The revelation is behind two clicks of an optional dialogue tree and the player can opt out of caring about that aspect of her backstory; it can hardly be said that her introduction is her directly coming out to you.
No, her introduction is giving you her name, telling you she serves Tempus and praising said god. From there, the player has the option to ask about her apparently unusual name, to which she responds by saying that she changed her name. If the player inquires further (which is completely optional) then she tells the player she's transgender. There's even a video in the article that displays this, derogatory though the video itself may be.
The revelation is behind two clicks of an optional dialogue tree and the player can opt out of caring about that aspect of her backstory; it can hardly be said that her introduction is her directly coming out to you.
I just love how the reviewers make the same misassumption as Ian did. It betrays that the people claiming to be Baldur fans never actually played the game or even bothered to watch their masturbatory T-slur Abuse video completely. What was that about SJWs not playing games, again?
I just love how the reviewers make the same misassumption as Ian did. It betrays that the people claiming to be Baldur fans never actually played the game or even bothered to watch their masturbatory T-slur Abuse video completely. What was that about SJWs not playing games, again?
I dunno, why did Sunset fail?
I just love how the reviewers make the same misassumption as Ian did. It betrays that the people claiming to be Baldur fans never actually played the game or even bothered to watch their masturbatory T-slur Abuse video completely. What was that about SJWs not playing games, again?
I dunno, why did Sunset fail?
Exactly. How dare video games try to be inclusive of other races, orientations, identities, and people. And how dare these games present feminazis (i.e. women) as worthy of respect and dignity.
So UP's inane response got me to thinking. Why do those like him associate the social left with the "walking simulator" genre? Is it because a black person is the main character? Well, I've seen people call TFA an SJW movie for daring to have a prominent black character, so I guess the answer is racism?
...for having a black main character and talking about how bad war and tyranny are. If that's all that a game needs to become a Dreaded SJW Game, the bar's basically six feet under.
I find it especially depressing that this is a thing, virulent rage over pixel art, just a day after a man in New York took a plea bargain to spend only up to 12 years in prison for killing a transwoman by smashing her skull on the curb multiple times. He came up to her and flirted with her, then his friend started giggling about it, so of course, he felt obligated to kill her for existing and being polite enough to acknowledge him. She was a young NYC fashion industry employee. How dare she be so stylishly dressed? "I just didn't like being fooled", was his reason stated to police that night.
So yeah, why wouldn't the reactionary man-imals flip out over a pixel "tranny"? "Kill it!" Post the video. Pipe bomb the forums and review sections. Try to destroy another game development team. "We just didn't like being fooled".
To Amber Scott from a trans woman
Thank you so much from a trans gamer for painting a target on our backs once again so you can virtue signal how progressive you are. It wouldn't be enough to just, I don't know, put a trans person in a game and have them there as a character. No, it has to be a political statement and you have to just let everyone know it. Otherwise how would people know how great you are as a person, and isn't that what social justice is really about? ... No, seriously, I'm actually starting to wonder that. This is the bloody Samus Aran thing all over again. It can't just be; "here's a fun fan theory make of it what you will," it's we're redefining samus' gender, and all of you can deal with it. Then the trans community gets painted as ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥s for trying to change a venorited IP while you guys get to dance off to the warm glow of praise from your ideological peers. Everytime you paint us as this 'other' you are putting in a game so people can be 'enlightened', and every time attitudes towards trans people are made just that much worse for the effort. YAY! Someone please save us from our so called saviors.
UP voice: To Kill a Mockingbird was written by Harper Lee, known SJW, in 1960. its anti-racism message is forced and has nothing to back it up
And Mellen, holy fuck. Welp, reminder that the world is empty of meaning, I guess.
...that's not really a gotcha, mate. Transgender people are not a hive mind and one transgender person does not represent all of transgenderdom. I know you struggle with the concept of not treating people who aren't you as this mysterious unfathomable Other, but come on, son.
That's tragic and appaling, but what does it have to do with this?
(using Windows 10/MS Edge - not fully functional with forum posting macro buttons)
UP:QuoteThat's tragic and appaling, but what does it have to do with this?
Um, just fucking everything, UP. Certain societal attitudes kill, as in they kill real people and the hatred is so extreme it even attacks mere artistic representations of people. Try the Black litmus test, where you switch the person or archetype being derided for a Black person or Black people in general.
Do you see the problem, now?
Because it is. And I think you actually realize that, but damned if you'll ever acknowledge it in a post.
Because it is. And I think you actually realize that, but damned if you'll ever acknowledge it in a post.
"Because it is."
Wow, what a convincing argument!
Seriously, do you have any actual evidence?
A single minor NPC spoils a game so badly that people vote the whole game down on review sites apparently without even playing it. Gee, I wonder whan separates that particular character from other minor flavour NPCs. Maybe there is something that wakes up a lot of negative emotions on people and possibly is also reflected in real life events. Perhaps someone even posts a video that uses a bigoted term about the character in an article discussing the game. That kind of thing might be the most probable explanation for seemingly disproportionate hatred.
Because it is. And I think you actually realize that, but damned if you'll ever acknowledge it in a post.
"Because it is."
Wow, what a convincing argument!
Seriously, do you have any actual evidence?
Maybe the fact that people are flipping the fuck out over there even being a trans person in the game? That's a sign.
Originally posted by Dee:
If you're only here to hop on the GamerGate/KotakuInAction bandwagon, or to spout abuses at the LGBTQ community or one of our writers, you're not welcome here; don't be surprised if your posting privileges get revoked.
Yeah you'd like it to be about that but it's not. Your company went out of its way to upset people and now some people are upset and using a publicly visible forum to express it. You can pretend its some mission or w/e idc but it's not. You might see what is happening here but I really see what is happening here and you guys are making rookie mistakes in dealing with this.
None of the comments quoted in the article mentioned anything about people being """""censored""""" (and no, a privately-owned site refusing to give a platform is not "censorship", learn what words mean you ape).
Patch 2.0/Dragonspear made Baldurs Gate EE a worse game for a number of reasons.
-random crashes
-mods aren't working properly any longer
-questionable graphic update (they managed to make a 16 year old game look WORSE than on release) I know, these are optional, but when i first started the game after the update i just couldn't believe it how ugly it looked. Funnily enough, the preview screenshots here and on steam don't show the ugly new sprites.
-questionable difficulty changes. Why the f*** does the game lower the difficulty after a few reloads by itself, without asking. I realized this awesome "feature" when i reached the so called "Story mode" which sets all stats to 25 and adds a ton of immunity. Basically Godmode. Obviously i thought it was a bug and tried to reload my game again. Well, i figured it out eventually. What a terrible feature.
