert to Christianity.
And you can’t call smallpox genocide because it the science of it was not known was never spread intentionally with the intent of wiping out the natives. It was a horrible tragedy but not genocide.
Yeah the trail of tears was bad but that was done under America’s first DEMOCRAT president Andrew Jackson.
As for Harold and William, it was Catholic Church policy that an oath sworn before God must not be broken, which is why the Norman Invasion has a Papal Blessing. So it was legitimate.
What American culture? They hadn't exactly been there long. As for forced religious conversion, FUCK YOU YOU PIECE OF SHIT.
As for smallpox, the germ theory of disease might not exactly have been known, but it doesn't take a genius to know, "we give them these blankets, they get sick and die". Once you know that, doing it deliberately is genocide.
As for Jackson, the 1960s called, they want their political inversion back.
As for "oaths sworn before God," since no satisfactory evidence has ever been presented that such a being exists, and therefore all claims to any authority by any religion ever made have no basis in anything approximating reality, that can fuck off too--and doubly so since it was done under duress.
America’s Anglo Saxon Christian culture. Why was forced conversions bad? It forced them to convert from more primitive religions and superstitions to a more civilized one. And as Lana Reverse said, the smallpox blankets is a myth.
And regardless of whether you believe in God or not, the Catholic Church had authority in Europe and under their religious laws, an oath sworn before their God could not be broken.
Forced conversions are wrong because they violate the fundamental right to freedom of conscience and belief. And I'd hardly call a religion that sanctions slavery, condones conquest rape, orders genocide, and preaches infinite punishment for finite crimes "civilized".
The Catholic Church's claimed authority in Europe was based on an unsubstantiated myth and maintained through fear, force, and ignorance--in short, it was completely illegitimate and so, therefore, were their laws.
"Morality comes from humanism and is stolen by religion for its own purposes." -- Christopher Hitchens
Christianity is more civilized than the native religions because Christianity helped unify Europe during the Middle Ages, when the Europeans were converted to Christianity. The Catholic Churches got it’s authority by spreading their religion through Europe and conversions of Pagans by certain Saints. So they did spread their authority throughout Europe using legitimate means.
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I hate to defend Jacob, but the "smallpox blankets" narrative is probably a myth (https://adamsmacros.quora.com/The-Smallpox-Blanket-Myth). There was only one documented attempt to do so, during the 1763 Siege of Fort Pitt. Furthermore, it was done by British military officers, not the American government (since there was no American government as we know it at the time), and we don't even know if it was successful.
That being said, he's still full of shit regarding just about everything else, as dpareja so skillfully pointed out. But I'd like to add a few things of my own.
"Primitive tribal civilization?" Much of our constitution was inspired by the Iroquois Confederacy, as was pointed out earlier. You also can't ignore the facts that "settling out west" all too often involved displacing the natives who were already there, and "native assimilation" tended to be done by force.
The Iroquois Confederacy May have inspired our constitution but they were far from being an advanced civilization like Europe.
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I hate to defend Jacob, but the "smallpox blankets" narrative is probably a myth (https://adamsmacros.quora.com/The-Smallpox-Blanket-Myth). There was only one documented attempt to do so, during the 1763 Siege of Fort Pitt. Furthermore, it was done by British military officers, not the American government (since there was no American government as we know it at the time), and we don't even know if it was successful.
That being said, he's still full of shit regarding just about everything else, as dpareja so skillfully pointed out. But I'd like to add a few things of my own.
"Primitive tribal civilization?" Much of our constitution was inspired by the Iroquois Confederacy, as was pointed out earlier. You also can't ignore the facts that "settling out west" all too often involved displacing the natives who were already there, and "native assimilation" tended to be done by force.
The Iroquois Confederacy May have inspired our constitution but they were far from being an advanced civilization like Europe.
How do you define "advanced civilization?"
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Don't see many important things here. Just whining about thrones and the asses that sit on them.
