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Community => Politics and Government => Topic started by: rageaholic on April 16, 2012, 04:51:34 pm

Title: Christian School teacher fired for our of wedlock pregnancy.
Post by: rageaholic on April 16, 2012, 04:51:34 pm
http://abcnews.go.com/US/texas-teacher-cathy-samford-fired-unwed-pregnancy-offered/story?id=16115051

Apparently, it was in the contract as some sort of "moral clause".  She should have read the contract, but it's still bullshit that they can do this in this day and age.  An out of wedlock pregnancy?  What's the big deal?  It sounds like their main issue was that she had sex before marriage. 

What really gets me is that in their attempt to appear "moral" and "righteous", they ended up potentially screwing over the baby when the mother can't support it.  All in the name of some intangible institution (marriage). 

It's a good example of why conservative "morality" is superficial bullshit. 

Title: Re: Christian School teacher fired for our of wedlock pregnancy.
Post by: MadCatTLX on April 16, 2012, 05:28:19 pm
 

What really gets me is that in their attempt to appear "moral" and "righteous", they ended up potentially screwing over the baby when the mother can't support it.  All in the name of some intangible institution (marriage). 


But she's a slutty immoral whore who will probably just kill the innocent(except for original sin) baby through abortion and cause it to go to hell(because god is merciful and loves it). I bet this harlot holds hands, in public no less! That's what gets you pregnant right? /fundie

Did I cover all the relevant bases?
Title: Re: Christian School teacher fired for our of wedlock pregnancy.
Post by: nickiknack on April 16, 2012, 06:14:45 pm
But don't you know out of wedlock pregnancy is EVIL???
Title: Re: Christian School teacher fired for our of wedlock pregnancy.
Post by: Dantes Virgil on April 16, 2012, 06:53:44 pm
This one is kind of hard for me.  On the one hand, I know just how hard it is to make it as a single mama and how much is sucks to have people do things to you/judge you for having a baby without being married.  On the other hand, that's the cost of doing business with fundamentalists.  :( It sucks, but it's not really much different from any other employer insisting on certain conditions.  Reminds me in a tangential way of a woman I know who worked in some secular way for the local Catholic church doing something with their paperwork, and they wouldn't fund any birth control for her as part of her health plan.  I think that's horrid, but on the other hand, it's not like she didn't know that was something the church thought was a big no-no when she started there, you know?  I'm more of a people first person, but I recognize the realities some employers impose.
Title: Re: Christian School teacher fired for our of wedlock pregnancy.
Post by: TheL on April 16, 2012, 09:14:58 pm
I know a Pagan who works at a Catholic school.  She has to stay deeply closeted, even though she doesn't teach religion courses or in any way influence the kids' spiritual development, because the job description says you have to be Catholic to work there.
Title: Re: Christian School teacher fired for our of wedlock pregnancy.
Post by: MadCatTLX on April 16, 2012, 09:23:42 pm
I know a Pagan who works at a Catholic school.  She has to stay deeply closeted, even though she doesn't teach religion courses or in any way influence the kids' spiritual development, because the job description says you have to be Catholic to work there.

Does she have to go to church to? How the hell do they even police that anyway? Is it even legal to require someone be a certain religion if the job isn't religious in nature ?

On a related note I'm in Boy Scouts and since Atheists and Agnostics are evil they aren't allowed in. Anytime the matter comes up(which is actually rare if ever) I say I'm a member of the Order of the Invisible Pink Unicorn, and I've instructed my atheist friend in the same troop to do the same. What religion you are doesn't actually matter, so we could say we're satanists and it would be okay, though I doubt anyone would actually kick us out if we said we were atheist with a megaphone.
Title: Re: Christian School teacher fired for our of wedlock pregnancy.
Post by: Thejebusfire on April 16, 2012, 10:26:37 pm
The virgin Mary got pregnant out of weblock too.
Title: Re: Christian School teacher fired for our of wedlock pregnancy.
Post by: Osama bin Bambi on April 16, 2012, 10:30:18 pm
The virgin Mary got pregnant out of wedlock too.
Title: Re: Christian School teacher fired for our of wedlock pregnancy.
Post by: N. De Plume on April 16, 2012, 10:48:07 pm
The virgin Mary got pregnant out of weblock too.

Try bringing that up to these assclowns, and they’ll just call you a smartass.
Title: Re: Christian School teacher fired for our of wedlock pregnancy.
Post by: MadCatTLX on April 16, 2012, 11:25:27 pm
The virgin Mary got pregnant out of weblock too.

She was married,  but not to the guy who got her pregnant.

Am I the only one who's thought Mary probably made that "pregnant by god" thing up to cover the fact that she banged some guy who wasn't her husband? I mean really, does that not seem to be a more sensible explanation? Everyone also forgets Mary was like 12-years-old at the time, while Joseph was 90 or something(don't remember the exact numbers). These same people go on to bitch about Mohammad being a pedophile regarding hid wife Aisha.
Title: Re: Christian School teacher fired for our of wedlock pregnancy.
Post by: Sylvana on April 17, 2012, 02:27:01 am
Am I the only one who's thought Mary probably made that "pregnant by god" thing up to cover the fact that she banged some guy who wasn't her husband? I mean really, does that not seem to be a more sensible explanation? Everyone also forgets Mary was like 12-years-old at the time, while Joseph was 90 or something(don't remember the exact numbers). These same people go on to bitch about Mohammad being a pedophile regarding hid wife Aisha.