-Voice acting The voice acting in the addon breaks the feel of the original game. I know, many people hate to read and prefer voiced dialogues. But Baldurs Gate has its own style and if suddenly whole dialogues are voiced it just feels out of place and you know immediately that it doesn't belongs to the game. It just feels wrong. They could have saved the money for the (mediocre actually) voice acting and spend it on fixing bugs.
-Multiplayer Its working barely at best.
So far this addon has been a huge disappointment. The worst thing is: Even if i refund it, the terrible patch 2.0 will stay. I guess i will let the EE games rest and play the original games with mods for a while. Maybe Beamdog gets their shit together and fixes the issues and i can enjoy playing EE. Hopefully this time it won't take them whole year.
PS (kinda unrelated on GoG): Steam Achievments are buggy as hell too. Some won't unlock. Others do unlock for the wrong quest... its a mess.
Bad writing aside, the content is full of bugs. The developers have also broken almost all mod compatibillity, causing dialogue errors and other issues. The new UI changes are questionable at best, and downright broken at worst. Game is unplayable in Multiplayer. The fact that this has been in development for 5 years makes you wonder how much effort they even put into it.
What a let down. Thankfully, I was able to watch some of the actual in game footage from Youtube before purchasing this abomination. A good example of what happens when the wrong people gain access to a great IP. If you're interested in what specifically I take issue with well here goes: 1. The visuals are very dated. I love old school games, but this is just lazy. 2. Most players have reported poor experience with the multiplayer. 3. Poor writing. I can forgive horrible visuals for a great story line, but that's not the case here.
If you're looking for a great old school experience, I suggest that you find the original Baldur's Gate. The mod community has made it able to withstand the effects of time to a bit.
Exactly what I said it's a horrid piece of crap and a abomination to the beloved baldur's gate franchise that we all know and love. In fact it's sooo bad I dare refuse and won't even call this a baldur's gate game or even apart of the franchise and infact im just calling this game garbage from now on. After the game crashed 5 times in a single hour I got fed up, had enough and installed it and had my money refunded. Also the voice acting is incredibly terrible they took a franchise and single handedly ripped the heart and soul out of it.
All I know is this, I went to start over Baldurs gate: EE before playing Dragonspear, aside from the crap graphics, and re worked UI (which no one asked for), my game crashed about 10 times in a row when I went into the training basement right at the beginning of the game. This never happened before the update. I am going to have to re-buy the original game now, because EE is broke AF. Did I mention the graphics? It looks like someone chewed up borderlands and deficated it back out on top of everyone in BG. The more you zoom in on a battle the more ridiculous it becomes.....how someone green lit that is beyond anything I could possibly comprehend.
Here's the thing, shitheel: that doesn't mutually exclude the transphobia. It doesn't make the transphobia magically go away if some people hate it for its mechanical qualities.
Okay, fuckmunch: how much is "widely" for you?
You know damn well what I mean. What arbitrary percentage of the shit-talking slung at Baldur's Gate has to include transphobia for you to take your head out of your ass and see that the transphobia is a primary motivator?
Well, you quoted five comments and the article quotes eight, so right now we're at ~61%. I'll just extrapolate from that since I have better things to do with my life than slog through pages upon pages of whiny gamers. Like, for instance, biting my own taint.
That also applies to talking to UP, now that I think of it.
Since I made the mistake of opening a UP comment, I'm going to give his unworthy ass my time and painstakingly explain the point of view that says these comments are transphobic. Because I hate myself.
- "T**nny" is a transphobic slur. A slur is a term that is used to demean, dehumanize or marginalize a group of people.
- The view that the mere existence of a transgender character in a game, or said character's identity being referenced, is "social justice garbage" or "SJW politics" is transphobic because transgender characters/people existing is not inherently social leftist propaganda (again, words mean things), and saying that transgender characters can only exist as a political vehicle prohibits transgender characters from being an organic part of a fictional universe.
- "Transvestite" and "transgender person" are two different things; to equate the two is transphobic erasure.
- "Born a man"
- "a tr***y that doesn't fit the lore" implies that transgender characters in and of themselves don't belong in Baldur's Gate lore (or, implicitly, fantasy in general) since from what I can tell, war god priests aren't exactly a violation of Baldur worldbuilding.
- Literally saying that "political opinions" (which is a dogwhistle for "a transgender person exists and mentions her identity in an optional dialogue path") don't belong in Baldur's Gate (or, implicitly, gaming)
- "We are trying to ESCAPE having to deal with the existence of non-cishet people, but I'm totally not a bigot"
- "the existence of a transgender person offends us, remove her from the game"
- "let me discover the transgender woman for myself instead of forcing me to mingle with non-cishets" I understand that UP is deliberately missing all of this and will continue to plug his ears because he's UP, by the way, but I'm in that ranting mood
- "it's not natural for this transgender character to talk about her identity so openly, now please excuse me as I kill a dragon with a magic sword I got from a god" (I don't even know if BG has dragons, I haven't played it, substitute something else there if there aren't)
- "it's not natural for this transgender character to talk about her identity so openly, transgender characters need to jump through the Hoops of a Thousand Fuckboys before they're allowed to talk about their identity"
- the existence of a transgender character is not a goddamn lecture on gender politics, transgender characters and people can exist apolitically you gatekeeping fuckos
That got ranty at the end there, but I hope I've made myself clear. And I hope I haven't spoken out of turn; as a cis person, my understanding of the topic is second-hand, but that's how I understand it at least. I don't mean to make myself a high authority on this or anything.
Dunno if someone's already brought this up but gamers do remember Poison from Final Fight/Street Fighter, right? I don't remember anyone giving a fuck about her being trans. I know that her being trans was only done as an after thought to get around the issue of hitting women for the western market (which in itself is full of it's own issues, like how Capcom presumably thinks hitting trans women is ok if they used to have a penis because they're not real women or that they think that's how westerners think, or something equally as shitty) but I think its still relevant. Video games, especially Japanese ones for some reason, are also full of androgynous characters, like Leo from Tekken, Elliot from DoA and pretty much fucking everybody in the Final Fantasy series. So why is this suddenly a big deal to this fuckmonkeys?
I also feel that the fact that it's common for players of both video games and table-top RPG type games to create and play as a character of a different gender than their own is relevant too, as is gender swapping character is fan art and cos-play. I'm not quite sure how exactly but in my defense I am tired as all fuck.
Because Poison is an actual character.
Because Poison is an actual character.