The reason why it matters is because of property rights. The entire Kingdom of England was the property of the Kings. Therefore it is a violation of property rights for the heirs of John Beaufort to be deprived of what their rightful property.
Who the fuck is John Beaufort? Actually, don't even answer that, I don't care.
I'm pretty sure he doesn't care either.
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Don't see many important things here. Just whining about thrones and the asses that sit on them.
The reason why it matters is because of property rights. The entire Kingdom of England was the property of the Kings. Therefore it is a violation of property rights for the heirs of John Beaufort to be deprived of what their rightful property.
Who the fuck is John Beaufort? Actually, don't even answer that, I don't care.
I'm pretty sure he doesn't care either.
It's pretty hard to care... when you're dead.
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Don't see many important things here. Just whining about thrones and the asses that sit on them.
The reason why it matters is because of property rights. The entire Kingdom of England was the property of the Kings. Therefore it is a violation of property rights for the heirs of John Beaufort to be deprived of what their rightful property.
Who the fuck is John Beaufort? Actually, don't even answer that, I don't care.
I'm pretty sure he doesn't care either.
It's pretty hard to care... when you're dead.
I don't think J-man the jeans jizzer cares either. As opposed to the centuries old Norman toff
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I disagree with all of you. By all reasonable accounts, the crowns of England, Scotland, France, Jamaica and pretty much everywhere else rightfully belong to me. This is of course due to the Fuck You laws of 1467 and the ever popular Treaty of Suck My Big Fat One of 1630, in which absolute authority over the entire world and all of its filthy peasants was legally agreed upon to be my property. Agreed upon by who? Nobody knows, but they are official, totally legitimate documents written on real parchment by a bunch of inbred feudalists and therefore the ultimate authority of everything. Anyone who disagrees is not a True Patriot and an all around bumface.
In that alternate universe how are you possibly that old, and why did the people around the world want YOU to rule over them?
Because we've seen him whip it out.
See? This guy gets it.
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As to the property rights thing, I wouldn't care at all - and nowadays I don't imagine many would care to be ruled by someone based on "do you know who my ancestor 500 years ago was? I am more legitimate based on my distant ancestors as opposed to who you have now."
And again - try going to Britain and starting shit.
Until then I'll gladly mock your obsession with Jim Bixburp and his claim to legally fart on a certain throne.
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Why was forced conversions bad?
Here this should answer your question
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peLd_jtMdrc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGrJNUCQ-r4
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Well, y'see Jackoffite, how would you feel if someone forced you to piss on your Bible and swear allegiance to some other deity or belief? And all the people who did this would say is "we're better than you. We get to make your choices for you."
(I propose we auto-correct Jacobite to Jackoffite in light of his proclivities)
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You know what I will say? Our resident denim lover's ramblings about feudal succession has gotten me back into Crusader Kings 2. Decided to try something different, so I went with the chief of the Isle of Mann. Got a very successful trade/piracy based economy up and running a lot sooner than I thought I would. The current plan is to become a trade republic and eventually kick the Muslims out of Iberia and replace them with either Christian or Germanic client states ruled by my kinsmen.
Should be fun, methinks.
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I hate to defend Jacob, but the "smallpox blankets" narrative is probably a myth (https://adamsmacros.quora.com/The-Smallpox-Blanket-Myth). There was only one documented attempt to do so, during the 1763 Siege of Fort Pitt. Furthermore, it was done by British military officers, not the American government (since there was no American government as we know it at the time), and we don't even know if it was successful.
That being said, he's still full of shit regarding just about everything else, as dpareja so skillfully pointed out. But I'd like to add a few things of my own.
"Primitive tribal civilization?" Much of our constitution was inspired by the Iroquois Confederacy, as was pointed out earlier. You also can't ignore the facts that "settling out west" all too often involved displacing the natives who were already there, and "native assimilation" tended to be done by force.
The Iroquois Confederacy May have inspired our constitution but they were far from being an advanced civilization like Europe.
How do you define "advanced civilization?"
