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Offline Vypernight

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Re: New plan by Occupy Wall St.
« Reply #15 on: November 13, 2012, 05:35:55 am »
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Re: New plan by Occupy Wall St.
« Reply #16 on: November 13, 2012, 09:55:31 am »
Quote from: Lt. Fred on November 13, 2012, 02:51:08 am
I think it's a nice gesture, and a good PR stunt- but any private organisation or charity's objective should be to leverage state power to achieve their objective, since they will never be able to come close to doing so themselves. Want cancer research? Don't finance 10 million dollars of cancer research, throw 10 million dollars in bribes to the Federal Government in order that it will fund 3 billion dollars of cancer research.

It's a wonderful gesture. And a hell of a PR move. If they are really trying to erase American's debt, you're right that this isn't the most efficient way to go about doing it. However if they are trying to change their image, that's a powerful step in the right direction. And because it's not doing the most good, that's still not a reason to discount the partial good it is doing.
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Re: New plan by Occupy Wall St.
« Reply #17 on: November 13, 2012, 05:18:15 pm »
I don't see why OWS should have to change their image, since they never did anything wrong- but, yes, as a PR move it's a good one.
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Re: New plan by Occupy Wall St.
« Reply #18 on: November 13, 2012, 06:32:16 pm »
It's not that they did anything wrong, per se, but that they have an image of do-nothings.
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Re: New plan by Occupy Wall St.
« Reply #19 on: November 13, 2012, 09:05:07 pm »
Quote from: Lt. Fred on November 13, 2012, 05:18:15 pm
I don't see why OWS should have to change their image, since they never did anything wrong- but, yes, as a PR move it's a good one.

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Re: New plan by Occupy Wall St.
« Reply #20 on: November 14, 2012, 12:22:04 am »
Mildly inconveniences some people in return for potential major change. If people can't understand cost/benefit...
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Re: New plan by Occupy Wall St.
« Reply #21 on: November 14, 2012, 01:31:28 am »
OWS' public image was already good, amongst many liberal types who were likely on their side to begin with.  With this, they broaden their base and gain support, thus improving their image in the eyes of the people that they want to reach: those that aren't in the choir.

This is an, admittedly very good, effort to get those who are on the fence off it, and over to their side.  Yeah, it'll cost a lot of money, but it'll be well-spent when their ideals gain broader support.

Also, I think what Rookie's trying to say is that a lot of people see liberal protestors as lazy college kids who just want to mooch off the government and smoke dope whilst playing acoustic instruments in a public park like a buncha tools.
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Re: New plan by Occupy Wall St.
« Reply #22 on: November 14, 2012, 07:16:37 am »
Quote from: Lt. Fred on November 13, 2012, 05:18:15 pm
I don't see why OWS should have to change their image, since they never did anything wrong- but, yes, as a PR move it's a good one.

Doesn't really strike me as a change of image at all, simply a change of strategy. Having someone like Alexis Golstein (featured in the above video report) on their side who has seen the battle from both sides of the fence is a good way to answer the critics who say that they don't understand how the world works.
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Re: New plan by Occupy Wall St.
« Reply #23 on: November 14, 2012, 07:18:48 am »
Quote from: Lt. Fred on November 14, 2012, 12:22:04 am
Mildly inconveniences some people in return for potential major change. If people can't understand cost/benefit...
In all fairness, there's far more potential for protests to turn into riots (and lots of lovely property damage) than to cause major change.
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Re: New plan by Occupy Wall St.
« Reply #24 on: November 14, 2012, 09:05:22 am »
Quote from: Lt. Fred on November 14, 2012, 12:22:04 am
Mildly inconveniences some people in return for potential major change. If people can't understand cost/benefit...

I had typed out a nice fairly longish post about how protesting doesn't really accomplish anything. I deleted it because that's not quite right. Aside from the minor inconveniences you mentioned, protesting is a attention getting first step in whatever cause you're taking up. As far as what was wrong with OWS' image, RH did a pretty good job summarizing it. Maybe not quite lazy kids who just want to smoke dope and show off mad bongo skills. But certainly kids who didn't quite get how the world works.

Personally, I always felt they were justified in their frustration, but were going about it the wrong way. Wall Street I always saw as a symptom rather than the disease. Wall Street symbolizes capitalist businesses. If money is the means, end, and justification, Wall Street is where you want to be. But they're going as far as Washington will let them. I always thought instead of Wall Street, they should be occupying Pennsylvania Ave. and the intersection of E. Capitol St. and 1st St.
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Re: New plan by Occupy Wall St.
« Reply #25 on: November 14, 2012, 12:55:07 pm »
Quote from: Fpqxz on November 12, 2012, 09:20:43 pm
Speaking as a former collections paralegal...this idea is pure fucking brilliance.

And it's totally legal, too.

Is there also an easy way for OWS to annotate or remove the charge offs from the relieved debtor's FICO/3X credit bureau ratings? Most of the zombie debt collectors don't do anything like that; can't be bothered to, even though it's required.
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Re: New plan by Occupy Wall St.
« Reply #26 on: November 14, 2012, 05:03:35 pm »
Here's an issue that hasn't been brought up yet:
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQZFQd_Wsp0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQZFQd_Wsp0</a>

TL;DW, Debts that have been paid off count as taxable income, meaning that $$ needs to be paid to the gov't somehow. Makes no sense to me, but there it is.

ETA: And CNN found it. Or, at least, one of their bloggers did. Probably best to avoid the comments.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/14/opinion/rushkoff-occupy-debt/index.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fcnn_topstories+%28RSS%3A+Top+Stories%29
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