Explain. The average character in old fighting games only has enough character to fill a few lines of backstory on the manual and possibly a text screen if you win the game with that character. Meanwhile Baldur's Gate has generally had well written NPCs with whom you can talk to and the companions have an adventure or two relating to them not to mention them commenting on things that happen in the game.
Because Poison is an actual character.
Explain. The average character in old fighting games only has enough character to fill a few lines of backstory on the manual and possibly a text screen if you win the game with that character. Meanwhile Baldur's Gate has generally had well written NPCs with whom you can talk to and the companions have an adventure or two relating to them not to mention them commenting on things that happen in the game.
What I mean is that her character doesn't revolve around her being trans. And from what I've been hearing, that's not the case for Mizhena. I haven't checked it out for myself, though, so I could be wrong.
See, Askold, Mizhena actually mentions her gender as opposed to stuffing it away in the author's notes, where it won't offend UP. Therefore, she's not an actual character, but rather a dreaded SJW Borg Mindcontrolled Drone. Nevermind that she's also established from the get-go as a pious priest and that her gender is a piece of trivia buried underneath one of her dialogue branches. No, she just revolves around being transgender. Because that's how all non-cishet characters work.
...They have spells that can turn males into females or vice versa...
Obviously, for gaming to remain a white cishet paradise.
...I'm not even kidding, that's probably what they would consider 'not pushing an agenda' since their qualification for pushing an agenda is "a transgender character exists".
Either he doesn't read our comments OR he is merely acting like a moron again.
...Honestly, UP is there something wrong with you? I know I already made the joke about you acting as dense as a suspect in court but unless you are doing this on purpose the only other option I can think of is that you are merely skimming a few of our comments and you aren't even looking into any of the topics and merely parroting information that others feed to you.
Should I refer you to the transwoman who said she was only in there to make a political statement? And if this is about anger over the mere existence of a trans character, why haven't gamers been up in arms over other trans characters?
Should I refer you to the transwoman who said she was only in there to make a political statement? And if this is about anger over the mere existence of a trans character, why haven't gamers been up in arms over other trans characters?There usually are complaints but this time they added an LGBT character to an addon of an older game so this is double plus ungood just like making a comic book character who was previously straight into an LGBT character is also seen as worse than adding a new one.
Serious question: if the inclusion of this character is pushing an agenda, what would NOT be pushing an agenda? The character does nothing but exist and happens to be transgender (a quality that is only revealed after optional dialogue choices). It is the base-line minimum of existence. If this is promoting an agenda, what isn't?
Either he doesn't read our comments OR he is merely acting like a moron again.
...Honestly, UP is there something wrong with you? I know I already made the joke about you acting as dense as a suspect in court but unless you are doing this on purpose the only other option I can think of is that you are merely skimming a few of our comments and you aren't even looking into any of the topics and merely parroting information that others feed to you.
I'm starting to agree with Queen that there's something extremely fishy about UP getting his ass handed to him while six guests lurk in the background.
Dare I say they're giving him tips and tricks through other channels.
Should I refer you to the transwoman who said she was only in there to make a political statement? And if this is about anger over the mere existence of a trans character, why haven't gamers been up in arms over other trans characters?
Dragon Age: Inquisition, anyone?
Serious question: if the inclusion of this character is pushing an agenda, what would NOT be pushing an agenda? The character does nothing but exist and happens to be transgender (a quality that is only revealed after optional dialogue choices). It is the base-line minimum of existence. If this is promoting an agenda, what isn't?
Simple, in Paragon's mind, white, straight, cis, men are allowed to exist, explore the world, have opinions, and do as they will. The minute that a character is not one of those qualities, it amounts to pushing an agenda against white, straight, cis, men. And really, white, straight, cis, men are the most oppressed people in America right now.
And, if you think I am kidding or being too SJW by saying this, I would like to point out that a former Admin of this board has said as much non-facetiously.
Quick question. UP, have you actually played the new Baldur's Gate expansion?
What you expected him to actually play the thing he's bitching about?
Ironbite-that's adorable.
Either he doesn't read our comments OR he is merely acting like a moron again.
...Honestly, UP is there something wrong with you? I know I already made the joke about you acting as dense as a suspect in court but unless you are doing this on purpose the only other option I can think of is that you are merely skimming a few of our comments and you aren't even looking into any of the topics and merely parroting information that others feed to you.
I'm starting to agree with Queen that there's something extremely fishy about UP getting his ass handed to him while six guests lurk in the background.
Dare I say they're giving him tips and tricks through other channels.
As shown by the last six pages of shitposting. The linked article has a video entitled "Baldurs gate misogyny tranny abuse" where the character under discussion is murdered by the party for saying that they're trans. The article also has a bunch of shitposting "reviews" where the readers primary concern was the existence of teh trans "shoving agendas" down their collective maws and he's spent the last couple of hours trying to argue that criticism of the expansion has nothing to do with transphobia, nothing, zip, nada, none.Either he doesn't read our comments OR he is merely acting like a moron again.
...Honestly, UP is there something wrong with you? I know I already made the joke about you acting as dense as a suspect in court but unless you are doing this on purpose the only other option I can think of is that you are merely skimming a few of our comments and you aren't even looking into any of the topics and merely parroting information that others feed to you.
I'm starting to agree with Queen that there's something extremely fishy about UP getting his ass handed to him while six guests lurk in the background.
Dare I say they're giving him tips and tricks through other channels.
Nah. He's just a very dedicated troll. He has no real personal opinions on any of this. He's just shit posting to get us all riled up. That's all.
I'm not saying there's no transphobic backlash, I'm just saying it's greatly exaggerated. The idea that its negative reception is based on transphobia simply doesn't hold water. Dragon Age: Inquisition also had a trans supporting character, and the game has a much higher user rating on Metacritic. Fact is, Beamdog made a shitty expansion, and they're trying to blame the gamers for not liking it.
I'm not saying there's no transphobic backlash, I'm just saying it's greatly exaggerated. The idea that its negative reception is based on transphobia simply doesn't hold water. Dragon Age: Inquisition also had a trans supporting character, and the game has a much higher user rating on Metacritic. Fact is, Beamdog made a shitty expansion, and they're trying to blame the gamers for not liking it.
You also said 8-Chan being a den of pedos held no water...
Also, Even Then has already destroyed your claim about the backlash not being motivated by transphobia. All you're doing is playing the role of a know-nothing, and come on dude. I assume you're a child, but at least act like a mature high-schooler and recognize when someone present evidence that you don't know what you're talking about.
And much like all those sources that you cite but never read, you're now criticizing a game that you've never played. It's quite comical.