Advanced civilization is civilization that has cities, currency, writing, historical records, written laws, scholars, and scientists. That is what Europe had which most native tribes in North America did not have.
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Well, y'see Jackoffite, how would you feel if someone forced you to piss on your Bible and swear allegiance to some other deity or belief? And all the people who did this would say is "we're better than you. We get to make your choices for you."
(I propose we auto-correct Jacobite to Jackoffite in light of his proclivities)
I am no longer a Jacobite because the Jacobite line of succession comes from the House of Stuart which ruled in the 1600s. My research shows that the Jacobite line of succession is not legitimate either because the Stuarts are descended from Henry VII and does not follow the male primogeniture line of succession of hte descendants of John Beaufort.
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Why was forced conversions bad?
Here this should answer your question
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peLd_jtMdrc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGrJNUCQ-r4
Those crimes against the natives were done in Canada which was part of the British Empire, not America. The British Empire committed far worse crimes against indigenous peoples than America ever did based on what happened to the natives in Canada, the aborigines in Australia, blacks in Africa under British rule etc.
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Why was forced conversions bad?
Here this should answer your question
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peLd_jtMdrc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGrJNUCQ-r4
Those crimes against the natives were done in Canada which was part of the British Empire, not America. The British Empire committed far worse crimes against indigenous peoples than America ever did based on what happened to the natives in Canada, the aborigines in Australia, blacks in Africa under British rule etc.
Eh, I come from California - back before we were a liberal den of Hollywood and celebrity, there was unquestionably a genocide against the local Native Americans by the American Government. As in, people ran for public office in the United States based on "I will commit genocide on these Indians".
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Incidentally, a red flag for someone being ignorant, a hack, a racist, or some combination of the preceding is emphasizing that Andrew Jackson was a DEMOCRAT when it's brought up how fucking awful that shithead was.
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Look at those goalposts move.
"Advanced civilization" my ass. It seems to me that our good friend Harrison here has already approved of murder, rape, robbery, forcing people to act against the sexual identity and all kinds of nasty stuff and it is always for the same reason. "It's OK when I or people I like are doing it."
Now, that's not how it works. There really is nothing distinguishing Harrison's justification from those that Art made in jest.
Any law that is based on "it is OK when I do it" is nothing but tyranny or corruption.
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Why was forced conversions bad?
Here this should answer your question
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peLd_jtMdrc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGrJNUCQ-r4
Those crimes against the natives were done in Canada which was part of the British Empire, not America. The British Empire committed far worse crimes against indigenous peoples than America ever did based on what happened to the natives in Canada, the aborigines in Australia, blacks in Africa under British rule etc.
Eh, I come from California - back before we were a liberal den of Hollywood and celebrity, there was unquestionably a genocide against the local Native Americans by the American Government. As in, people ran for public office in the United States based on "I will commit genocide on these Indians".
There was warfare, forced relocation, and civilian casulties but it was not genocide because most of the deaths happened accidentally due to small pox. The US wanted to mine gold in California which would help the economy but the natives attacked the American settlers causing the war. What matters is who attacked who first.
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Why was forced conversions bad?
Here this should answer your question
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peLd_jtMdrc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGrJNUCQ-r4
Those crimes against the natives were done in Canada which was part of the British Empire, not America. The British Empire committed far worse crimes against indigenous peoples than America ever did based on what happened to the natives in Canada, the aborigines in Australia, blacks in Africa under British rule etc.
Eh, I come from California - back before we were a liberal den of Hollywood and celebrity, there was unquestionably a genocide against the local Native Americans by the American Government. As in, people ran for public office in the United States based on "I will commit genocide on these Indians".
There was warfare, forced relocation, and civilian casulties but it was not genocide because most of the deaths happened accidentally due to small pox. The US wanted to mine gold in California which would help the economy but the natives attacked the American settlers causing the war. What matters is who attacked who first.
You are aware that there's such a thing as disproportionate retribution, right?