Given how common incestuous rape(uncles raping their nieces etc) is today. Once can only assume it was far more prevalent in the past where victims were forced to keep quiet about it out of fear of death. My conclusion is she had sex with someone and then to cover that up chose to claim it was gods baby. To be honest, I think it strongly implies that Joseph was either an idiot, or amazingly loving and accepting.

With regards to the actual topic. Aren't there laws that protect people from things like this, especially workplace discrimination laws? I don't know too much about how America handles things like this but here a contract with a clause like that would be found invalid, and she would be able to keep her job. Isn't this basically discriminating against her because she is a woman?
Title: Re: Christian School teacher fired for our of wedlock pregnancy.
Post by: DiscoBerry on April 17, 2012, 07:54:25 am
If Blackwater can legally hold people in a contractual indentured servitude I think this can be legal too. 
Title: Re: Christian School teacher fired for our of wedlock pregnancy.
Post by: kefkaownsall on April 17, 2012, 07:56:38 am
Am I the only one who's thought Mary probably made that "pregnant by god" thing up to cover the fact that she banged some guy who wasn't her husband? I mean really, does that not seem to be a more sensible explanation? Everyone also forgets Mary was like 12-years-old at the time, while Joseph was 90 or something(don't remember the exact numbers). These same people go on to bitch about Mohammad being a pedophile regarding hid wife Aisha.

Given how common incestuous rape(uncles raping their nieces etc) is today. Once can only assume it was far more prevalent in the past where victims were forced to keep quiet about it out of fear of death. My conclusion is she had sex with someone and then to cover that up chose to claim it was gods baby. To be honest, I think it strongly implies that Joseph was either an idiot, or amazingly loving and accepting.

With regards to the actual topic. Aren't there laws that protect people from things like this, especially workplace discrimination laws? I don't know too much about how America handles things like this but here a contract with a clause like that would be found invalid, and she would be able to keep her job. Isn't this basically discriminating against her because she is a woman?
Religous institutions can get exceptions.  As for the former part I remember watching a vid where he was like okay yeah whatever.  Honestly the bible did not care about the man at all.
Title: Re: Christian School teacher fired for our of wedlock pregnancy.
Post by: Dantes Virgil on April 17, 2012, 07:10:24 pm
I'm not sure if she's in a right-to-work state or not, but in many states, employers can just let you go for any reason they want...or no reason at all.  Employment situations are highly tenuous.
Title: Re: Christian School teacher fired for our of wedlock pregnancy.
Post by: booley on April 17, 2012, 07:21:08 pm
Con agenda
Make sure if you have to have a job or else you're fucked;  Check
make sure employers can fire you for BUll Shit reasons so you are always in fear of losing your job: Check
Call it freedom:  Check
Title: Re: Christian School teacher fired for our of wedlock pregnancy.
Post by: N. De Plume on April 17, 2012, 08:26:35 pm
Con agenda
Make sure if you have to have a job or else you're fucked;  Check
make sure employers can fire you for BUll Shit reasons so you are always in fear of losing your job: Check
Call it freedom:  Check

That last part is the part that steams me most. They actually manage to twist the words enough to make it sound almost like they are actually talking about freedom to choose an employer. But the thing is, even in an employee’s market where there are more jobs than qualified applicants, the employer will still pretty much always get the final say.
Title: Re: Christian School teacher fired for our of wedlock pregnancy.
Post by: Sylvana on April 18, 2012, 02:36:14 am
I would like to take this opportunity to say that the labour laws in America are possibly the worst in the western world. Labour laws in South Africa are little extreme and harm business, but its better than not protecting the employees against abuse. Personally I am amazed America does not have Chinese style sweat shops with the way business controls the government.
Title: Re: Christian School teacher fired for our of wedlock pregnancy.
Post by: N. De Plume on April 18, 2012, 06:50:36 am
Personally I am amazed America does not have Chinese style sweat shops with the way business controls the government.

So far there are a few things like minimum wage that seem to make it marginally cheaper to keep the sweatshops in China for the time being. Note that minimum wage is still no where near liveable.
Title: Re: Christian School teacher fired for our of wedlock pregnancy.
Post by: MadCatTLX on April 18, 2012, 09:23:06 am
Personally I am amazed America does not have Chinese style sweat shops with the way business controls the government.

So far there are a few things like minimum wage that seem to make it marginally cheaper to keep the sweatshops in China for the time being. Note that minimum wage is still no where near liveable.

And people keep trying to lower or get rid of it.
Title: Re: Christian School teacher fired for our of wedlock pregnancy.
Post by: N. De Plume on April 18, 2012, 07:17:34 pm
Personally I am amazed America does not have Chinese style sweat shops with the way business controls the government.

So far there are a few things like minimum wage that seem to make it marginally cheaper to keep the sweatshops in China for the time being. Note that minimum wage is still no where near liveable.

And people keep trying to lower or get rid of it.

Well, you know, it lowers your freedom to bargain for a lower wage. ::)

These people seriously only meen “freedom of the corporation” when they talk about “freedom”.