I'm not saying there's no transphobic backlash, I'm just saying it's greatly exaggerated. The idea that its negative reception is based on transphobia simply doesn't hold water. Dragon Age: Inquisition also had a trans supporting character, and the game has a much higher user rating on Metacritic. Fact is, Beamdog made a shitty expansion, and they're trying to blame the gamers for not liking it.
You also said 8-Chan being a den of pedos held no water...
Also, Even Then has already destroyed your claim about the backlash not being motivated by transphobia. All you're doing is playing the role of a know-nothing, and come on dude. I assume you're a child, but at least act like a mature high-schooler and recognize when someone present evidence that you don't know what you're talking about.
And much like all those sources that you cite but never read, you're now criticizing a game that you've never played. It's quite comical.
A bunch of cherry-picked reviews represent the entirety of the backlash? If anybody's the know-nothing, it's you.
So I missed the may in your statement, Queen, and read it as "My plans be ruined again" and now I can't stop thinking of Harley Quinn in a pirate costume.
Are you talking about Krem? Because his reception was mostly positive according to BioWare.
And to act like a trans character is out of character for Bioware is hilarious. Bioware has included LGBT characters since at least Knights of the Old Republic, or did you forget that Juhani is bisexual?I thought she's a lesbian. As I recall, only a female player character can romance her.
I thought she's a lesbian. As I recall, only a female player character can romance her.
I thought she's a lesbian. As I recall, only a female player character can romance her.
Nope. Both male and female Revans can "romance" her, but its implied in all cases that its one sided. Her admitting feelings for Revan is the cap of her arc and there's not really a way to reciprocate feelings.
Are you talking about Krem? Because his reception was mostly positive according to BioWare.
Which only tells me that your ilk is only a vocal minority. A rather relieving fact, actually.
No, I'm referring to your ilk's response to it. They freaked the fuck out, your favorite "ethical journalist" wrote a "review" that I've pointed out to you at least twice and your ilk thought that "review" was absolutely hilarious. Yes, the response was mostly positive, as is the response to this expansion (about 2/3rd positive reviews on Steam, despite your ilk's best efforts), but there was still a vocal minority, and you know exactly who it was, that said exactly the same shit about Dragon Age: Inquisition that they're saying about Dragonspear.
It has been proven that the most vocal dissent towards Dragonspear is in response to the trans character. Are there plenty of people unhappy with it for other reasons? Sure, but they aren't the problem or the subject of discussion. The problem is that transphobic assholes are bitching and moaning about it, regardless of whether or not they actually play the game, and they are the loudest group responding to the expansion.
I pointed out Dragon Age: Inquisition so you would hopefully realize that this idiotic and hateful outrage is nothing out of the ordinary for your ilk. Now, in fairness, the backlash was more due to how the game's press was praising it for its progressive portrayal of LGBT folks, but the point stands.
And to act like a trans character is out of character for Bioware is hilarious. Bioware has included LGBT characters since at least Knights of the Old Republic, or did you forget that Juhani is bisexual?
Hi everyone. I usually spend most of my time lurking here, but I'd like to ask a favour. It appears that having a transgendered cleric and a joke line by Minsc has greatly offended the sensibilities of some people. This has spurred these people into action, causing them to decide this is the worst game of all time and give it a zero review score on Steam, GoG and meta critic. Now, I'd like to ask for that favour. If you are playing the game and having a good time, please consider posting a positive review to balance out the loud minority which is currently painting a dark picture for new players.
The 2/3 was referring to Dragon Age: Inquisition, not Dragonspear (which you'd know if you had reading comprehension skills), and the dev comment's point is: "If you are playing the game and having a good time, please consider posting a positive review", which is radically different from "give us positive comments".
Yes, the response was mostly positive, as is the response to this expansion (about 2/3rd positive reviews on Steam, despite your ilk's best efforts),
Beamdog is asking for people who own the game and already have a positive opinion of it to please post a review. Because most people don't bother beyond a thumbs up click. And it would be nice for the other side to be heard. Also, a buggy release is common probs, not something to flip out over. There is however flipping out over the trans NPC, as evidenced in a large number of reviews.
Are you talking about Krem? Because his reception was mostly positive according to BioWare.
Which only tells me that your ilk is only a vocal minority. A rather relieving fact, actually.
No, I'm referring to your ilk's response to it. They freaked the fuck out, your favorite "ethical journalist" wrote a "review" that I've pointed out to you at least twice and your ilk thought that "review" was absolutely hilarious. Yes, the response was mostly positive, as is the response to this expansion (about 2/3rd positive reviews on Steam, despite your ilk's best efforts), but there was still a vocal minority, and you know exactly who it was, that said exactly the same shit about Dragon Age: Inquisition that they're saying about Dragonspear.
It has been proven that the most vocal dissent towards Dragonspear is in response to the trans character. Are there plenty of people unhappy with it for other reasons? Sure, but they aren't the problem or the subject of discussion. The problem is that transphobic assholes are bitching and moaning about it, regardless of whether or not they actually play the game, and they are the loudest group responding to the expansion.
I pointed out Dragon Age: Inquisition so you would hopefully realize that this idiotic and hateful outrage is nothing out of the ordinary for your ilk. Now, in fairness, the backlash was more due to how the game's press was praising it for its progressive portrayal of LGBT folks, but the point stands.
And to act like a trans character is out of character for Bioware is hilarious. Bioware has included LGBT characters since at least Knights of the Old Republic, or did you forget that Juhani is bisexual?
"My ilk?"
And do you have a citation for your claim of "proof?" Because the front page Steam reviews complain about very serious technical issues:
https://steamcommunity.com/app/228280/reviews/ (https://steamcommunity.com/app/228280/reviews/)
As for why it has 2/3rds positive reviews on Steam? Well, maybe it has something to do with this:
https://forums.beamdog.com/discussion/50341/negative-reviews-on-gog-and-steam (https://forums.beamdog.com/discussion/50341/negative-reviews-on-gog-and-steam)QuoteHi everyone. I usually spend most of my time lurking here, but I'd like to ask a favour. It appears that having a transgendered cleric and a joke line by Minsc has greatly offended the sensibilities of some people. This has spurred these people into action, causing them to decide this is the worst game of all time and give it a zero review score on Steam, GoG and meta critic. Now, I'd like to ask for that favour. If you are playing the game and having a good time, please consider posting a positive review to balance out the loud minority which is currently painting a dark picture for new players.
UP, I checked out the Steam reviews page for it yesterday, then I went to the Forum thread about it. I have a Steam account and buy games there frequently. My point stands.
Are you talking about Krem? Because his reception was mostly positive according to BioWare.
Which only tells me that your ilk is only a vocal minority. A rather relieving fact, actually.