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Concentration camps, SEVERAL forced relocations, the reservations, the government trying to destroy their culture and language by assaulting children who speak their mother tongue, Wounded knee, several wars, offering bounties for Indian scalps (regardless of age or sex) and the list goes on...
But I suppose you still believe in "Manifest destiny" and can condone all of this, am I right?
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It doesn't matter who started the war. Even if the natives were the aggressors (a claim you haven't backed up), that doesn't justify what happened to them. Haven't you ever heard that two wrongs don't make a right?
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Concentration camps, SEVERAL forced relocations, the reservations, the government trying to destroy their culture and language by assaulting children who speak their mother tongue, Wounded knee, several wars, offering bounties for Indian scalps (regardless of age or sex) and the list goes on...
But I suppose you still believe in "Manifest destiny" and can condone all of this, am I right?
The Concentration Camps were work camps not death camps like the Nazi Camps. The reservations were a peace deal to keep them in certain areas while the Americans settled. Yeah there were some excesses but there were atrocities committed on both sides of the Wars with settlers being masacred. And most natives died of small pox. Manifest destiny was justified because it brought civilization out west.
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Concentration camps, SEVERAL forced relocations, the reservations, the government trying to destroy their culture and language by assaulting children who speak their mother tongue, Wounded knee, several wars, offering bounties for Indian scalps (regardless of age or sex) and the list goes on...
But I suppose you still believe in "Manifest destiny" and can condone all of this, am I right?
The Concentration Camps were work camps not death camps like the Nazi Camps. The reservations were a peace deal to keep them in certain areas while the Americans settled. Yeah there were some excesses but there were atrocities committed on both sides of the Wars with settlers being masacred. And most natives died of small pox. Manifest destiny was justified because it brought civilization out west.
The fact that natives committed massacres too doesn't justify the crimes against them. How hard is this for you to understand?
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Why was forced conversions bad?
Here this should answer your questionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peLd_jtMdrc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peLd_jtMdrc)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGrJNUCQ-r4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGrJNUCQ-r4)
Those crimes against the natives were done in Canada which was part of the British Empire, not America. The British Empire committed far worse crimes against indigenous peoples than America ever did based on what happened to the natives in Canada, the aborigines in Australia, blacks in Africa under British rule etc.
Eh, I come from California - back before we were a liberal den of Hollywood and celebrity, there was unquestionably a genocide against the local Native Americans by the American Government. As in, people ran for public office in the United States based on "I will commit genocide on these Indians".
There was warfare, forced relocation, and civilian casulties but it was not genocide because most of the deaths happened accidentally due to small pox. The US wanted to mine gold in California which would help the economy but the natives attacked the American settlers causing the war. What matters is who attacked who first.
Oh. Right. Completely unprovoked violence on behalf of the Natives. Yeeep. BTW, me and my buddies own your house and land and that of all your family and friends and if you do anything to prevent me from coming and taking it we're gonna declare war on you. Also, there's several times more of us than you and we've done this kind of shit before. But you're the one in the wrong if you defend yourself. Because it'll be good for my economy if I do this. Kthxbai. Oh, btw, you can keep this tiny bit of land because we deemed it not good enough for us. We "reserved" it, just for you.
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You know what the best part of all the shit the US has done to the Native Americans is?
The US is only recognized as an independent country because the Native Americans were ballsy enough to stand up to the British Empire.
It's a generally-accepted tenet of international law that to be considered independent, at least one independent country must recognize you as such (and generally lots more).
But back when the nascent US declared its independence from the British Empire, nobody was willing to recognize them as such because they didn't want to piss off the Brits... except for the Native Americans, who were at that time recognized as independent nations.
If it hadn't been for that, the US might never have been recognized as being independent by the rest of the international community.
And now US courts consider Native American tribes to be, hilariously and oxymoronically, "dependent sovereigns."
A brief history of US-Native American relations, then:
The Native Americans had a ton of land, and they gave some to the US and told everyone it was theirs.
