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Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Reply #540 on: June 04, 2016, 02:33:53 am »
Yes, because it's not like the Iroquois built a functioning democracy centuries before the Europeans, or that Cahokia at it's height was bigger than contemporary London or Paris...
Cahokia had around 40 000 at the very most at its peak. That's a drop in the bucket compared to modern London or Paris.
Gibbon said "contemporary" not modern, still wrong though. In 1400 when Cahokia reached its highest population during 13th century it was probably only slightly smaller than London at the same time but Paris had over 200k people already.  ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_urban_community_sizes )
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« Reply #541 on: June 04, 2016, 02:35:57 am »
Yes, because it's not like the Iroquois built a functioning democracy centuries before the Europeans, or that Cahokia at it's height was bigger than contemporary London or Paris...
Cahokia had around 40 000 at the very most at its peak. That's a drop in the bucket compared to modern London or Paris.
Gibbon said "contemporary" not modern, still wrong though. In 1400 when Cahokia reached its highest population during 13th century it was probably only slightly smaller than London at the same time but Paris had over 200k people already.  ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_urban_community_sizes )
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Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Reply #542 on: June 04, 2016, 02:48:35 am »
Dang, I made some typos on my post as well. Anyway it looks nearly understandable so I suppose that is close enough.
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Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Reply #543 on: June 04, 2016, 10:51:57 am »
"Objectively speaking, which was after all her thing, native Americans don't have any right to live somewhere if a superior culture comes along and wipes them out - survival of the fittest"

-some asshole, defending Ayn Rand.

"In a civilized society, force may be used only in retaliation and only against those who initiate its use"

-Ayn fucking Rand

Wiping out another society because you dislike them: not, actually, a retaliatory use of force.
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Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Reply #544 on: June 06, 2016, 01:32:20 am »
Doesn't appear to agree with this report (which is admittedly a bit old):

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/aic.pdf

Then again at a murder rate of 20% I would be amazed that a community could continue to exist at all.

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Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Reply #545 on: June 06, 2016, 01:34:11 am »
20% of what? All deaths? Or do they kill 20% of their population daily?
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Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Reply #546 on: June 06, 2016, 01:37:55 am »
20% of what? All deaths? Or do they kill 20% of their population daily?
He's talking about pre-contact deaths.

I have no clue where he got those stats, as he refuses to provide any sources.

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Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Reply #547 on: June 06, 2016, 01:53:42 am »
There are plenty of anthropologists that think many hunter gatherer and small scale farming societies can have very high rates of violent deaths from warfare, studies of groups in South America, New Guinea, Australia and Alaska do point towards males have 1 in 4 to 1 in 5 odds of being killed in war.  My sources are the books War Before Civilization by Lawrence Keeley, Better Angels of our Nature by Stephen Pinker and War by Gwynne Dyer.

However there are also many anthropologists who disagree and argue that levels of warfare are much lower.

Only being a layman I've been left with the impression that "primitive" societies seem to have wildly varying levels of violence, just like "modern" ones, and we should be skeptical about making sweeping generalizations about prehistory.

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Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Reply #548 on: June 06, 2016, 02:08:05 am »
Huh, I thought small tribal societies had very low death rate from war and murder, simply because tribes of only a few hundred people each can't afford to piss away their people.

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« Reply #549 on: June 06, 2016, 02:26:17 am »
Their food supply can be pretty weak and unpredictable, so it can be very easy for even a small group to have more people then their territory can support, meaning they have to take someone else's and be constantly on guard from potentially hungry outsiders.  The general rule of thumb is that hunter-gatherers living in extremely marginal resource poor environments like the high arctic have low levels of warfare (since populations are tiny and you will rarely interact with outsiders) and those living in rich environments with more then enough have high levels of warfare (since it's actually possible to overrun your resource base and everywhere else already has people in it).

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Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Reply #550 on: June 10, 2016, 05:28:59 pm »
20% of what? All deaths? Or do they kill 20% of their population daily?
He's talking about pre-contact deaths.

I have no clue where he got those stats, as he refuses to provide any sources.

I recall an article in New Scientist which estimated the death toll from violence before the advent of medieval nation states (and in the period when the Mongols really figured out this cavalry thing and no one could stop them) at 20%.
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Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Reply #551 on: June 11, 2016, 11:58:26 am »
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Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Reply #552 on: June 11, 2016, 01:56:44 pm »
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« Reply #553 on: June 11, 2016, 04:25:36 pm »
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Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Reply #554 on: June 12, 2016, 05:04:22 pm »


I'm pretty sure the shooter's virulent homophobia was a bigger factor than Counterstrike.