No, I'm referring to your ilk's response to it. They freaked the fuck out, your favorite "ethical journalist" wrote a "review" that I've pointed out to you at least twice and your ilk thought that "review" was absolutely hilarious. Yes, the response was mostly positive, as is the response to this expansion (about 2/3rd positive reviews on Steam, despite your ilk's best efforts), but there was still a vocal minority, and you know exactly who it was, that said exactly the same shit about Dragon Age: Inquisition that they're saying about Dragonspear.
It has been proven that the most vocal dissent towards Dragonspear is in response to the trans character. Are there plenty of people unhappy with it for other reasons? Sure, but they aren't the problem or the subject of discussion. The problem is that transphobic assholes are bitching and moaning about it, regardless of whether or not they actually play the game, and they are the loudest group responding to the expansion.
I pointed out Dragon Age: Inquisition so you would hopefully realize that this idiotic and hateful outrage is nothing out of the ordinary for your ilk. Now, in fairness, the backlash was more due to how the game's press was praising it for its progressive portrayal of LGBT folks, but the point stands.
And to act like a trans character is out of character for Bioware is hilarious. Bioware has included LGBT characters since at least Knights of the Old Republic, or did you forget that Juhani is bisexual?
"My ilk?"
And do you have a citation for your claim of "proof?" Because the front page Steam reviews complain about very serious technical issues:
https://steamcommunity.com/app/228280/reviews/ (https://steamcommunity.com/app/228280/reviews/)
As for why it has 2/3rds positive reviews on Steam? Well, maybe it has something to do with this:
https://forums.beamdog.com/discussion/50341/negative-reviews-on-gog-and-steam (https://forums.beamdog.com/discussion/50341/negative-reviews-on-gog-and-steam)QuoteHi everyone. I usually spend most of my time lurking here, but I'd like to ask a favour. It appears that having a transgendered cleric and a joke line by Minsc has greatly offended the sensibilities of some people. This has spurred these people into action, causing them to decide this is the worst game of all time and give it a zero review score on Steam, GoG and meta critic. Now, I'd like to ask for that favour. If you are playing the game and having a good time, please consider posting a positive review to balance out the loud minority which is currently painting a dark picture for new players.
Read the bolded bit again, UP.
Oh. How awful. Do you even read what you post?
So riddle me this:
if the issue is a glitchy, unplayable game with a whole host of issues to be legitimately upset about, why even mention the presence of this character (let alone make it the centerpiece of a bitchfest)? It's like complaining about a hangnail while you're on fire.
I refuse to believe anyone capable of coherent communication is this stupid
UP, at first you claimed that there was no trans phobia in the reviews. Then you made up a number of minimum trans phobic comments that you would require to believe that trans phobia and general opposition to LGBT issues are the main reason against the protest. When examples were provided you claimed the reviews were cherry picked and went on to cherry pick your own reviews. From the start it has been said that Steam, being the only site where only game owners can review, has the least anti-LGBT reviews by virtue of the fact that most of the complainers are not owners and merely wish to wage their war on SJWs or spew their hatred against a fictional trans person by complaining about the game. NOW that you can no longer claim that:
-The game isn't mainly getting negative reviews due to the transperson NPC
-That the aforementioned reviews aren't coming from people who don't even own the game
-That the character isn't just a "tool of a political agenda"
You have been reduced to picking the one site with the fewest protestors and cherry picking people who complain about legitimate issues BUT THIS DOES NOT MAKE THE PROTESTORS DISAPPEAR! No one has claimed that ALL the negative reviews are written by anti-SJW-crusaders or whatever trolls live in the deepest darkest places of the web, just that many of the people who complain about the addon mainly seem to hate the existence of a fictional transperson in the game.
No one has to prove that every player likes the game or that all the complainers simply hate whatshername.
Stop for a moment and read your own posts. Can't you see how dishonest you have been during this debate?
I never played the 1st Baldur's Gate before but I heard it pissing off the right people, so I guess it's likely good, so I'm buying it.
Haven't played it yet, I just bought it to support diverse stories in gaming. I wouldn't have even paid attention to it if there wasn't some hate campaign against it.
Because unsourced quotes are valid evidence when you do it.
...fuck it, let's say that's an actual quote because I'll be fucked if I click that far. You're not worth that effort.
To quote myself:
"No one's been denying that people have been complaining about the mechanics being bugged, cumwad. You're telling us things we already know. What we're against is you taking the non-transphobic comments (which is cherrypicking) and using them to tell us that the transphobia and other assorted "muh status quo" are not another notable contributing factor."
...yeah, no, you're doing this on purpose so you're even less worth my time. This isn't the Socratic method, cockpeeler: this is you being given a writeup, reading it, throwing it into a trash can and then asking me for another writeup. I'm done.
...fuck it, let's say that's an actual quote because I'll be fucked if I click that far. You're not worth that effort.
To quote myself:
"No one's been denying that people have been complaining about the mechanics being bugged, cumwad. You're telling us things we already know. What we're against is you taking the non-transphobic comments (which is cherrypicking) and using them to tell us that the transphobia and other assorted "muh status quo" are not another notable contributing factor."
Interesting. How do you define "transphobic comments?"
...yeah, no, you're doing this on purpose so you're even less worth my time. This isn't the Socratic method, cockpeeler: this is you being given a writeup, reading it, throwing it into a trash can and then asking me for another writeup. I'm done.
Pardon me for wanting to establish criteria.
...yeah, no, you're doing this on purpose so you're even less worth my time. This isn't the Socratic method, cockpeeler: this is you being given a writeup, reading it, throwing it into a trash can and then asking me for another writeup. I'm done.
Pardon me for wanting to establish criteria.
Removes the two most idiotic things I've ever seen in a cRPG.
Requires Siege of Dragonspear Expansion So, the Siege of Dragonspear expansion came out a few days ago. It's pretty "meh" since its a Beamdog original, but once again SJW writers just had to include their propaganda to virtue signal about how tolerant and inclusive they are. And I'm not the only one who's sick of this. Now...
What the mod actually does For lack of a better-working solution (and because I'm a n00b at modding), commenting on how strange Mizhena's name is simply ends dialogue. No special snowflake life story for you, hooray!
One of Minsc's rare "task given" lines has been changed to something else. The devs thought it would be hilarious if they got a jab at GamerGate in the game and have Minsc say it, of all people. Totally not an invitation to respond in some way, and its just sad to defile Minsc to use as their political mouthpiece to express a "take that" to their #1 boogeyman.
No string references are added or replaced for maximum compatibility and simplicity.