The US turned around and kicked the Native Americans off the rest of their land.
The US gave a bit of land back to the Native Americans (sort of) and told them to shut up and be grateful.
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Concentration camps, SEVERAL forced relocations, the reservations, the government trying to destroy their culture and language by assaulting children who speak their mother tongue, Wounded knee, several wars, offering bounties for Indian scalps (regardless of age or sex) and the list goes on...
But I suppose you still believe in "Manifest destiny" and can condone all of this, am I right?
The Concentration Camps were work camps not death camps like the Nazi Camps. The reservations were a peace deal to keep them in certain areas while the Americans settled. Yeah there were some excesses but there were atrocities committed on both sides of the Wars with settlers being masacred. And most natives died of small pox. Manifest destiny was justified because it brought civilization out west.
The fact that natives committed massacres too doesn't justify the crimes against them. How hard is this for you to understand?
I now it doesn’t but in every war, excesses are committed on both sides by settlers and by natives. There was no official US government document of a plot to commit genocide against the native Americans.
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Why was forced conversions bad?
Here this should answer your questionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peLd_jtMdrc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peLd_jtMdrc)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGrJNUCQ-r4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGrJNUCQ-r4)
Those crimes against the natives were done in Canada which was part of the British Empire, not America. The British Empire committed far worse crimes against indigenous peoples than America ever did based on what happened to the natives in Canada, the aborigines in Australia, blacks in Africa under British rule etc.
Eh, I come from California - back before we were a liberal den of Hollywood and celebrity, there was unquestionably a genocide against the local Native Americans by the American Government. As in, people ran for public office in the United States based on "I will commit genocide on these Indians".
There was warfare, forced relocation, and civilian casulties but it was not genocide because most of the deaths happened accidentally due to small pox. The US wanted to mine gold in California which would help the economy but the natives attacked the American settlers causing the war. What matters is who attacked who first.
Oh. Right. Completely unprovoked violence on behalf of the Natives. Yeeep. BTW, me and my buddies own your house and land and that of all your family and friends and if you do anything to prevent me from coming and taking it we're gonna declare war on you. Also, there's several times more of us than you and we've done this kind of shit before. But you're the one in the wrong if you defend yourself. Because it'll be good for my economy if I do this. Kthxbai. Oh, btw, you can keep this tiny bit of land because we deemed it not good enough for us. We "reserved" it, just for you.
The difference is that the native Americans were primitive tribes so they didn’t really own land. The original goal of the US was to conquer them and bring Western Civilization to them which is what Columbus did and which would be beneficial to them in the long run but sadly most died of small pox.
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Why was forced conversions bad?
Here this should answer your questionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peLd_jtMdrc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peLd_jtMdrc)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGrJNUCQ-r4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGrJNUCQ-r4)
Those crimes against the natives were done in Canada which was part of the British Empire, not America. The British Empire committed far worse crimes against indigenous peoples than America ever did based on what happened to the natives in Canada, the aborigines in Australia, blacks in Africa under British rule etc.
Eh, I come from California - back before we were a liberal den of Hollywood and celebrity, there was unquestionably a genocide against the local Native Americans by the American Government. As in, people ran for public office in the United States based on "I will commit genocide on these Indians".
There was warfare, forced relocation, and civilian casulties but it was not genocide because most of the deaths happened accidentally due to small pox. The US wanted to mine gold in California which would help the economy but the natives attacked the American settlers causing the war. What matters is who attacked who first.
Oh. Right. Completely unprovoked violence on behalf of the Natives. Yeeep. BTW, me and my buddies own your house and land and that of all your family and friends and if you do anything to prevent me from coming and taking it we're gonna declare war on you. Also, there's several times more of us than you and we've done this kind of shit before. But you're the one in the wrong if you defend yourself. Because it'll be good for my economy if I do this. Kthxbai. Oh, btw, you can keep this tiny bit of land because we deemed it not good enough for us. We "reserved" it, just for you.