Installation Extract the override folder and place the two files in your own override folder of your Siege of Dragonspear installation. The location should look something like this for those who bought it from Beamdog:
Baldur's Gate Siege of Dragonspear\Data\00806\override
What about Beamdog's artistic vision, you hypocritical GooberGrappler!?! LOL OWNED, MISOGYNIST!
Guess every mod that adds more story or quests violates their artistic vision, then. They can do whatever they like, they don't have to change anything for anyone. But I can, and that's the difference.
...fuck it, let's say that's an actual quote because I'll be fucked if I click that far. You're not worth that effort.
To quote myself:
"No one's been denying that people have been complaining about the mechanics being bugged, cumwad. You're telling us things we already know. What we're against is you taking the non-transphobic comments (which is cherrypicking) and using them to tell us that the transphobia and other assorted "muh status quo" are not another notable contributing factor."
Interesting. How do you define "transphobic comments?"
...yeah, no, you're doing this on purpose so you're even less worth my time. This isn't the Socratic method, cockpeeler: this is you being given a writeup, reading it, throwing it into a trash can and then asking me for another writeup. I'm done.
Pardon me for wanting to establish criteria.
Oh no you don't. You are pretending to be ignorant and ignoring arguments on the basis that we haven't explained what every single word of them means BUT you yourself are exempt from the same rules and you throw in random links and quotes without examining them in the same inane detail.
Quote
Removes the two most idiotic things I've ever seen in a cRPG.
Requires Siege of Dragonspear Expansion So, the Siege of Dragonspear expansion came out a few days ago. It's pretty "meh" since its a Beamdog original, but once again SJW writers just had to include their propaganda to virtue signal about how tolerant and inclusive they are. And I'm not the only one who's sick of this. Now...
What the mod actually does For lack of a better-working solution (and because I'm a n00b at modding), commenting on how strange Mizhena's name is simply ends dialogue. No special snowflake life story for you, hooray!
One of Minsc's rare "task given" lines has been changed to something else. The devs thought it would be hilarious if they got a jab at GamerGate in the game and have Minsc say it, of all people. Totally not an invitation to respond in some way, and its just sad to defile Minsc to use as their political mouthpiece to express a "take that" to their #1 boogeyman.
No string references are added or replaced for maximum compatibility and simplicity.
Installation Extract the override folder and place the two files in your own override folder of your Siege of Dragonspear installation. The location should look something like this for those who bought it from Beamdog:
Baldur's Gate Siege of Dragonspear\Data\00806\override
What about Beamdog's artistic vision, you hypocritical GooberGrappler!?! LOL OWNED, MISOGYNIST!
Guess every mod that adds more story or quests violates their artistic vision, then. They can do whatever they like, they don't have to change anything for anyone. But I can, and that's the difference.
Soo... the problem isn't the inclusion of a Trans character with an optional line of dialogue, it's about bad writing. The bad writing this mod removes that was said line of dialogue. But the problem isn't with the Trans character. Which the mod removes..
does KiddiesInAction have any semblance of self-awareness?
...fuck it, let's say that's an actual quote because I'll be fucked if I click that far. You're not worth that effort.
To quote myself:
"No one's been denying that people have been complaining about the mechanics being bugged, cumwad. You're telling us things we already know. What we're against is you taking the non-transphobic comments (which is cherrypicking) and using them to tell us that the transphobia and other assorted "muh status quo" are not another notable contributing factor."
Interesting. How do you define "transphobic comments?"
It really is an "I'll know it when I see it" test to certain -isms. Largely, because know-nothings like yourself continue to play dense to avoid being called on your shit. Nevertheless, if you would agree, I would serve as an independent judge of whether the comments are transphobic. Everyone knows I think very little of you, but I can put aside my personal disdain for you long enough to at least evaluate a statement. If this is not conducive, we can get two other gender-variant individuals on the board (say Random and Zygarde if they approve joining) to act as a three person panel to judge whether the comment is transphobic.
You game?
...fuck it, let's say that's an actual quote because I'll be fucked if I click that far. You're not worth that effort.
To quote myself:
"No one's been denying that people have been complaining about the mechanics being bugged, cumwad. You're telling us things we already know. What we're against is you taking the non-transphobic comments (which is cherrypicking) and using them to tell us that the transphobia and other assorted "muh status quo" are not another notable contributing factor."
Interesting. How do you define "transphobic comments?"
It really is an "I'll know it when I see it" test to certain -isms. Largely, because know-nothings like yourself continue to play dense to avoid being called on your shit. Nevertheless, if you would agree, I would serve as an independent judge of whether the comments are transphobic. Everyone knows I think very little of you, but I can put aside my personal disdain for you long enough to at least evaluate a statement. If this is not conducive, we can get two other gender-variant individuals on the board (say Random and Zygarde if they approve joining) to act as a three person panel to judge whether the comment is transphobic.
You game?
Let me think about it.
Don't forget the innocuous twist on the catchphrase of a movement! A joke that doesn't even deride said catchphrase! See, there's another complaint as well, that means the transphobia isn't a motivating factor for this mod, if you beat someone's ass for being gay and steal their wallet to buy a soda that means it's not a hate crime amirite
for this mod
Quote from: mefor this mod
There is no way in hell you are this stupid
Quote from: mefor this mod
Missed that part.
...fuck it, let's say that's an actual quote because I'll be fucked if I click that far. You're not worth that effort.
To quote myself:
"No one's been denying that people have been complaining about the mechanics being bugged, cumwad. You're telling us things we already know. What we're against is you taking the non-transphobic comments (which is cherrypicking) and using them to tell us that the transphobia and other assorted "muh status quo" are not another notable contributing factor."
Interesting. How do you define "transphobic comments?"
It really is an "I'll know it when I see it" test to certain -isms. Largely, because know-nothings like yourself continue to play dense to avoid being called on your shit. Nevertheless, if you would agree, I would serve as an independent judge of whether the comments are transphobic. Everyone knows I think very little of you, but I can put aside my personal disdain for you long enough to at least evaluate a statement. If this is not conducive, we can get two other gender-variant individuals on the board (say Random and Zygarde if they approve joining) to act as a three person panel to judge whether the comment is transphobic.
You game?
Let me think about it.
There really isn't that much to think about, it's just letting a group of individuals more knowledge of trans issues than most evaluate a statement for transphobia (or just myself acting impartially). As such, think you can get me an answer by 11:59 PM, EST, April 6, 2016?
I hate that I have to be so specific with you.
Ultie, where and how cheaply did you purchase a backhoe? I figure you must have one, to be digging yourself a hole so quickly and efficiently.
Evidence so strong you've yet to present it
I never claimed that there was no transphobia, just that it was overblown[/b].
Ultie, where and how cheaply did you purchase a backhoe? I figure you must have one, to be digging yourself a hole so quickly and efficiently.
Ultie, where and how cheaply did you purchase a backhoe? I figure you must have one, to be digging yourself a hole so quickly and efficiently.
Don't blame me, blame the ideological circlejerk that refuses to accept dissenting viewpoints. Fact is, I have strong evidence suggesting that the transphobes are a vocal minority among the expansion's critics.
Ultie, where and how cheaply did you purchase a backhoe? I figure you must have one, to be digging yourself a hole so quickly and efficiently.
Don't blame me, blame the ideological circlejerk that refuses to accept dissenting viewpoints. Fact is, I have strong evidence suggesting that the transphobes are a vocal minority among the expansion's critics.
I can't believe I am giving a Baldur's Gate game a bad review. I f*cking love this game series. This expansion is decent and it's more BG which is good. This is a matter of principle. I want the new writer to repeat after me: "I will not abuse a classic and beloved game franchise as a soapbox to further my own ideological agendas" X10
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The thing about public reviews are that they are just that - public. The KiddiesInAction brigading going on is -very- visible
Gosh darn are you adorable!
Ironbite-and just so cute!
Ultie, where and how cheaply did you purchase a backhoe? I figure you must have one, to be digging yourself a hole so quickly and efficiently.
Don't blame me, blame the ideological circlejerk that refuses to accept dissenting viewpoints. Fact is, I have strong evidence suggesting that the transphobes are a vocal minority among the expansion's critics.
Even assuming that's true, a vocal minority still has a significant presence and influences perceptions on the wider community, which I believe is a point you yourself have attempted to make on issues like feminism. Should we not call out this 'vocal minority', again assuming that's true, rather than just dismiss them as harmless?
No It is about the multiple Bugs and crashes and the loss of over 300 hours of game play on BG EE since the update
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buying and then refunding simply to leave a negative review:(click to show/hide)QuoteNo It is about the multiple Bugs and crashes and the loss of over 300 hours of game play on BG EE since the update
The expansion hasn't been out 300hrs yet so bug claims are dubious - I don't doubt there are bugs, any complex software is going to have them, however when there is an overwhelming amount of negative reviews due to "SJW writing" and metabombing being a thing I am going to be suspicious of it being KiddiesInAction activity especially when the puport to support developer freedom
Direct Question Time - UP Direct Question: What games do you own/play?
So it doesn't seem that any of these fantasy/ D &D/ Forgotten Realms games are your bag anyway huh?
So it doesn't seem that any of these fantasy/ D &D/ Forgotten Realms games are your bag anyway huh?
I'm not a D&D fan, no.
So it doesn't seem that any of these fantasy/ D &D/ Forgotten Realms games are your bag anyway huh?
I'm not a D&D fan, no.
So not only have you not played this particular expansion, and not only have you not played Baldur's Gate at all, but you're not even interested in that entire genre in the first place.
Say, do you ever wonder if there isn't a better use of your time than this?
Don't blame me, blame the ideological circlejerk that refuses to accept dissenting viewpoints. Fact is, I have strong evidence suggesting that the transphobes are a vocal minority among the expansion's critics.
So it doesn't seem that any of these fantasy/ D &D/ Forgotten Realms games are your bag anyway huh?
I'm not a D&D fan, no.
So not only have you not played this particular expansion, and not only have you not played Baldur's Gate at all, but you're not even interested in that entire genre in the first place.
Say, do you ever wonder if there isn't a better use of your time than this?
I'd say combat masturbation is a good use of my time.
UP, you demanded proof that a certain percentage of the reviews are bad because the players (formerly reviewers, but replaced by players when it turned out that by focusing on all reviewers you would have been proven wrong) don't like the trans character. Out of the reviews linked here the vast majority are complaining about the trans character. Unless you are willing to provide proof that you originally demanded that a greater percentage of the reviews are not about Mizhena you should really admit that she's the reason most people complain.
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...If you had actually read the reviews that were posted here you would see that most of the complainers complain about her existence. They don't go "Oh and there's also Mizhena ...But what I really hate are the bugs." The complainers go on about how they specifically give the game a bad review BECAUSE of her or the "SJW agenda."
(click to show/hide)Also, the mention of "gender politics" (which is mostly shorthand for transgender characters existing) in the comment as a pejorative makes it a transphobic comment because the transgender character existing is considered a problem, asscheese.
Does simply mentioning bugs in the comment mean a reviewer is mostly angry about them?
You're extrapolating a lot from two words.
It was 35%. I might just go through the GOG comments and calculate the actual percentage, if I end up hating life enough today.
3. That has more to do with taking away the player's choice than anything. Still, I can kind of see where you're coming from.
All of them, because I'm a dumbass. Oh well, I'm not going back for a redo.
24% of all comments or just the negative ones?
Is up upset about a trans character or us he saying it's okay for others to be upset about a trans character?He is claiming that no one is upset about a trans character and that the complaints are actually about
To hell with UPs arbitrary percentage, I have an actual way to test if something is significant, something that you can't fucking argue with: actual, real MATH. A statistical test. More specifically, a Z test. I'll be marking each transphobic post as a "1," and any non-transphobic post as a "0." The list contains 155 elements, consisting of 37 1s and 118 0s.
mu: 0.37374
sigma: 0.48626
mu0: 0
Ha: mu != mu0
From this, we get:
Z = 7.64743
P(Z) = 2.0685x10-14
This means that the probability of this event happening by chance alone is infinitesimally small; we do not have enough evidence to reject the alternate hypothesis (Ha). Statistically speaking, this must then, therefore, be due to some outside influence, the most likely culprit being targeted transphobia. Oh, and the great thing about this? Literally anyone can check my work. Go ahead, if I cocked up something, let me know.
Fucking math. It works, bitches.
Actually, he's saying that the transphobia and general conservatism are just overblown, maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan. (Despite being 1/4 of the comments at Gog.)
I'm not saying this to defend him but because if I don't, he'll just whine about being misunderstood and this thread will spin even more futilely on its ass.
To hell with UPs arbitrary percentage, I have an actual way to test if something is significant, something that you can't fucking argue with: actual, real MATH. A statistical test. More specifically, a Z test. I'll be marking each transphobic post as a "1," and any non-transphobic post as a "0." The list contains 155 elements, consisting of 37 1s and 118 0s.
mu: 0.37374
sigma: 0.48626
mu0: 0
Ha: mu != mu0
From this, we get:
Z = 7.64743
P(Z) = 2.0685x10-14
This means that the probability of this event happening by chance alone is infinitesimally small; we do not have enough evidence to reject the alternate hypothesis (Ha). Statistically speaking, this must then, therefore, be due to some outside influence, the most likely culprit being targeted transphobia. Oh, and the great thing about this? Literally anyone can check my work. Go ahead, if I cocked up something, let me know.