The difference is that the native Americans were primitive tribes so they didn’t really own land. The original goal of the US was to conquer them and bring Western Civilization to them which is what Columbus did and which would be beneficial to them in the long run but sadly most died of small pox.
And here we go again with your apologist claptrap.
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Look would it have been possible without the destructive effects of colonialism to be able to see a proud Cherokee man clad in tight bull denim riding on a powerful horse through North Carolina?
No. Because Europeans brought both denim and horses to America.
Therefore everything was fine. Time to make interdimensional you tube videos.
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Why was forced conversions bad?
Here this should answer your questionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peLd_jtMdrc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peLd_jtMdrc)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGrJNUCQ-r4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGrJNUCQ-r4)
Those crimes against the natives were done in Canada which was part of the British Empire, not America. The British Empire committed far worse crimes against indigenous peoples than America ever did based on what happened to the natives in Canada, the aborigines in Australia, blacks in Africa under British rule etc.
Eh, I come from California - back before we were a liberal den of Hollywood and celebrity, there was unquestionably a genocide against the local Native Americans by the American Government. As in, people ran for public office in the United States based on "I will commit genocide on these Indians".
There was warfare, forced relocation, and civilian casulties but it was not genocide because most of the deaths happened accidentally due to small pox. The US wanted to mine gold in California which would help the economy but the natives attacked the American settlers causing the war. What matters is who attacked who first.
Oh. Right. Completely unprovoked violence on behalf of the Natives. Yeeep. BTW, me and my buddies own your house and land and that of all your family and friends and if you do anything to prevent me from coming and taking it we're gonna declare war on you. Also, there's several times more of us than you and we've done this kind of shit before. But you're the one in the wrong if you defend yourself. Because it'll be good for my economy if I do this. Kthxbai. Oh, btw, you can keep this tiny bit of land because we deemed it not good enough for us. We "reserved" it, just for you.
The difference is that the native Americans were primitive tribes so they didn’t really own land. The original goal of the US was to conquer them and bring Western Civilization to them which is what Columbus did and which would be beneficial to them in the long run but sadly most died of small pox.
uh, huh. Well that just leaves me with one recourse.
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Okay dude go fuck yourself.
Honestly I'm pretty sure you're just trolling and don't believe this crap, but there are still lines of good taste okay. Keep it to the goofy fun stuff like your plan to revive the extinct royal families and aliens telling you to make youtube videos. That's fun. Holocaust denial is not.
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If you listen to the first fifteen minutes of this you'll understand why I thought Jakeyboy was Tony Morris trolling us.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCN1w9-i3Ug
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Okay dude go fuck yourself.
Honestly I'm pretty sure you're just trolling and don't believe this crap, but there are still lines of good taste okay. Keep it to the goofy fun stuff like your plan to revive the extinct royal families and aliens telling you to make youtube videos. That's fun. Holocaust denial is not.
I am not denying that most of the native American’s died. I am saying that it was not part of a deliberate genocide plot and that it was small pox that killed most of them. It was a horrible tragedy but not genocide because genocide means deliberately trying to destroy a group. Anyway, I finished the script of the first 4 Episodes. And as I said on another thread, this is what caused me to start working on youtube videos documenting the evens in the parralel universe.
“On the night of June 9th, a blue portal appeared in my room. I walked through it and showed up in a castle. I met my parallel self from a parallel universe. He is a guard at the castle. A wizard performed a spell that merged us into one, and my merged self was told to go travel back to this universe to make animated videos documenting the events that happened in the parallel universe. The parallel universe was created by advanced time traveling aliens who change history which causes one timeline to split into two parallel timelines. The time that major world incidents changed started on the Halloween of 2011.”
So my parallel selves are merged into one so I have memories from both this universe and from the other universe. The other parralel universe is much more exciting with much more drastic events happening such as there being a new King with the Sword of Excalibur returning as King Arthur foretold when he was dying. I suggest you watch the 1981 movie Excalibur to get a better understanding of it.