Fucking math. It works, bitches.
Thank you Ravy. While I'm definitely a numbers person, certain elements of statistics escape me. You actually addressed the issue with hard numbers and facts in such a way that should put the debate to rest. Thank you for taking the time, to run the numbers, and explain a complex formula to us in a way that is easily understood.
Actually, he's saying that the transphobia and general conservatism are just overblown, maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan. (Despite being 1/4 of the comments at Gog.)
I'm not saying this to defend him but because if I don't, he'll just whine about being misunderstood and this thread will spin even more futilely on its ass.
Because transphobia and conservativism are inherently related. Guess that makes TERFs conservatives.
Actually, he's saying that the transphobia and general conservatism are just overblown, maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan. (Despite being 1/4 of the comments at Gog.)
I'm not saying this to defend him but because if I don't, he'll just whine about being misunderstood and this thread will spin even more futilely on its ass.
Because transphobia and conservativism are inherently related. Guess that makes TERFs conservatives.
Some probably are. What's your point?
Also, will you please respond to RavynousHunter's statistical data?
You know guys I think we're missing something here. Despite all evidence to the contrary, UP is insisting that transphobia doesn't actually exist or if it does, it's a very vocal minority. Not elected officials passing laws that restrict where people can go to the bathroom no. Just a vocal and loud minority that has no power or influence on anything that makes their case in comments sections all over the world.I think you're missing what is actually going on here. It wouldn't take much to get UP to admit that transphobia is a powerful and pervasive force in the world today that is undermining that is undermining people's rights with hate crimes and legislation. I'm also certain that he would agree that it is a wrong that should be righted. The thing is he doesn't really give a flying fuck about any of it.
Ironbite-or did we all miss that?
You know guys I think we're missing something here. Despite all evidence to the contrary, UP is insisting that transphobia doesn't actually exist or if it does, it's a very vocal minority. Not elected officials passing laws that restrict where people can go to the bathroom no. Just a vocal and loud minority that has no power or influence on anything that makes their case in comments sections all over the world.
Ironbite-or did we all miss that?
You know what? Fine. According to my observations, it's not just transphobia that's a notable pattern in the criticisms. It's transphobia and general "anti-SJW" social conservatism. (And, in the spirit of accuracy, also the game's other qualities. But also prominently the social conservatism.)
Also, what was that about consumers being the devil for letting a game's social context influence their rating? Or does that only apply when the commenters aren't right-wing enough for you?
You actually addressed the issue with hard numbers and facts in such a way that should put the debate to rest.Hah. Good joke.
You actually addressed the issue with hard numbers and facts in such a way that should put the debate to rest.Hah. Good joke.
All UP is interested in is how the world sees his particular clique and making sure its image is as favorable as possible. The problem is his clique doesn't have a very good image because, to be blunt, a significant chunk of them aren't very good people.
The transphobia and social conservatism are prominent and pervasive problems in the critique. However, a lot of people seem to think that the game is, independently of this, legitimately buggy and poorly designed, so that's also a notable element of the backlash. But the transphobia and social conservatism are arguably more warranting of discourse than the bugginess, because bugs don't perpetuate belief systems that oppress, marginalize, dehumanize and kill real people in the real world.
To our community,
Dungeons & Dragons stands by the stories our partners tell and we fully support the choices Beamdog has made in developing Siege of Dragonspear. Inclusivity is a core value of Wizards of the Coast and we believe that all people, regardless of ethnicity, background, gender identity or sexuality, should be free to play our games without fear of harassment or attacks. In July of 2014 we released the D&D Player’s Handbook for the fifth edition and included the following section as an example of our core values.
Sincerely,
Nathan Stewart
Director of Dungeons & Dragons
It wasn't that they included a transgender person that has everyone so mad, it's because the transgender has no point to the story. It could be in the story or not. Just saying hey I'm transgender look at me! Yeah no thanks. That is trying to shove it down people's throats. I don't think most transgender people walk up and introduce themselves as a trans. That's stupid. I don't walk up to people as introduce myself as straight. I have my own personal views on the topic that I try not to involve in my hobby. I don't dislike anyone for the color of their skin or their sexual orientation. I let the person speak for themselves, I might not agree with their lifestyle choices but that their business, let's just play D&D and have fun!
The fact that you even had - or chose - to include something like this in your PHB proves that you're trying to force a viewpoint on a community that really doesn't need it to be addressed. I'm pretty sure nobody is preventing anybody from playing D&D however they want, so stating that D&D is inlcusive is entirely unneccessary and inapropriate. Leave real world politics and social issues out of it, and just let people play the game however they want.
Uh-huh...see, I could care less that it involves a transgender character. Anyone who's watched Ranma 1/2 or Birdy the Mighty wouldn't think much of that. It's that it was poorly done, and even then, you can work through that. Call me back if there's something relevant.
Otherwise, this is a waste of time..
Mizhena: I am Mizhena, faithful of Tempus. Praise be to the Lord of Battles!
Maivyn Auvrea: Mizhena? That’s an unusual name. I don’t think I’ve heard it before.
Mizhena: I created the name myself several years ago. My birth name proved unsuitable.
Maivyn Auvrea: What was wrong with your old name?
Mizhena: When I was born, my parents thought me a boy and raised me as such. In time, we all came to understand I was truly a woman. I created my new name from syllables of different languages. All have special meaning to me; it is the truest reflection of who I am.
Maivyn Auvrea: I have to be going now.
Mizhena: Fight well, friend!
Mizhena: I am Mizhena, faithful SJW lobbyist and sex slave of Tempus. Praise be to the Lord of LGBT Battles!
Maivyn Auvrea: Mizhena? That’s an unusual name. I don’t think I’ve heard it before. Sounds really ghey.
Mizhena: I created the name myself several years ago. Now it's my street name when I'm working this kiosk. My birth name proved unsuitable.
Maivyn Auvrea: What was wrong with your old name?
Mizhena: When I was born, my parents thought me a boy and raised me as such. In time, we all came to understand I was truly a woman. I created my new name from syllables of different languages. All have special meaning to me; it is the truest reflection of who I am. Otherwise, how could I snare you and hamfist it down your throat if I went by George?
Maivyn Auvrea: I have to be going now.
Mizhena: WAIT! I have to finish reading you the Agenda! It's in my union contract!...Oh, well. He got away....This Time (heh heh). Fight well, friend!